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Super Best Friends Thread 17: I don't have Bloodborne or Monster Hunter... Uhh...

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skLaFarebear said:
Same here. Nocturne and DDS 1 are better, but IV is still great.



No. Its not EO, and its not trying to be EO.

GOD DAMN STEPH
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I was using EO as more of an example. Most regular RPGs aren't action based. FFX entire system is pretty much about planning ahead and recognizing foes and bosses patterns. The entire Sphere Grid is this, and a lot of late game bosses only do attacks on X amount of turns.

Compare this ti SMTIV where enemies seem to attack and do things randomly and the key is to take them out before they out damage you.

SMTIV might just be hard to swallow for most RPG players. Even SMTIII was more of a regular RPG.
 
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360pages said:
I was using EO as more of an example. Most regular RPGs aren't action based. FFX entire system is pretty much about planning ahead and recognizing foes and bosses patterns. The entire Sphere Grid is this, and a lot of late game bosses only do attacks on X amount of turns.

Compare this ti SMTIV where enemies seem to attack and do things randomly and the key is to take them out before they out damage you.

SMTIV might just be hard to swallow for most RPG players. Even SMTIII was more of a regular RPG.
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SMT 4 is the bloodborne of shin megoomi tensei
 
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360pages said:
I was using EO as more of an example. Most regular RPGs aren't action based. FFX entire system is pretty much about planning ahead and recognizing foes and bosses patterns. The entire Sphere Grid is this, and a lot of late game bosses only do attacks on X amount of turns.

Compare this ti SMTIV where enemies seem to attack and do things randomly and the key is to take them out before they out damage you.

SMTIV might just be hard to swallow for most RPG players. Even SMTIII was more of a regular RPG.
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SMTIV barely puts a spin on anything that Nocturne didn't already. I was a little disappointed it was so safe. The biggest differences are in what the stats of your demons are and how you build your protagonist.

You often bring up the lack of a defense stat, but that change doesn't really hurt the game. Defense/Health/MP is based on the type of demon you have rather than a stat. It's just different.
 
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RecursiveFault said:
SMTIV barely puts a spin on anything that Nocturne didn't already. I was a little disappointed it was so safe. The biggest differences are in what the stats of your demons are and how you build your protagonist.

You often bring up the lack of a defense stat, but that change doesn't really hurt the game. Defense/Health/MP is based on the type of demon you have rather than a stat. It's just different.
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SMT4 was more of a fanservice style throwback to SMT1 and 2 with its reoccuring characters and concepts. We probably would've gotten more out of it if we had played those games first.

I'm pretty much in the same place with Rasen and Katsu where its a great game, but it has its flaws.
 
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skLaFarebear said:
SMT4 was more of a fanservice style throwback to SMT1 and 2 with its reoccuring characters and concepts. We probably would've gotten more out of it if we had played those games first.
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I touched SMT1 for like 4 hours, and just that tiny bit of time shows what a fucking HUGE sendoff it is to those games. Just the way NPCs are displayed in rooms is a send up.
 
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skLaFarebear said:
SMT4 was more of a fanservice style throwback to SMT1 and 2 with its reoccuring characters and concepts. We probably would've gotten more out of it if we had played those games first.
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It's a shame they didn't give the game a more interesting story for everyone, maybe I would have cared about the game then.
 
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skLaFarebear said:
SMT4 was more of a fanservice style throwback to SMT1 and 2 with its reoccuring characters and concepts. We probably would've gotten more out of it if we had played those games first.
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I should really hurry up with those games... I'm like 2 hours in SMT1. People are buzzing over SMTIV everywhere.

I'd get around to SMTIV soon hopefully.
 
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RecursiveFault said:
SMTIV barely puts a spin on anything that Nocturne didn't already. I was a little disappointed it was so safe. The biggest differences are in what the stats of your demons are and how you build your protagonist.

You often bring up the lack of a defense stat, but that change doesn't really hurt the game. Defense/Health/MP is based on the type of demon you have rather than a stat. It's just different.
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No, the lack of Defense means planning things out becomes far less important. At most the most complicated thing you do is buff twice and debuff the enemy twice. Not saying this is a bad thing, the game is more moment to moment. But most of the fights lack a large identity compared to most RPG bosses.

Only a handful have a gimmick and even that gimmick can usually be ignored. Most endgame bosses just nuke you with almighty element spells.

Everything in SMTIV feels like something you kill without anything to link or identify with it. You are simply killing things that have similar move sets to your thing
 
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You know what, i'm going to try switching weapons for
The Shadows of Yharnam
. I've been using the saw cleaver, but now i'm going to use
Ludwig's holy blade
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360pages said:
No, the lack of Defense means planning things out becomes far less important. At most the most complicated thing you do is buff twice and debuff the enemy twice. Not saying this is a bad thing, the game is more moment to moment. But most of the fights lack a large identity compared to most RPG bosses.

Only a handful have a gimmick and even that gimmick can usually be ignored. Most endgame bosses just nuke you with almighty element spells.

Everything in SMTIV feels like something you kill without anything to link or identify with it. You are simply killing things that have similar move sets to your thing
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There's less strategy in team building and the bosses are more samey than Nocturne. Yep. Valid. I agree.

Still great game.
 
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AngryCanadian said:
It's a shame they didn't give the game a more interesting story for everyone, maybe I would have cared about the game then.
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Like Dark Souls, Mainline SMT stories have never really been for the people that didn't want to get neck deep into its lore. But the gameplay has always been really good to make up for that.

If you want to play all the games, read all the demon descriptions, do all the side stuff, talk to NPCs, etc. then there's a lot to get out of it, but if you don't then that's ok because the gameplay is good enough to keep you going through it.
 
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