That doesn't sound fun at all.
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Super Best Friends Thread 7: FRIENDER65
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That doesn't sound fun at all.
Stylishly laming it like woolie! Look at those sick magic projectiles!
Aaron-Lagann
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Shoot off a soul spear, roll out of the way, taunt, roll, homing soul mass, roll, taunt, soul spear. Most bosses are dead after that stylish performance. Friend's didn't believe me, but I beat most bosses while taunting in front of them and they changed their minds.
So easy = fun, well you know, Liam and Woolie agree as anything tough makes them be like "THAT IS BULLSHIT" and then they hate it.
Which, is just hilarious.
VidulaSaix
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I went with a Magic build as my second character in DS1 and it just made the game a total joke. I'd never suggest someone use magic as their first play through on a Souls game.
That still sounds awful. I mean that would be more fun with a Dex or Str build
*cough* woolie *cough* also he's resorted to laming it out with a crossbow. That crossbow has been a playthrough ruiner, it made him even more defensive than he already was.
If people like magic characters in general there's obviously nothing wrong with playing that way, but you have to accept it is what it is.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
If they do it their first time it won't be OP, grasping the systems, what points to put where , where you get new spells and what equipment to use require knowledge of the game and if you're not using a guide it makes magic pretty much useless after a certain point.
Phantasmal Repose
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It's fiiiiine. Bloodborne doesn't even have Magic. Miyazaki's going to make everyone git gud.
Different strokes, but that doesn't really sound stylish to me. Adding taunts doesn't automatically make it stylish.
Homing soul mass is a spell that is the antithesis of stylish for me.
If you swapped up close and risky spells/pyromancies on the fly, then I'd consider it, but I'd still have to see it.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
I'll do an LP and show you all the wonders of magic one day, when my friend beats it and stops putting the whole thing off for that reason. You'll all see that magic is the one true way to play souls.
The taunts themselves aren't the stylish part, the fact that you have time to do taunts non-stop is what shows it's the stylish way.
Well in DS1 soul arrow allowed you to breeze through the beginning of the game. By the time you get to the tough stuff you've figured out what you need to know
jack_package_200
Banned
FUCKING CASUAL
VidulaSaix
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It did make some parts boring to watch, but at the same time it saved us a lot of time on watching him get wrecked by something over and over and over. I know I would have been pissed had they put out a 30 minute video of him just dying over and over to the same enemy.
Salt is awesome, but only in small doses before it just becomes irritating to see.
Nothing wrong with it but I just don't think that;s how Souls games are meant to be played. Similarly, I don't think shields were meant to be used the way most people used them either. That's why both of these things are absent from Bloodborne.
It can be OP depending on how quick that player is at picking up how to gimp the game by abusing it. It puts them into a comfort zone that develops bad habits as well. Woolie's a prime example of it.
But you're putting in self-restricting limitations that aren't encouraged by the game design. Magic is a crutch is the Souls games by design.
Someone with a melee build could do what you did with taunts, and it would take more skill and be more stylish.
Magic is too OP to be fun, and I rolled a pure mage.
Melee is tons of fun. Maces are the only way.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
Magic is the only way to be elegantly smooth. STR and DEX builds just don't have the same flow of style as magic.
Elegantly smooth? I don't play the souls games to be elegantly smooth, I play to kill demons and monsters with a badass sword.
If you want style play DMC or another character action game but DS is about slower paced melee combat.
My point is though, if regular Melee was the most easy and OP way to play Dark Souls games instead of general magic. I would play that way regardless, but I wouldn't go around defending it just to justify my choice in playing that way, I don't care, I just want to play the character I want to play.
If Aaron wants to be a caster, that's his choice, but don't try to make excuses for it, it is what it is.
That's all.
I think we really do have different definitions of stylish.
The fact that you have more time to taunt means that you can do so fairly effortlessly without risk. I really don't think you can have style unless you have risk or impressive manual dexterity/reaction/prediction. Unless you consider God of War stylish.
Right. There's nothing wrong with magic use. It's simply inherently lame (FGC definition). Which is perfectly fine.
My first souls game was DS2, and I started as a mage, but I gave myself a sword and became a lightweight mage knight.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
Exactly, I'm making methodical fights into fast takedowns, which wasn't what was intended by the game, which in my eyes is way more stylish.
Velka's Rapier is my weapon, parries for days with great damage from INT.
I agree, it also didn't help woolie wasn't getting enough sleep during some playthroughs and the long breaks in between are killing his improvements. It made him go back to making the same mistakes and getting frustrated. After getting frustrated then he becomes super careless, which is what darksouls 2 is all about.
I agree, but at the same time if he doesn't figure it out what he's doing wrong, then he'll keep doing the same mistake. Like overheads and always getting hit by them.
ArclightBorealis
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All this just reminds me how far the Souls series has to go to reach the same level of balance across multiple playstyles that Armored Core has achieved.
Armored Core, still From's best series.
Armored Core, still From's best series.
I never successfully parried anyone in PVP in DS1, lag never allowed it, I was really good with it in PVE and I loved it.
I find Dark Souls combat to be really right up my ally, but the constant delay and lag makes it much harder for me than it really needs to be, but I make do.
YesManKablam
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Ahhh, new thread.
Well, not really new, but new to me goddammit.
Anything happening around these parts.
Well, not really new, but new to me goddammit.
Anything happening around these parts.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
Souls arguments that we haven't had in a couple OTs.
At that point, you're playing a hybrid build. Parries are inherently stylish if incorporated into your close range magic usage (to me, this is really the only way to have a stylish magic build).
Sitting back and taunting isn't.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
I parry every small enemy I can on the way to the boss, then I stand next to them and taunt while killing with spells.
Never heard of it, whats it about?
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
Mech battles. It's awesome but like every From game is hard as fuck to get into, especially PVP, which at this point is the primary focus of the games.
misses bull
Banned
We got into some feels territory
I can imagine someone running to the ends of the arena to start taunting; "Man I's so stylish" they say to themselves as they are completely removed from danger.
A lot, like 3.6k worth of posts. About half of it actually had some importance about people in the thread, and just general news/topics.
ArclightBorealis
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The best fucking mecha series in video games and From's longest running franchise. The older games in particular kick tons of ass.
I did so much PVP in DS1, The forest was my playground.
Getting ganked by three people at once and successfully trolling them around the trees and killing the world player and then getting instantly indicted always gave me the biggest boner.
The difference is that it was intended. Because magic is supposed to make things easier for people with difficulty fighting up close.
Wouldn't you then say that the style is based around your build and your own method of playstyle rather than any inherent stylish value in magic? Because you could do all of these things without magic.
I can make a game of Snake look stylish by cutting corners and taking high risks. That doesn't mean that there's inherent value in it.
Ultimate_Trainer
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Aaron-Lagann
Banned
That's about what a Magic build looks like if play correctly, except instead of grabbing the enemies attack you just do your own.
Which is half the reason that the gif is so stylish
As a youngin, older games are much harder to get into.
You say "correctly", but it's really not the intended way to play a Magic build at all. I understand that you're trying to interesting and creative ways of incorporating magic, but nothing about what you're saying is efficient for a magic build or inherent to a magic build. You would get the exact same results by running away and casting those spells. Your visual reward is not something that is a part of using magic.
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