RecursiveFault
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I really don't wanna drag this discussion in here.
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Super Best Friends Thread 8: "You know, we really are the Super Best Friends Play"
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People don't like change. That's why they like war, because war never changes.
It's finnneee.. Most people are pretty open and accepting.
Because we can't allow our iconic characters to be women for reasons...
PfantzyPantz
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I would like a female Link eventually, but not with stupid thigh high boots or any kawaii design like that.
And Linkel is a horrible name. Makes me think Link and Tingle had a daughter.
jack_package_200
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DXLelouch153
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unless its Metal Gear war
misses bull
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I've been on the internet for too long to know that this is a lie
Glitchesarecool
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Like that's the official concept art for Hyrule Warriors. There's nothing sexually offensive about it, so people were just buttmad over a gender swap.
The internet is delicious.
The internet is delicious.
DXLelouch153
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dont worry after Ciri becomes the main character for the Witcher series after 3, everyone else will follow
GlassEmpires
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I don't want a female Link. I'd play the hell out of a Zelda-esque game with a female lead, and I would if I hadn't mucked up Ittle Dew's controls.
I am so onboard with a male Link teaming up with a female Zelda that that's the last part of the formula I want changed. I'd take a Lady Ganon over female Link.
I am so onboard with a male Link teaming up with a female Zelda that that's the last part of the formula I want changed. I'd take a Lady Ganon over female Link.
Then war changes all the time.
Shhhh... Some places are more accepting than others.. for really specific things..
To be fair, most people don't want a girly female protagonist (Lets not even start thinking about how sexist that is) So you're female either has to be super hardcore no smiling ever! Or a side character.
That is why I somewhat enjoy the Atelier games somewhat, if the character enjoys or like cute things than their design should match that.
That is why I somewhat enjoy the Atelier games somewhat, if the character enjoys or like cute things than their design should match that.
Glitchesarecool
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Why does links gender matter? It's he has a character to begin with. They're even getting rid of the classic tunic
GlassEmpires
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I also just got reminded that Link ate apples in a Link to the Past
what about Bayonetta or that girl from Lolipop Chainsaw?
They are the exception, but even then considering the recent topics on the gaming side it more confirms my point at least here in the USA.
RecursiveFault
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I would love more female protagonists in general, and especially cutesy girly ones. I love that stuff. If the game had no fanservice to boot it'd be a great thing to show people.
jack_package_200
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Nothing wrong with that
Seems like the USA just can't write a fun Female lead character for shit
Is that such a big problem to just switch the formula up?
Nothing wrong at all..
jack_package_200
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I saw her first and called dibs
RecursiveFault
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Sigh. I don't wanna sound like I'm being a stick in the mud, but it just feel like changing Link into a girl undermines the very little characterization the guy has. Even if he's not a character, just swapping genders for no reason has me asking "why".
It just feels weird next to all the other Zelda canon. Maybe I'm being too sensitive. Obviously the only reason Link is male is because back when Zelda first began, young males were the primary audience, so it was to give them a proxy character.
It just feels weird next to all the other Zelda canon. Maybe I'm being too sensitive. Obviously the only reason Link is male is because back when Zelda first began, young males were the primary audience, so it was to give them a proxy character.
It's mainly that marketing would tell you it wouldn't sell for shit. There's some evidence that female leads hurt sales, which I'm sure they see as gospel. They had a hard time getting Ellie on the box of TLOU.
Well, have you played the Aterlier games? Those have girl protagonists and some of them are adorable. Atelier Ayesha is supposed to be super sweet and great.
Sharing is caring!
What if it's like Link's sister or something. Just a girl that is similar to Link?
GlassEmpires
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It's not, I just prefer a male Link to a female one.
RecursiveFault
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Yup, though that gameplay isn't... Yeah. Lollipop chainsaw is another good one, but I want more of it.
Elf and A Christmas Story
misses bull
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It's because video game writing in general is garbage.
PfantzyPantz
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Or that usually 'girly females' are really annoying in Japanese games, unless you like kawaii moe stuff. And usually when you don't have the super hardcore female, they end up being like Other M Samus where their character development is just being a crying waifu for the man to protect.
Easy example being Hyrule Warriors itself. Lana is infuriating, Impa is not.
SS Princess Zelda is great, but she isn't a protagonist.
It's not an audience problem, it's the writers. JP writers make the 'girly females' otaku bait and American writers don't like female protagonists in general (or aren't allowed to because they don't make as much money apparently).
Reminds me of when Bioshock infinite's boxart removed Elizabeth from the cover because focus testing said that having the gun toting male lead on the cover was more important.
Gremlins, Die hard , Die hard 2, Die hard 3(not Christmas but you can't watch 1 and 2 without 3), Lethal Weapon 1 to 3, Jingle All the way, Rocky 1 to 4 and maybe Balboa, national lampoon's christmas vacation
Home Alone, in fact I just watched it. Also Die Hard.
PfantzyPantz
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Die Hard is the quintessential Christmas move.
Ok. But would you mind if a girl similar to link existed?
I've never played it, but it's not good?
GlassEmpires
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Then it shouldn't be named the Legend of Zelda. Link may have been the player, but the importance of his journey has revolved around Zelda. Like Lancelot to King Author.
Blazing Saddles if I'm spending it with my Mom's side of the family
RecursiveFault
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That's my problem with Juliet. The fanservice damages the carefree fun attitude she has.
Yeah! That was the other example I was forgetting. Since games are such a huge financial risk for devs, they tend to not be able to go against things like that.
Making Link female doesn't really do anything, though. It's just making him female for the sake of making him female, because Link has no characterization of his own anyway. People would still find something to bitch about.
Just make a game with Zelda as a lead that isn't a 2D platformer where she uses exaggerated emotions to defeat enemies like a certain other Nintendo character and it's fine.
Just make a game with Zelda as a lead that isn't a 2D platformer where she uses exaggerated emotions to defeat enemies like a certain other Nintendo character and it's fine.
GlassEmpires
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Not at all.
The Atelier games are like Disgaea in that the item creation allows for some game-breaking stuff
Ultimate_Trainer
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I'll try to watch Tokyo Godfathers every year ever since I first saw it last year.
cdstephens
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Wonder why that is, because it seems like every other aspect of the video game industry requires people who are incredibly solid on their work.
misses bull
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It's probably because its way easier to find good programmers and coders rather then find good story writers that can write a good game script.
I mean, he says what everyone had already guessed was the reason. Scheduling.
It's not like The Legend of Zelda games have an iron clad lore. What you call a Zelda game where you play as Zelda if not The Legend of Zelda?
But you wouldn't like a game based around it?
As long it's only PvE it's fiinneee..
Yes, I don't see the issue with that. It wouldn't affect the plot or gameplay in any way. I'm not sure about playing as Zelda though because outside some incarnations she's not really a fighter. A Tetra game on the other hand...
RecursiveFault
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Also it all has to get run through a huge committee. Hollywood-style committee writing is horrid. You lose any sense of cohesion.
cdstephens
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Dawn of War 2 Retribution had a female Imperial inquisitor by the name of Adrastia on the cover of the box. She looked cool
EDIT: Adrastia
For those who don't know, DoW 2, Chaos Rising, and Retribution are all on sale for 20 bucks total.
Edit: Whoops it expired, my bad.
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