Fimbulvetr
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Regulus Tera said:
Missing the greatest action game of this generation perhaps.
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Missing the greatest action game of this generation perhaps.
Haunted
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Himuro said:I beat World 4 and the game is still mostly just "okay", Supermassive Galaxy aside
edit: Okay, add Space Storm Galaxy to that list. Space Storm Galaxy was the first Galaxy 1 quality level in this game. No bullshit or lame power ups or padded filler or lame gimmicks. Just great level design. More of that please.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22822456&postcount=8571 Slowly getting there... again.Himuro said:
Haunted
Member
Nah.AniHawk said:
It doesn't even have a proper hub world to explore.
I admit that when you compare them on a purely technical and mechanical level, SMG2 probably is the better game. The tighter level design, wider variety among the stars and the added amount of actual new stars are enough to put it over the top - on paper.
But there are elements which are inferior to SMG. The recycled/remade music, the hub world gone in favour of a menu-based system, too many gliding levels... it (obviously) doesn't have the same freshness. On the whole, it just didn't blow me away on the level the first Galaxy did, which is why I would put it below SMG if pressed for a personal ranking based on feeling.
Still one of the best games of this generation, no doubt.
Hot Coldman
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Having a hub world instead of a world map is only a positive if the hub world is actually interesting. SMG didn't have an interesting hub world, so SMG2 wins in that argument.
Davey Cakes
Member
SMG's hub world is pretty much a glorified level select screen. It's uninteresting compared to past hub worlds in Mario games, and therefore is nothing more than a time waster. SMG2 cuts this "fat" and is thus superior in regard to level selection.
Peach's Castle/Delphino-like hubs > level select screens > Galaxy 1-like hubs.
Peach's Castle/Delphino-like hubs > level select screens > Galaxy 1-like hubs.
So I did go ahead and collected all the stars. It wasn't really tedious at all, since this is the sort of game you can easily play for a few minutes at a time. Collecting the green stars now, they're pretty awesome I must say.
edit: Sweet, I found a way to get infinite 1ups. Not that they're of much use in this game, but still a nice easter egg.
edit: Sweet, I found a way to get infinite 1ups.
Not that they're of much use in this game, but still a nice easter egg.
Jump on the Giant koopas in Supermassive
So I got this game as a present from friends and completed world 1 so far. It's SMG all right, but I share some of Shiggy's complaints already. The cloud suit, while a good idea (cute, to boot), isn't very interesting in practice at the moment. I'll have to see if it gets better later in the game. The levels in world 1 are largely unsurprising, and I still don't like the 2D sections (although they feel somewhat better than in 1). Yoshi's tongue is kinda cool though, and any powerup that allows your character to move faster than he normally would is good in my book.
and completed world 1 so far. It's SMG all right, but I share some of Shiggy's complaints already. The cloud suit, while a good idea (cute, to boot), isn't very interesting in practice at the moment. I'll have to see if it gets better later in the game. The levels in world 1 are largely unsurprising, and I still don't like the 2D sections (although they feel somewhat better than in 1). Yoshi's tongue is kinda cool though, and any powerup that allows your character to move faster than he normally would is good in my book.
Kilrogg said:So I got this game as a present from friends
You people all judge everything too soon. The cloud suit doesn't seem like anything special in the first one or two worlds, but later you'll see it having some of the best uses for a power-up in any Mario game. Especially that one boss fight later on, for people who know what I'm talking about.
Give the game some time damn it.
Not everything that is good makes itself obvious instantly.
Crash Station
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Himuro said:
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
You're in for a treat. What's amazing about S&P2 is that you can play it directly after SMG2 (I did) and it holds up just as well as if you hadn't. I feel like it's every bit as good at what it does, which speaks volumes about it, although the two games offer very different gameplay experiences.Himuro said:
I'm with you on SMG2's overly gradual difficulty curve btw. SMG had the same problem though, and so have the last several Zelda games for that matter. As polished as their games are I still feel like Nintendo tends to underestimate their audience, as well as conflate easiness with accessibility. A game can still be challenging and accessible as long there's a sense of fairness. The frustrating thing is that older Nintendo games actually had near pitch perfect balance, while their current crop of software tends to stay at a very low difficulty plateau for half the game. The amount of polish and creativity in a game like SMG2 helps offset some of the difficulty issues, but there's no reason why we shouldn't have been able to have our cake and eat it too, especially given the title's direct sequel status.
Oh well, it's still a fantastic experience, and one of the most addictive this gen.
Regulus Tera
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Himuro said:
Okay now you play it.
That means now dude.
GrotesqueBeauty
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As far as gameplay I think they're on a pretty even keel, and mostly share the same flaws. I did like Galaxy's Soundtrack and presentation better though. On the other hand, I thought SMG2 had better power-ups, and arguably better bosses (aside from some of the more blatant recycling, which was a tad disappointing).Himuro said:
edit: Actually, thinking on it further bosses were pretty evenly matched.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I know what you're getting at. I think SMG showed a little more panache at times, and it's certainly more thematically coherent. SMG2 is obviously still of a very high caliber, but at times I think the vestiges of its start as SMG 1.5 show through from time to time, which cheapens it a bit. I'd have almost preferred if they cut some of the filler and redundant content and worked on extending the fresher segments a bit, but I think in terms of sheer numbers they were intent on padding it out to at least "match" SMG. The other thing is that SMG had a few larger, deeper levels with more non-comet shines, although still not as deep as SM64 and SMS' somewhat more multifaceted stages.Himuro said:
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
It's definitely subjective, but in general I raise an eyebrow whenever someone thinks one game thwomps the other, so to speak. They're far more alike than dissimilar. I replayed a good chunk of SMG after SMG2, and even comparing and contrasting directly it's difficult for me to say definitively which is the better title. If you could have mashed the better half of each one into a single game it probably would've been a series best. As it stands I'd personally put SMB3, SMW, and SM64 ahead, but with both SMG1&2 nipping at their heels.Himuro said:
2 has more variety, especially in the comet runs.
Honestly though, I kinda miss some of the exploration that the myriad of purple coin stars gave the first title. Yes, they definitely tried to address that with the bonus you get for 120 star completion, but its just not the same.
Also I would have liked to play as Luigi 100% of the time, though I realize that becomes a balance issue like it did in the first game.
I think I just slightly prefer 2 to 1. It's more varied and a bit more challenging.
Honestly though, I kinda miss some of the exploration that the myriad of purple coin stars gave the first title. Yes, they definitely tried to address that with the bonus you get for 120 star completion, but its just not the same.
Also I would have liked to play as Luigi 100% of the time, though I realize that becomes a balance issue like it did in the first game.
I think I just slightly prefer 2 to 1. It's more varied and a bit more challenging.
Yeah I hate huge sprawling levels in platformers unless the hugeness is due to multiple paths. Guess that's why I like NSMBW, Mirror's Edge, and SMG2: really focused platforming challenges and nothing else. That one level you posted Himuro was one of my most intensely disliked from SMG. But that's just because I can hardly stand any water level at all and probably partly because either flying or swimming or pulling on blue stars actually means very little platforming. It's a distraction. All of the gimmicks in SMG2's levels are mostly about platforming where all the gimmicks in SMG were about making use of the Wii remote.
I think the post game is something you'll enjoy more. I was impressed with what they did (not for EVERY little piece of the post game, but overall).
Also, I think SMG2 keeping a record of your best times encourages creative platforming more than SMG ever did. There's nothing like this in SMG. I guarantee it.
I think the post game is something you'll enjoy more. I was impressed with what they did (not for EVERY little piece of the post game, but overall).
Also, I think SMG2 keeping a record of your best times encourages creative platforming more than SMG ever did. There's nothing like this in SMG. I guarantee it.
GrotesqueBeauty
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Is Yoshi's Island 2 supposed to be Yoshi's Story or Yoshi's Island DS? Either way, I have to admit I find your list baffling. Different strokes for different folks I guess.Himuro said:
I can't believe you didn't play NSMBW already. It's probably a good thing to check out after Sin & Punishment kicks your ass (it's nothing to do with you, it just kicks everyone's ass).
Well... then, you'll love the post game. Although I think SMG2 had a better focus on platforming even if the general theme (spherical planetoids and a space theme) was basically gone.
Himuro said:
Well... then, you'll love the post game. Although I think SMG2 had a better focus on platforming even if the general theme (spherical planetoids and a space theme) was basically gone.
Well it took me a long time but finally : 241!
Dear god was the last one hard!!
O M G, there's a fucking comet coin I missed!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
btw SMG1 record your best time on each galaxy, you can even take a picture of that screen and send it to a friend
and nsmbw is the best platformer I've played that's not Yoshi's Island, yes I went there. you name it, it's not YI it's not as good.
Dear god was the last one hard!!
O M G, there's a fucking comet coin I missed!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
btw SMG1 record your best time on each galaxy, you can even take a picture of that screen and send it to a friend
and nsmbw is the best platformer I've played that's not Yoshi's Island, yes I went there. you name it, it's not YI it's not as good.
AniHawk said:
Well thanks, good thing I actually cached that much
Wait you mean the last level with the trophy of best in the universe is NOT the last level?
There's a black luma that display your score, in that screen there's all the stars you took and the time related. You can even take a picture of the screen and send it on the Wii's desk.
Mael said:Well thanks, good thing I actually cached that much
Wait you mean the last level with the trophy of best in the universe is NOT the last level?
You have to have 242 stars and the level called
The Ultimate Test
Nope never saw that. All I remember is pressing A over and over until I just wished Flanders was dead.
Davey Cakes
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So today I decided to pick-up-and-play the game just for shits and giggles. Played the first star in Yoshi Star Galaxy and then played a little bit in Rightside-Down Galaxy.
And suddenly I'm even more perplexed at the people who think the early game is weak. This is great stuff, people. A bit easy, but great nonetheless. Someone who's not hardcore to the max would probably find Galaxy 2 to be mindblowing no later than the first world.
I'm sorry to those who weren't feeling it, but Galaxy 2 kicks serious ass, through and through. I almost want to do an entire replay of it right now, and that's just crazy considering how much time I already poured into it to hit the ol' 242 a couple of months ago.
Additionally, I want to say that, with Mario games, I prefer the "universal difficulty" approach. No hard modes or easy modes, please. A progressive difficulty curve from easy to hard, as seen to varying degrees in SMG, NSMB Wii, and now SMG2, is appreciated.
And suddenly I'm even more perplexed at the people who think the early game is weak. This is great stuff, people. A bit easy, but great nonetheless. Someone who's not hardcore to the max would probably find Galaxy 2 to be mindblowing no later than the first world.
I'm sorry to those who weren't feeling it, but Galaxy 2 kicks serious ass, through and through. I almost want to do an entire replay of it right now, and that's just crazy considering how much time I already poured into it to hit the ol' 242 a couple of months ago.
Yeah. The folks who still think that the game is too easy need to understand that Nintendo's catering to a massive audience of players with varying skill levels, and the fact that we even got a harder 3D Mario game is pretty much a miracle. But, hell, if Nintendo gets too many reports that SMG2 was still too hard for certain audiences, even with features like the Cosmic Guide, they may tone things back again, so appreciate what you have while you can.Ledsen said:
Additionally, I want to say that, with Mario games, I prefer the "universal difficulty" approach. No hard modes or easy modes, please. A progressive difficulty curve from easy to hard, as seen to varying degrees in SMG, NSMB Wii, and now SMG2, is appreciated.
It's funny but I died more times in SMG. At most on a single star I died 3 times in SMG2, and I beat most of them on the first try. I made note of one exception where I died like 8-10 times (although I forgot by now which one it is, and maybe there's more than one).Himuro said:
SMG2 was definitely 'harder', but I guess the lenient nature of SMG made me more prone to mistakes. SMG2 is still ridiculously easy in my opinion.
I haven't done any real green stars though. I just did the first 123 and then the two 'challenge' ones with the magic of the internet.
Haunted
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Well, you've only played half of the stars [120], and even though there already were levels which were harder than most of the stuff in the first game (Flip-Swap, or Flip-Out comets), or just flat-out tougher variations of levels in the first game (like Luigi's Purple Coins and theHimuro said:
Boss Rush
I believe you're thinking it wasn't as hard because you were still in the groove after playing through the first one so shortly before the second game.
Foliorum Viridum
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The green stars are very hard. Anyone who says otherwise is ridiculously talented, or a liar.
Edit: Oh, he only did 120? Yeah, that explains that.
Mario 64 has some of the best level design in the entire series, also.
Edit: Oh, he only did 120? Yeah, that explains that.
Mario 64 has some of the best level design in the entire series, also.
upandaway said:
Himuro said:
Actually no, not by a long shot
/!\attention real smg2 spoiler alert
there's a galaxy with a special level from Sunshine, it's the easiest level of the hidden levels. heck there's levels harder than that in the 4th world
Sunshine had difficulty pikes but the fucking pinball level is bloody harder than the fludless levels, it's not even a contest (and that is easier than some stars in SMG).
And if you did only the minimum on Sunshine to beat the game you wouldn't see the flud less levels or the fucking pinball either.
Foliorum Viridum
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In this case, unless you did a lot of green stars, an opinion on difficulty in the game is completely invalid.Himuro said:
Haunted
Member
You could maybe argue that the 120 stars of Super Mario Galaxy are harder than the first 120 stars of Super Mario Galaxy 2. I would personally disagree with that, since SMG2 throws tougher variations of SMG levels at you a couple dozen stars in and generally expands on the ideas of SMG by putting you into increasingly complex and clever situational setups, but I'd accept a well-made argument for SMG throwing you into so many new situations you first had to adjust to that it appeared harder to you.Himuro said:
Having said that, there's absolutely no contention whatsoever that the latter 120 stars of Super Mario Galaxy 2 contain challenges that are much, much harder than anything that Super Mario Galaxy ever had. Since the latter 120 stars are a part of the game and have to be accounted for when talking about the game as a whole, "Super Mario Galaxy 2 is harder than Super Mario Galaxy" is a factual statement.
Davey Cakes
Member
You also have to take into consideration that Sunshine and Galaxy just play and control a tad differently. If you took specific levels from Galaxy and transplanted them into Sunshine, or vice versa
, the levels may seem more or less challenging depending on what kinds of physics and controls you're used to. The ways Mario moves, turns, jumps, and slips around are not exactly the same in every 3D Mario game.
i.e. the Sunshine void level in SMG2's Special World