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Super Mario Galaxy 2 |OT| with >NEW< hat!
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GrotesqueBeauty said:
Because the last stars are really fucking hard to get? And not fun for me? I think that was pretty obvious. I was pretty close to destroying my wiimote in the Mario Squared Comet star. Never did SMG1 make me feel like that. It felt CHEAP, not challenging. The disappearing floor + shadow clones + timed challenge + having to manage the camera at the same time. Most of my deaths were because I was unable to accurately judge distances. I did get the star, but it wasn't fun.
And I do like the prankster comet challenges in SMG1 more. Almost all of the ones in SMG2 are just timed challenges or daredevil runs. And redoing some levels to get those comet coins reeked of artificially stretching the length of the game. And a byproduct of that is that this process made me realize that I like the galaxies in SMG1 a whole lot better.
I don't hate SMG2 btw, just feeling annoyed by it at the moment.
GrotesqueBeauty
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I think the game is a bit comet heavy, but there isn't really a whole hell of a lot to comb over in Galaxy 2. The levels are pretty straightforward, without a lot of hidden nooks or crannies. I also would have preferred legit platforming challenges though. I thought they missed an opportunity to do that with thenincompoop said:
green stars.
nincompoop
Banned
Uh that was my point, you don't have any crappy purple coin scavenger hunts in Galaxy 2 like you did in Galaxy 1.GrotesqueBeauty said:
I did too. Everyone shits on collectatons sections but I love those when they're done right. If the stage with the things you need to get works in a progressive manner it's relaxing and OCD tickling.jett said:
SMG2 is superb and overall a better designed game but I'll be honest when I say some stars felt unfun, something that didn't happen with SMG1. Usually you're seen as a non-hardcore pussy when you feel this way though!
And fuck that 242 piece of shit.
Removing checkpoints just makes it annoying and time consuming, not challenging.
I wish I thought about that at the time, lol.Haunted said:
AndyMoogle
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I have to agree. Most of the time SMG2 feels cheap rather than challenging. It's definitely way more annoying than SMG1 ever was.jett said:Because the last stars are really fucking hard to get? And not fun for me? I think that was pretty obvious. I was pretty close to destroying my wiimote in the Mario Squared Comet star. Never did SMG1 make me feel like that. It felt CHEAP, not challenging. The disappearing floor + shadow clones + timed challenge + having to manage the camera at the same time. Most of my deaths were because I was unable to accurately judge distances. I did get the star, but it wasn't fun.
And I do like the prankster comet challenges in SMG1 more. Almost all of the ones in SMG2 are just timed challenges or daredevil runs. And redoing some levels to get those comet coins reeked of artificially stretching the length of the game. And a byproduct of that is that this process made me realize that I like the galaxies in SMG1 a whole lot better.
I don't hate SMG2 btw, just feeling annoyed by it at the moment.
I had a blast getting all stars in SMG1. But with SMG2 on the other hand, I'll probably never bother.
Jokeropia said:
"Cheap" is people's way of saying a game is asking them to perform challenges using a level of skill the player deems unacceptable. Its a very personal thing. You even call the Fluzzard levels cheap while I think nothing of the sort. But I would like to know what about the challenges presented makes people think they are cheap.
Dr.Hadji said:
Stars like this can be found without any challenge and are absolutely boring:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ8aRUINsTg [MASSIVE SPOILER]
I get that impression as well, I just didn't want to say it outright.Dr.Hadji said:
I was thinking primarily of one of the green star challenges here. You can see the star, but since the camera turns as you get closer it's quite hard to see if your aiming at it. Kind of like Shiggy mentioned.Dr.Hadji said:
AniHawk said:
Err, honestly, I find the one in the first game a lot harder.
There's a much better path in SMG2 and once you've got the hang of fooling the shadow mario clones it becomes fairly routine.
Also use Luigi as it's much easier to collect tons of coins with a good long jump.
Davey Cakes
Member
Probably because you did it first.Man God said:
Both challenges test very similar platforming skills. Once you've done one of them I'd say it's not much of a step up to do the other.
I can do Make Mario A Star and Luigi's Purple Coin Chaos in a single try.Rash said:Probably because you did it first.
Both challenges test very similar platforming skills. Once you've done one of them I'd say it's not much of a step up to do the other.
Going back to Luigi's Purple Coins, I still die, a lot.
The Blue Jihad said:
Yeah....not seeing it to be honest. Granted, I haven't read every single post in this thread, but it seems the people who prefer SMG1 are in a minority. I'm a little disheartened by it since (as I've mentioned too many times in the past) there was an immense backlash against TP for being an OoT 1.5/rehash/expansion pack/etc., but for some strange reason SMG2 gets a free pass even though it copied the previous game more than TP could have ever dreamed of doing to OoT.
I should also point out that people shouldn't confuse this with meaning that SMG2 might not be better in some ways or even a better overall game than SMG1. I actually think the level design is indeed probably slightly better in SMG2. I'm just pointing out (what I think) what seems to be a double standard.
It's not a real double standard.
People are down on TP for being OoT 1.5 (even when it's not) because the similarities in game design happened ten years apart. Even so it smacks of complaining about how both FF1 and FF V have four crystals with an elemental theme.
SMG 2 on the other hand was billed as a classic expansion type game, like Advance Wars to Advance Wars:Black Hole Rising or of course Super Mario Bros. to Lost Levels.
When it was first revealed they claimed that a healthy percentage of the game was straight out reused in Galaxy 2 and it ended up being one level and most of the music, which was already world class. Pretty good for a full priced expansion pack.
People are down on TP for being OoT 1.5 (even when it's not) because the similarities in game design happened ten years apart. Even so it smacks of complaining about how both FF1 and FF V have four crystals with an elemental theme.
SMG 2 on the other hand was billed as a classic expansion type game, like Advance Wars to Advance Wars:Black Hole Rising or of course Super Mario Bros. to Lost Levels.
When it was first revealed they claimed that a healthy percentage of the game was straight out reused in Galaxy 2 and it ended up being one level and most of the music, which was already world class. Pretty good for a full priced expansion pack.
Elfforkusu
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Mario Squared purple coins took me one try. I have yet to die on that level, and have beaten it 3 times at this point. :lolAniHawk said:
Luigi's Purple Coins, OTOH... well, uh...
Stone Cyclone galaxy, though? FUUUUUUUUCK that galaxy.
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RR didn't give me much trouble, but the amount of times I missed those god damn stars, even after I found them, ick.AniHawk said:
The Blue Jihad
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Oblivion said:
I don't think it's a double standard all that much, really. TP could have been far more than what it turned out to be. Its pacing was pretty dreadful. Visually, it was dated immediately. The landscapes were large but empty, and the game was generally sparse on content. Taking issue with the OoT 1.5 quality of it was pretty fair, I think.
SMG2, on the other hand...realizes so many significant improvements that apart from a few niggling little problems with pacing and level design, there's really no contest between the two. It fixed many of the camera issues from the first game. The transition from 3D to 2D gameplay has been smoothed out considerably. The implementation of Yoshi is spot-on brilliant. And it incorporated the score display kinds of gameplay moments from NES Mario games. Where SMG1 may have laid the foundation, SMG2 absolutely improved upon it in almost every conceivable way.
Plus the cloud suit is wonderfully classic Mario.
nincompoop
Banned
The Fluzzard green stars weren't hard for me to get once I knew where they were, it's just that having to search every alternate path for them and not having any way to tell if you passed one or not was bullshit.
disappeared
Banned
Beat Bowser tonight, with 77 stars. Smiled the whole way through the credits. I do feel a little strange though, having not played the first Galaxy. I definitely want to buy it asap, though.
Why can't more games be this fun?
Why can't more games be this fun?
Lé Blade Runner
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disappeared said:Beat Bowser tonight, with 77 stars. Smiled the whole way through the credits. I do feel a little strange though, having not played the first Galaxy. I definitely want to buy it asap, though.
Why can't more games be this fun?
True. I bought a Wii the other day just to be able to play SMG and SMG2 ( and Metroids ). I bought only SMG2, though, since I love the throwback to Super Mario World ( with the inclusion of Yoshi ), but I am definetely going to buy SMG as well down the road.
To put it bluntly, playing SMG2 is a joy. I'm only about 6 stars in, so I don't know anything about the forthcoming frustrations, but I'll be damned if SMG2 isn't the perfect game of relaxation ( especially after a stressful Modern Warfare 2 -multiplayer session ).