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balladofwindfishes
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People didn't expect Greninja for Smash 4 because he was 4 months old when he was announced for Smash and had not even appeared in the anime yet. He was just a random starter at that point, we had no idea he'd be the big marketing push of the 6th gen and get magical anime powers and all that stuff.
We had never really had a character that new in Smash before. Previously, characters had to be a year or two old to be in Smash, other than Roy.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
He was Ash's starter. Yeah he was Froakie but the sentiment was there.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Ash's BW team never had a fully evolved starter. It wasn't a sure bet Ash's Froakie would ever evolve.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Ash's BW team had him carry more than one starter. It was inevitable Froakie would evolve due to being the only one.
With that said, regardless of anything else, it was Sakurai who picked Greninja.
balladofwindfishes
Member
And looking at the Green Arrow, he looks right up Sakurai's alley. A unique appearance, a unique potential moveset, a grass starter was requested for awhile now to complete the trinity, and the Pokemon just looks like one that will be popular.
Posters for the new anime also seem to imply Ash will be starting with a Rowlet.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sakurai just looked at Greninja and said he looked cool, but otherwise we don't know what Sakurai's tastes are. Hell we don't even know if they'll include a Gen VII mon on the new Smash game. You are literally committing the same mistakes the same people that made "Sakurai's rules".
balladofwindfishes
Member
Why wouldn't a Pokemon from the latest generation not be added? No Smash game has ever been released without a newcomer from the latest Pokemon game.
In Smash 4 he specifically set aside a character for the latest Pokemon game, not even knowing what any of them looked like or if the games would even be successful.
stan423321
Member
There's your answer. Pokemon Protonium and Pokemon Electronium (or whatever would it be named) releasing soon enough would disrupt this train of thought. As seen before in SSBB and SSB4, mind you.
Dr. Buni
Member
I would hope they don't add yet another Pokémon to the cast in the next game. Just because it is Pokémon it doens't mean Sakurai should add a newcomer in every game. Yeah we got at least one newcomer in every new game so far, but how many times has Sakurai/Nintendo broken "rules" created by fans?
balladofwindfishes
Member
Pokemon is too big of a franchise to not get a new comer every Smash game.
TheDinoman
Member
You're gonna be disappointed in the end.
Same goes for those folks not wanting another Fire Emblem character.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
You just jinxed it, now Sakurai is gonna cut every Pokemon character from smash 5 except Pikachu, and he'll bring back Pichu and make it even more useless than before.
Throwing absolutes like "X franchise is to big not to get a new comer" is just a recipe for disaster.
I mean character wise, Smash 4 has not been kind to you, right? Heh...
TheDinoman
Member
I mean, new Fire Emblem and Pokemon characters are basically absolutes. They're the only thing guaranteed for a new Smash game.
I'm talking about Smash NX, to be specific, not the next main iteration.
I was too busy being surprised all the speculation was "Smash 5" and not "The nigh-inevitable NX version that will likely be drip-fed DLC throughout the system's life with or without Sakurai because Smash makes Nintendo a lot of money," but yeah. Part of me's happy we're here again, despite the other part shaking its head.
That said, I really hope any and all future character selections continue to throw everyone's rules for a loop. I know it won't go away, but maybe someone'll catch on and give up that fight. I mean, Cloud should've been enough, but Sakurai can go weirder.
TheDinoman
Member
Ah, I get it now.
Still, I could see there being a new Pokemon character of sorts from Sun & Moon if all goes well and Smash NX isn't just a cheap and lazy port of the Wii U game.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Hey guys you know what would be more fun than speculating
Playing Smash Bros.
Netplay, Sm4sh online, come on guys you're killing me here
Playing Smash Bros.
Netplay, Sm4sh online, come on guys you're killing me here
balladofwindfishes
Member
Other than Wolf, I'm very pleased with the roster of Smash 4.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
it's really depend on what's going on with Smash and Sakurai. I meant there is a reliable source that said that Smash is in development, and we have no idea what Smash for NX would be like. It's impossible to to be so sure on something with lack of information with NX and Smash NX.
I'm only fine with new characters from current franchises at long they are going to bring something new to the table for Smash Bros, via Bowser Jr and Rosalina for Mushoom Kingdom and Corrin and Robin for Fire Emblem.
The hype behind Robin Hoot/Owl3/etc is understandable because people felt that they could bring something new to the table and we didn't really have any dedicated Archer in the game. But being absolute sure about it is too risky because we couldn't be so certain about something when it come down to Sakurai and Smash Bros.
Remember what happens with Lucario, Toon Link and Ike are going to get cut because people were so sure that they are going to get replaced due to "month of flavors". Also people were so sure that Zorozark is going to become playable character. See what happens there?
There are official rules that are still stands tho
but let see if those rules are going to be broken or not. if anything, people should learn their lessons from Brawl and Smash 4, the imaginary rules are meant to be broken, and we shouldn't waste our times to making up some imaginary rules, like no second character from third party companies, etc. If Smash NX is going to get new contents, then the ride is going to be very interesting and fun because the imaginary rules are more likely to be break once again. P.S. Feel free to break the rule via add Mickey Mouse to the roster.
I don't know about him but Smash 4's roster is just perfect for me.
My gut feeling is telling me that we might not get any newcomer from Fire Emblem for Smash NX if we are going to get Smash NX in 2017, and that's big if we are getting new contents. However they want to add someone from SMT FE then I guess I suppose it could happens tho.
I think people could do both!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
yeah I'm laughing back then about people saying Lucario and Ike getting cut
TheDinoman
Member
Folks, let's be real here. Sakurai may be unpredictable but he is never, ever ever going to add a non-video game character into Smash Bros.
Stuff like "Each company can only get one third party in Smash!", "This series can only get this many reps because it has this many games!", and "This character can't get in because he or she is too associated with a non-Nintendo console!" actually are just arbitrary rules Smash fans brought out of thin air. Ever since Brawl's announcement, however, Sakurai has stated that every character in Smash has to be a video game character. It's the one thing every character in the series shares in common.
I mean Sakurai even stated right here that characters like Spongebob and Goku are impossible to include. These bizarre requests like Shrek and such are what influenced him to add the Mii Fighters as he mentioned in their reveal trailer at E3 2014.
Ultimately I don't really think Sakurai "breaks rules". It's just that a lot of Smash fans are kinda dumb and try to look for patterns in Sakurai's design choices, and thus attempt really hard to be "super realistic" or whatever the fuck when making their roster predictions. I'll admit I was a bit guilty of that in the past myself. However, "Only video game characters get into Smash" is an honest to goodness real rule of Sakurai's and I don't see him ever breaking it.
Stuff like "Each company can only get one third party in Smash!", "This series can only get this many reps because it has this many games!", and "This character can't get in because he or she is too associated with a non-Nintendo console!" actually are just arbitrary rules Smash fans brought out of thin air. Ever since Brawl's announcement, however, Sakurai has stated that every character in Smash has to be a video game character. It's the one thing every character in the series shares in common.
I mean Sakurai even stated right here that characters like Spongebob and Goku are impossible to include. These bizarre requests like Shrek and such are what influenced him to add the Mii Fighters as he mentioned in their reveal trailer at E3 2014.
Ultimately I don't really think Sakurai "breaks rules". It's just that a lot of Smash fans are kinda dumb and try to look for patterns in Sakurai's design choices, and thus attempt really hard to be "super realistic" or whatever the fuck when making their roster predictions. I'll admit I was a bit guilty of that in the past myself. However, "Only video game characters get into Smash" is an honest to goodness real rule of Sakurai's and I don't see him ever breaking it.
Professor Beef
Banned
Bookmarking this post for the Smash NX Popeye reveal thread.
TheDinoman
Member
He's a video game peripheral. It's close enough. It's not the same as adding someone like Goku or Darth Vader.
Truth be told, if Sakurai actually was to break his little rule there only to add Popeye, I wouldn't mind it, considering his significance to Nintendo's history. He wouldn't be some stupid meme choice like Goku, Shrek or Reggie.
Professor Beef
Banned
Move those goal posts, I guess
Geminosity
Member
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Key Word: Imaginary Rules.
It's okay for people to trying to figure out the patterns but a problem with following the patterns is patterns meant to change.
Not Disney? I meant they have some kind of relationships there.
I know it's unlikely since Disney don't really want their characters in fighting game tho
Do you really consider that goal post moving? I'm pretty sure 99 out of 100 people would consider R.O.B. a video game character. R.O.B. is a Nintendo product made for use with Nintendo games, and he makes cameo appearances in other games. Plus, the Gyromite manual treats R.O.B. as an actual character.
TheDinoman
Member
Yeah, I'm just kind of pointing out that the exclusion of non-video game characters isn't an imaginary rule in the same way something like "Each third party company can only get one rep each" is. Sakurai never stated anything like that, but he's indeed stated in the past that "manga characters will not join the battle".
And I'd say Popeye is more important to Nintendo's history because the original Donkey Kong arcade game was going to initially be a Popeye game, it's just that Nintendo couldn't get the rights to that license. Ultimately, Popeye (the hero), Olive Oyl (the damsel in distress) and Bluto (the antagonistic brute) are all what inspired the creation of Mario, Pauline, and Donkey Kong respectively.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
There's still hope for Master Chief in Smash just saying
Professor Beef
Banned
Rob is a toy, and a dumb one at that.
Definitely. Part of the reason why Smash isn't reaching its true potential competitively is because Nintendo isn't supporting the scene on the level of Capcom, Bandai Namco, NetherRealm Studios, or (now) SNK. The release of the NX along with the rumored Smash 4 port could be a great jumping-off point for Nintendo to launch a Smash Cup for Smash 4. That said, the Melee fans may get angry that Nintendo left them hanging in this scenario (if said Smash Cup is Smash 4-only).
Dr. Crygor's got more moveset potential. Ashley will be forever doomed to be an assist trophy.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Shin Megami Tensei deserves to have a character in honestly... Maybe the Hero from DeSu1 or DeSu2 or something.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
literally who is Ashley
half the reason I'm aware who's Ashley is because people won't stop talking about her
same with k.rool, nobody ever stops
where's the sin and punishment love at
half the reason I'm aware who's Ashley is because people won't stop talking about her
same with k.rool, nobody ever stops
where's the sin and punishment love at
Professor Beef
Banned
TheDinoman
Member
I just realized something, nine years ago today, Sonic was actually revealed for Brawl.
Been nearly a decade since then, wow. I was about to become 11 years old when he was announced. Now I'm about to become 20.
Been nearly a decade since then, wow. I was about to become 11 years old when he was announced. Now I'm about to become 20.
Nocturnowl
Member
Sin and Punishment are my fav nintendo characters
Professor Beef
Banned
I just realized something, nine years ago today, Sonic was actually revealed for Brawl.
Been nearly a decade since then, wow. I was about to become 11 years old when he was announced. Now I'm about to become 20.
fuck that reveal
TheDinoman
Member
"Sonic's the name, speeds my game!"
That reveal was the stuff of dreams for a 10 year old kid like I was, man. Especially when they made it look like he was gonna team up with Mario in the Subspace Emissary.
Turns out he only appears at the very last second because he was literally shoved into the roster at the very last second oops.
Nocturnowl
Member
I think I still remember the reason this reveal was actually problematic for you.
hohoho
Professor Beef
Banned
GRRRR
TheDinoman
Member
Let me guess, was this an avatar bet or something?