Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Red Arremer
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Does somebody have the "translator" leak? I know Heath posted it occasionally.
Mona and 9-Volt are about on the same level as Jimmy T., imo.
Mona and 9-Volt are about on the same level as Jimmy T., imo.
I could see both of them for the same reasons as well. They're all on about the same level. Jimmy T's the most recurring character in the first few games though, since he runs the remix stages alongside his own original stage.
Because.
Jimmy T would be my first choice for a second WarioWare rep (I'd rather Capt. Syrup over him though) but the WarioWare chars are all essentially equal so it's hard to pick one. I don't honestly see another Wario rep past Wario himself, though.
Red Arremer
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Mona however also had exposure in the Smash series already, what with her theme being in the game. I also think that out of the more regular cast members, Mona has the most potential because of the multiple jobs she did across the series.
I would say if there was a selection of a WarioWare character, it would probably be between her and Jimmy T. anyway. Ashley also would be one of the top contenders, but she's already out.
I still think Captain Syrup would be a better choice overall, though.
I'm not attacking your roster, and admittedly I only read the post discussing Jimmy T and glanced at your roster pic. The only reason your roster even came under scrutiny was because someone claimed Jimmy T doesn't need to be popular because the Ice Climbers are playable. That doesn't make sense. But I don't have an issue with you making a "realistic" roster. I'm certainly not in the business of shitting on other's wishlists. There's no need to be defensive.
On a roster where dated and oddball characters have been included in the past, then popularity absolutely doesn't have to factor into the equation.
To be fair, those "dated and oddball characters" are the stars of their respective games. There's never been an obscure secondary character in Smash Bros., which is what Jimmy T. would be. He just doesn't really fit.
Red Arremer
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I found the translator leak (so no need to repost it). So far there's nothing that has been disproved yet, aside from reveal dates.
Arguably Falco? I dunno. :/
Arguably Falco? I dunno. :/
Falco's one of the 4 main characters of StarFox 64, the most popular game in the series.
I'd potentially argue Falco and Wolf, and maybe even Rosalina given the reactions to her outside of the Smash thread. Jimmy T. isn't obscure in Warioware, he's potentially the most important secondary character alongside Mona and 9-Volt.
But either way this conversation's gone in a complete circle now.
Red Arremer
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Jimmy T. also is a main character within the WarioWare series, which, to my knowledge, has surpassed the Star Fox series in sales. And it certainly has in installments.
He might not be on the cover or within the name of the series, but neither is Falco.
That's very true, but as far as Jimmy T goes, he doesn't have a lot going for him. He's not retro, he's not too popular, and as it was said a couple posts ago, he's a secondary character in his own series. Can he have an interesting and unique moveset? Sure, but so can a ton of other characters. Characters like Ice Climbers have certain draws that keep them ahead of the pack. Jimmy T, not so much.
This is the misconception we need to dispel. He's not a secondary character. I've been saying it because everyone else has, but in Warioware he's as much a main character as anyone else you could classify as one.
EightBitNate
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Does anyone else think Jimmy T and Waluigi look suspiciously alike? I've always thought that was weird.
Red Arremer
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Because 9-Volt doesn't have a lot of moveset potential. He plays video games, can DJ a bit, and has a hoverboard. The only thing he does that lends itself to a moveset is using the hoverboard, and that would give him great potential for being an AT.
Jimmy T. is actually physically engaged in dancing, and making a dance-based moveset for a fighter is quite easy; you can even use Capoeira as inspiration.
Mona has been on a lot of jobs across the WarioWare series, including pizza delivery, journalism, waiting, playing bass in a rock band and cheerleading. She can have a moveset based off of these jobs, use several tools from them (e.g. throw a pizza box, or use the bass or the cheerleading staff as weapons).
Jigglypuff and Falco are both kind of out there, even at the time, and I'd bet that Rosalina only made it because they had a solid idea for her gameplay.
In a world where we got three Star Fox characters in 2008, I don't think it's too crazy to think that a C-list series with a bunch of charismatic humanoids could pick up a second representative. I don't think it'll happen because none of them have an obvious gameplay hook to run with, but the design team's been nothing but clever so far, so who knows. It'd be a surprising long shot, like Ridley.
Rhythm Heaven was actually brought into the Greater Marioverse in Game & Wario. They don't have any games of their own, but the characters show up often enough in the cutscenes to get listed in the credits roll.
The more you know.
I just find it weird that Jimmy T has become serious business. He's the second most important character in games (he's in charge of the medleys) and in some ways the Luigi of Wario Ware. He was even the one out in front when they first showed Game & Wario. Honestly have no idea why I have to prove why he's worthwhile.
Troubled Bat
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How about Captain Syrup!
Jigglypuff was practically a household name in 1999, and Falco got in because he was a last minute Fox clone -- and even ignoring that, the Star Fox series is all about working together as a team. Falco is present throughout most of the game, and he's even a playable character in a few of the entries' multiplayer modes.
Also, it's more fair to say that Star Fox got three characters in 2005, which is when Brawl's roster was finalized. The series didn't "die" until years later.
Jimmy T. obviously wouldn't work as a clone or anything like that, but he's not nearly prominent enough to be given the full treatment as an original character created from scratch, either.
Red Arremer
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Captain Syrup would be amazing and is, after Ridley, my most wanted character to be in a Smash game. However, I am not having any hopes of her appearing outside of perhaps being an AT or cameoing in a Wario Land-based stage.
I don't know if this was mentioned, but when I rewatched the Little Mac trailer, at the end when Samus rolls by; what if that was a hint / confirmation that Samus can now "crawl" in Smash Bros. similar to Project M's implementation.
That is a staple of the Metroid series after all. I know Roll Dodges makes her roll, but being able to crawl and do a crawl-attack is even better.
That is a staple of the Metroid series after all. I know Roll Dodges makes her roll, but being able to crawl and do a crawl-attack is even better.
NeonZ
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Doesn't being in charge of the medleys kind of hurt him though? I remember the other characters getting small stories in the beginning and ending of their micro games, while Jimmy T's scenes basically didn't amount to anything.
Jimmy gets them just as much as anyone else, even when all he does in that game is a medley (Smooth Moves). The story for the other characters is never as involved as you're making it out to be.
Neko Godot
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I'd like to see ANY additional WarioWare rep, even though I admit Mona or Jimmy T would be the most likely. Most of the characters in that series have very interesting designs and would probably be fun to play as.
Have his moveset be based on NES games/sprites to keep the whole retro theme going.
Just wanted to take a second to talk about the Smash Community here. It's wonderful. We don't always agree on everything, but man, best place to talk about Smash. You have knowledgeable people here, as well as a varied casual view. Great balance.
Then we have awesome spritework from Neorice lacing the thread with each new announcement. Random Image Shops (Hypetrain gifs are gold). Well planned and executed threads from Heath. It's fun to post here.
Smash-GAF 4 lyfe.
Carry on.
Then we have awesome spritework from Neorice lacing the thread with each new announcement. Random Image Shops (Hypetrain gifs are gold). Well planned and executed threads from Heath. It's fun to post here.
Smash-GAF 4 lyfe.
Carry on.
I agree. GameFAQs is pretty terrible, and SmashBoards has way too many threads to navigate. Are there even any notable communities outside of those two?
Also, did you make your avatar yourself? I was in the process of doing the same thing, but I stopped halfway through after noticing you had the same idea (ha).
Yea, SmashBoards is also filled with a bunch of elitism. And I'm an older poster there, and after coming back to it I was like "No thanks." I don't really know if anything else exist, though.
And yea, I did the avatar. I planned on doing a full rendition of the DK vs Mac image they made, in sprite form mimicking the original Arcade game.
Red Arremer
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I agree. SmashGAF is great. The balance of cool people with annoying ones is much more heavily tilted towards the cool side than in any other community I know that has Smash as topic.
powerdrain
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Personally, from what you said, it sounds like he has a lot of moveset potential. I think I remember us discussing 9-Volt on here a while ago and I think it'd be cool if he was a conduit for referencing retro games and incorporating sprites and stuff into his moveset or something. That'd be kinda cool.
It's kinda hard debating how "important" a character is in a series like WarioWare, and I think these kind of comparison debates are kinda droll, but I guess the roster is one of the main things to look forward to in a Smash title.
If anything, I think we'll get Ashley (in Smash 5 anyway), and I think she could have a fun magic-based moveset or incorporate Red into her moves, but I think Rosalina already has that playstyle locked down.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
North America has dragged it across the million seller line single-handedly.
Good decision.
Oh god the ignorance here
Mostly true but there's a few that pick on me a lot.
Immaculate
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so is project m worth installing if you only have a wiimote+nunchuck setup? dont have a gamecube controller atm and i kind of want a taste of melee gameplay
most are just teasing you since youre a big fan of 3ds version tho haha. wouldnt take it seriously
Red Arremer
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I guess. I just don't think his moveset would come together as easily as that of Jimmy T. or Mona or Ashley. You got Orbulon who can do alien and UFO stuff, Crygor using gadgets, Dribble and Spitz or Kat and Ana in some shape of partner mechanic. Out of all the characters in the WarioWare series, 9-Volt would seem the most ... forced to me. I dunno.
I guess I just am not a big fan of 9-Volt.
I agree with you. In the end, it would be up to Sakurai anyway. We might be discussing how important a character is to a series, and Sakurai might pick somebody else entirely.
Though I do think discussing the chances of characters within certain expectations or series is worth doing, just because I think it's interesting to see where everyone stands, and whom everyone thinks is a good pick for what reason.
After all, it might broaden horizons in terms of character viability.
Yeah, Ashley is probably the most popular WarioWare character after Wario, although she's very new to the series. I guess the Japanese just love their moe lolis.
I don't dislike you, but sometimes your constant whining about the 3DS version is incredibly obnoxious.
theprodigy
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Oh, I was under the impression the original N64 version still had an active fanbase.
It's always worth downloading if only for the significant updates to the gameplay.
You can also mod it and make it as wacky as you want it with texture hacks and model replacements. Add Poke floats, or put Boba Fett over Snake.
Just know that online play will have significant input lag if you use any setup that is not the GameCube controller, but Project M and Smash in general is best played locally, on the same TV.
It's not the same with online play since I doubt they'd add mic support for Smash or Mario Kart 8.
They do have an active fanbase, it's called the Smash Community and FGC.
Yet another update to my roster
Like Brawl, I tried to include an even amount of older characters and newer post-Wii ones.
Old
Palutena (newly relevant through Kid Icarus: Uprising)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!! Wii)
Dixie Kong (Tropical Freeze)
Villager (City Folk, New Leaf)
Toon Zelda (Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Wind Waker HD)
New
Mii
Rosalina & Luma
Wii Fit Trainer
Zoroark
Chrom & Lucina (or Chrom by himself, but thats pretty boring)
Takamaru is considered a retro character, and Pac-Man and Mega Man are guests.
The Mii and Random tile placements arent finalized, but just know that theyre detached from the main cast. Miis are separate from the rest of the characters on the Mario Kart/Mario Sports Mix/etc. select screens, so I figure it makes sense to separate them here, too. I imagine theyll be customizable to a certain extent.
Like some of my older rosters, the core characters (Mario, Link, Kirby, Pikachu) are in the center, and the third parties are in the corners. Note that theres a lot of symmetry and mirroring involved the Mario and Zelda series go from hero to damsel in distress to villain, for example. The Mario family characters are together, the Disk System characters are together, and so on.
Also, it happened by coincidence, but I like that the realistically-proportioned characters (Wii Fit Trainer, Snake, Captain Falcon, Little Mac) are together. It seems to make Snakes presence less jarring.
Like Brawl, I tried to include an even amount of older characters and newer post-Wii ones.
Old
Palutena (newly relevant through Kid Icarus: Uprising)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!! Wii)
Dixie Kong (Tropical Freeze)
Villager (City Folk, New Leaf)
Toon Zelda (Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Wind Waker HD)
New
Mii
Rosalina & Luma
Wii Fit Trainer
Zoroark
Chrom & Lucina (or Chrom by himself, but thats pretty boring)
Takamaru is considered a retro character, and Pac-Man and Mega Man are guests.
The Mii and Random tile placements arent finalized, but just know that theyre detached from the main cast. Miis are separate from the rest of the characters on the Mario Kart/Mario Sports Mix/etc. select screens, so I figure it makes sense to separate them here, too. I imagine theyll be customizable to a certain extent.
Like some of my older rosters, the core characters (Mario, Link, Kirby, Pikachu) are in the center, and the third parties are in the corners. Note that theres a lot of symmetry and mirroring involved the Mario and Zelda series go from hero to damsel in distress to villain, for example. The Mario family characters are together, the Disk System characters are together, and so on.
Also, it happened by coincidence, but I like that the realistically-proportioned characters (Wii Fit Trainer, Snake, Captain Falcon, Little Mac) are together. It seems to make Snakes presence less jarring.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
May as well post the revised roster I made last week before Mac was revealed:
Only thing I'm iffy on is what Zelda newcomer there'll be (but I feel if Mario and Pokemon get 5, so should it) and whether they'll implement Chrom or go for either Roy coming back or another Awakening rep. 50 (not including transformations) is probably the limit for what I expect for the roster though.
Only thing I'm iffy on is what Zelda newcomer there'll be (but I feel if Mario and Pokemon get 5, so should it) and whether they'll implement Chrom or go for either Roy coming back or another Awakening rep. 50 (not including transformations) is probably the limit for what I expect for the roster though.
So then the question that must be asked is, what was I so ignorant about?