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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT| It's out in Japan

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StayDead

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There's a reason why Lucina was chosen over Marth during that locator tournament. She's unarguably better at killing than Marth, and killing is everything in smash IV. Racking up damage is nice, but if you can't score the kills then it's all for naught.

It's all situational and character based honestly. If you look at the Lucina/Marth forums over on Smashboard everyone is saying the same sort of thing. Lucina is bettter vs some characters, where as Marth is better against others.

Marth for example is very, very good against the heavier characters. His fsmash kills atleast 10-12% earliar than Lucina's.

Yes, you can choose 1v1, 2v2 and some other option that I've never clicked on.

The other is For Glory FFA.
 
How many minutes are average matches per player in EVO championships where there are tons of players?

You want full match statistics or just top 8?

top 8 Melee (4 stocks) at Evo 2014 was somewhere between 3.5-4 minutes on average, though keep in mind this includes a whole bunch of Hbox/Armada snoozers (and the Axe 4-stock, but that's only one match)

I would imagine pools and such would be shorter because more matches are free

also I think Melee should probably be 3 stocks (and definitely Project M lol), and Brawl should've been 2

edit: well even matches that go to time in Marvel are only 3 minutes 18 seconds, that's why it's always best of 5 :p
 

Blizzard

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You want full match statistics or just top 8?

top 8 Melee (4 stocks) at Evo 2014 was somewhere between 3:30 and 4:00 on average, though keep in mind this includes a whole bunch of Hbox/Armada snoozers (and the Axe 4-stock, but that's only one match)

I would imagine pools and such would be shorter because more matches are free

also I think Melee should probably be 3 stocks (and definitely Project M lol), and Brawl should've been 2
I was thinking very rough figures for other games as well, like SFIV. I'm just wondering how long games can run before it causes problems in a tournament format with lots of players -- like, 8-minutes matches for 3 stocks, even if they only run 5-6 minutes, could take quite a while overall.

I do rather expect 8 minute 3-stock if Smash 4 comes to a tournament format though.
 

ugoo18

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I was watching someone a day or two ago in a tournament, and they still lost a match in the grand finals due to suiciding...ironically going straight down, ironically while using 3-stock match format, ironically on their last stock. The 3-stock format didn't save them from the self-destruct at all, or make them play safer, apparently.

They angrily pointed at their 3DS/3DS XL afterwards so I don't know if a button malfunctioned or what.

Sounds like a 'I moved the control stick down-right so it picked up down instead of right'.

Losing because of an SD due to control issues absolutely sucks.
 
I'm positive that I must not be the first person to ask about this, but has anyone found any Ridley/Mewtwo/Chorus Men (or kids, yknowhatImean) trophies in the game? I know a trophy list has also been posted, so I can peruse that if someone has the link to it. Thanks!
 

jnWake

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I'm positive that I must not be the first person to ask about this, but has anyone found any Ridley/Mewtwo/Chorus Men (or kids, yknowhatImean) trophies in the game? I know a trophy list has also been posted, so I can peruse that if someone has the link to it. Thanks!

All but Ridley are in 3DS as trophies.
 

IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
Ridley and Mewtwo in?

That would be way too good to be true.

Well, Spainkiller said:

Fuck it, I'm just gonna put it out there:

(And I'm not saying this to troll fans or keep the hype up or whatever.)

I have a source who has been right about previous leaks and has worked on the European localization of the game. He says he has definitely seen moving models of Dixie, Ridley, Chorus Men and Mewtwo in the game and he's still confident that these four characters can be unlocked by linking the 3DS version to the Wii U version.

Now, I know how outlandish this sounds, and being a game journalist myself I'm taking this with a grain of salt myself, but we're talking about the guy who told me about the Bowser Jr. alts immediately after the ESRB leaks and has never been wrong about other stuff as well. Plus, the whole connectivity thing makes far too much sense, if only to get fans to buy both versions. *insert itprintsmoney.gif here*

Again, I swear on my soul that I'm not trolling. Time will tell. I thought Ridley was never gonna be in, but hey.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129524882&postcount=14153
 

ugoo18

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It's starting to feel like i'm seeing the same few characters over and over again in the twitch streams.

EDIT:

I've never seen any of the following: DK, Pikachu, Kirby, Bowser, Wii Fit trainer, Pit, Marth, Lucina, Olimar, Lucario, Diddy, Dedede, Zelda, Toon Link, Yoshi, Charizard, Ike, Pacman, Robin, Dr Mario, Game & Watch and Bowser Jr,

I've seen 1 of the following: Mario, Samus, Peach, Sonic, Fox, Falco, Ganondorf and Dark Pit.

Even some of the ones that i did see with some frequency like DHD are dropping of but Shiek, Rosalina, Little Mac, Villager and Greninja seem like they're everywhere.
 

IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
You're killing me here, Heath.

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This matches the new statements put up on 4chan 0_o

I remember when Spainkiller posted this. I'm starting to think it's true........
HYYYPPEEE

I think it's fake because he decided to toss Impa in playable character, along with very good choices of stages. I can't really see us getting 55 stages for Wii U.
 
The only reason I am skeptical about Spainkiller is that it matches up too well with the 4chan fakes. Fakes we knew were fakes. It is a weird situation.
 
I feel like Dixe, Mewtwo and Chorus Kids get brought up a bit too much by "leakers" though, and it's always these three specifically, so I'm keeping an open mind.
 

johnbone

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I feel like Dixe, Mewtwo and Chorus Kids get brought up a bit too much by "leakers" though, and it's always these three specifically, so I'm keeping an open mind.

To me, Ridley is the biggest red flag, seeing as Sakurai already "as good as" confirmed him for stage boss. I ignore any rumor involving him.
 

Dimmle

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The only reason I am skeptical about Spainkiller is that it matches up too well with the 4chan fakes. Fakes we knew were fakes. It is a weird situation.

That 4chan post reads like someone's ideal Smash Bros. wish list. Especially once you get to oddly specific fan-pleasers like "everyone gets their own target test stage."

I want it.
 
That 4chan post reads like someone's ideal Smash Bros. wish list. Especially once you get to oddly specific fan-pleasers like "everyone gets their own target test stage."

I want it.
If I have learned anything about leaks, it is that too good to be true is too good to be true.

To me, Ridley is the biggest red flag, seeing as Sakurai already "as good as" confirmed him for stage boss. I ignore any rumor involving him.
Eh, but why not just show Ridley? That is the only point of confusion for me. Don't you dare respond with that "maybe he wasn't finished" crap.
 
It's starting to feel like i'm seeing the same few characters over and over again in the twitch streams.

EDIT:

I've never seen any of the following: Mario, DK, Pikachu, Kirby, Bowser, Wii Fit trainer, Pit, Marth, Lucina, Olimar, Lucario, Diddy, Dedede, Zelda, Toon Link, Yoshi, Charizard, Ike, Pacman, Robin, Dr Mario, Game & Watch and Bowser Jr,

I've seen 1 of the following: Samus, Peach, Sonic, Fox, Falco, Ganondorf and Dark Pit.

Even some of the ones that i did see with some frequency like DHD are dropping of but Shiek, Rosalina, Little Mac, Villager and Greninja seem like they're everywhere.

When there are 49 characters in the game and only like 16 people in each tournament, there are bound to be a bunch of characters that go unused.

But there's definitely been way too much Sheik, ZSS, and ROB from what I've seen.
 

johnbone

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Eh, but why not just show Ridley? That is the only point of confusion for me. Don't you dare respond with that "maybe he wasn't finished" crap.

I feel like Sakurai just showed Ridley's shadow as a nod to the more hardcore players who know who he is. It's like an elaborate "who's that Pokemon."

Just my theory.
 
It's starting to feel like i'm seeing the same few characters over and over again in the twitch streams.

EDIT:

I've never seen any of the following: DK, Pikachu, Kirby, Bowser, Wii Fit trainer, Pit, Marth, Lucina, Olimar, Lucario, Diddy, Dedede, Zelda, Toon Link, Yoshi, Charizard, Ike, Pacman, Robin, Dr Mario, Game & Watch and Bowser Jr,

I've seen 1 of the following: Mario, Samus, Peach, Sonic, Fox, Falco, Ganondorf and Dark Pit.

Even some of the ones that i did see with some frequency like DHD are dropping of but Shiek, Rosalina, Little Mac, Villager and Greninja seem like they're everywhere.

I really want to know what streams you're watching, because the bolded show up a lot (and I've seen nearly all of the ones listed at least once).
 

ugoo18

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When there are 49 characters in the game and only like 16 people in each tournament, there are bound to be a bunch of characters that go unused.

But there's definitely been way too much Sheik, ZSS, and ROB from what I've seen.

Oh i understand that but it seems like in all the streams i've watched after the first 2 or 3 days of the games release have ended up as Shiek, R.O.B. or any of the other characters i mentioned spotting frequently.

ZSS has dropped of massively for me.

I've seen a Mario for the first time just now lol.

I really want to know what streams you're watching, because the bolded show up a lot (and I've seen nearly all of the ones listed at least once).

Any of the streams that get posted here that i manage to catch either when they are live or have replays posted.
 
It's starting to feel like i'm seeing the same few characters over and over again in the twitch streams.

EDIT:

I've never seen any of the following: DK, Pikachu, Kirby, Bowser, Wii Fit trainer, Pit, Marth, Lucina, Olimar, Lucario, Diddy, Dedede, Zelda, Toon Link, Yoshi, Charizard, Ike, Pacman, Robin, Dr Mario, Game & Watch and Bowser Jr,

I've seen 1 of the following: Mario, Samus, Peach, Sonic, Fox, Falco, Ganondorf and Dark Pit.

Even some of the ones that i did see with some frequency like DHD are dropping of but Shiek, Rosalina, Little Mac, Villager and Greninja seem like they're everywhere.
Dunno what streams you're watching. I've seen a lot of those characters multiple times.

No Peach though. This is because she su- fine ffdgh I'll spare you the pain.
 
I feel like Sakurai just showed Ridley's shadow as a nod to the more hardcore players who know who he is. It's like an elaborate "who's that Pokemon."

Just my theory.
There are three instances where a character showed up to taunt/attack in a video:
Dark Pit in the Palutena trailer
Metal Face in the Shulk trailer
Ridley in the ND

Either Sakurai is planning on adding multiple stage bosses in the Wii U version, or they will both be playable. What is odd here, I think, is that Metal Face would fundamentally change the Gaur Plains stage in terms of competitive viability. Unless the bosses only show up when you have someone on the GamePad. But how would that work in practice? If someone beats a player-controlled boss, do they really have to sit out the match?

So many unanswered questions. If Metal Face were confirmed as a stage boss, I would give up on Ridley.

can someone tell me why Nintendo requires everyone to have a copy for local play? Like i have a house with kids why must I buy three copies?
You already bought 3 3DSes. Why expect otherwise?
 
can someone tell me why Nintendo requires everyone to have a copy for local play? Like i have a house with kids why must I buy three copies?
Because you need the game to play? Local play would have been hindered anyway. People without the game will probably only be able to play as one character.
 

DaBoss

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Peach was likely not shown much because of the For Glory bug.
can someone tell me why Nintendo requires everyone to have a copy for local play? Like i have a house with kids why must I buy three copies?
Because Download Play seems to be impossible.
 
There are three instances where a character showed up to taunt/attack in a video:
Dark Pit in the Palutena trailer
Metal Face in the Shulk trailer
Ridley in the ND

Either Sakurai is planning on adding multiple stage bosses in the Wii U version, or they will both be playable. What is odd here, I think, is that Metal Face would fundamentally change the Gaur Plains stage in terms of competitive viability. Unless the bosses only show up when you have someone on the GamePad. But how would that work in practice? If someone beats a player-controlled boss, do they really have to sit out the match?

So many unanswered questions. If Metal Face were confirmed as a stage boss, I would give up on Ridley.
I mean, I guess it isn't technically impossible to make Metal Face playable, but I can't see them giving Xenoblade another rep, and making him playable would kind of involve major Xenoblade spoilers
 

Dimmle

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I mean, I guess it isn't technically impossible to make Metal Face playable, but I can't see them giving Xenoblade another rep, and making him playable would kind of involve major Xenoblade spoilers

Wait wait wait, so Metal Face isn't a hazard in the 3DS version?

Something's afoot. Or the 3DS version just can't handle his inclusion for some reason.
 
So just from playing the 3DS demo, Villager is fun as hell to play. It's hilarious that all of his moves are like "accidental". Villager destroying people by tripping and throwing a pot in their face or by planting and chopping a tree, it's all indirect stuff and that is hilarious to me.

I was most excited for Mega Man but now I really can't wait to piss all my friends of with Villager, so much fun. His final smash is hysterical too.
 
So just from playing the 3DS demo, Villager is fun as hell to play. It's hilarious that all of his moves are like "accidental". Villager destroying people by tripping and throwing a pot in their face or by planting and chopping a tree, it's all indirect stuff and that is hilarious to me.

I was most excited for Mega Man but now I really can't wait to piss all my friends of with Villager, so much fun. His final smash is hysterical too.

I know, right?

I always love pausing right when he/she blinks; best smug face ever.
 
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