AkumaHokoru
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hrm. jab range u2 range overhead is actually a jumping attack now. increased normal speed?(decreased?)
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Super Street Fighter 4 Æ |OT5| Waiting to go from Super to Ultra
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The "new" characters Supers and Ultras:
http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/22/cap...supers-and-ultras-in-ultra-street-fighter-iv/
http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/22/cap...supers-and-ultras-in-ultra-street-fighter-iv/
Oh my, I never realized STxT and SFIV looked so different until now!...
kevo_huevo
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hmm, more changes have come in I see. I do like invincible ex ochio, because I already like to do meaty ochios after knockdowns. I'd like to see j.mk have more block stun tbh, because it's really easy to get DP'd out of it unless you land it late in your jump.
ultra 2 is still kinda worthless sounding. i agree with the rest (I'm gonna have to hold dat ex headbutt nerf), except for standing hk -- and maybe that needs to be tested more. What I was really hoping for was for it to be like -2 on hit or something, because he is at such a terrible disadvantage when it connects, it sometimes isn't even worth it. it's honda's only move that's negative on hit (and by a lot).
honda bros!
I was kind of hoping for a refresh of the HUD. Anyone want to tweet that out? It'd be a nice-to-have requirement if they're conceptually creating a new SF game.
1f startup means it's now a proper command grab super that can't be escaped once it starts.
Agreed, even if it's just subtle, like from SF4->Super. I also want a new character select screen. :/
Bring back Vanilla's character select theme.
Even if we can't have Indestructible, at least give us that.
sf2fanatic
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Rolento's U2 looks sweet. Almost can pass as a MK fatality
Orochinagis
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Honda is a moving training bag and I will have trouble dealing with Bison too?
Guess I am playing hard more again.
Guess I am playing hard more again.
I wonder at what range Gouken's mp fireball will hit him. It's already a nuisance for T.Hawk and Gief.
kevo_huevo
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Oh.
I think i misunderstood the change, since it was a 0 frame grab in Super, I thought to myself "well if it ain't how it was in super then it'll probably still suck." I guess there's a little hope now.
Maybe it depends on whether the 1f startup is the ultra flash or the startup after the ultra flash (or whatever it's called lol).
Huh, looking at the Super and AE mooks, it's listed as 1f. Could have sworn it was 2f like Rog's U2, because you can jump out of it.
It does change from 1+0 to 0+1, but a bunch of Ultras in the AE mook are changed to 0+X.
RockTurtle
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boy i sure hope they changed GUY's shitty U2 ....
the_log_ride
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These notes on Hugo were amusing:
- He's so large, he partially obscures the health bars.
- He's so tall his head covers the life bars
- He's so tall it's hard to confirm counter hits
- Hugo gets hit by Juri's high fireball while standing
- st.MP reaches far. Can almost reach the opponent at the start of a round
- He's so tall you sweep him in Japan, and he lands in America.
- He's so large, he partially obscures the health bars.
- He's so tall his head covers the life bars
- He's so tall it's hard to confirm counter hits
- Hugo gets hit by Juri's high fireball while standing
- st.MP reaches far. Can almost reach the opponent at the start of a round
- He's so tall you sweep him in Japan, and he lands in America.
approximately the size of El Fuerte's hitbox.
Remember all the Zangief is top tier with double ultra posts.
lol
They probably will change a few things around, but this is a loketest for balance purposes still using Super assets, heck it has the Super announcer even though they already confirmed a new one for Ultra.
Should be at least a new announcer (confirmed), new character select screen and music for it.
Kim ‏@Kim1234_ALL_DAY 15h
To all bison users: he is fine. Things got nerfed but it could be a lot worse. Increase chip is something we've been asking for for a while
Kim ‏@Kim1234_ALL_DAY 13h
Bison combo: st. HP --> Red Focus lvl 1 release --> Ultra 1 (bison is a threat when hes not charged with 100% meter!)
Think he means is a threat.
Kim ‏@Kim1234_ALL_DAY 13h
@AndyOCR scissor kick builds more meter too, so it might be viable
He also said c.hp is real damn good, this coming from a guy who was pissed as fuck @ the changes to Bison.
Passive Assassin
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man playing bison is hard.
joffocakes
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Maybe with Akuma's increased air fireball recovery a correct guess on an armoured EX Monster Lariat might get you through? If he even has that.
They're 1 frame links, do you even plink?
Nope I've only got a basic understanding of what Plinking is.
Rice-Eater
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I'm assuming your issue is linking the sweep? If that's the case it's because it's a 1f link and the hardest part of the combo. The combo is actually pretty easy though. You just need to learn the timing and then it's like playing one of those music games. You can just feel the rhythm and know the timing naturally without having to concentrate or use any audio or visual cues.
Aside from that all I can tell you us that you have to wait till your jab or cr. strong ends before you go for the sweep. It would also be really helpful if you know or learn how to plink.
If you have trouble with 1f links, try doing cr.lp cr.lp cr.hp tatsu (2f link) or even cr.lp cr.lp shoryuken (3f link).
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfP3oj_8oXM&list=PL744144A71C67D816&index=25
You just need to learn the timing and spend matches doing it until you learn to do it by habit in matches. I'm still bad at it so I mess up plink all of the time. :<
CountBlack
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:lol I would had been happy only with more stamina!
RockTurtle
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et tu rice?!
Rice-Eater
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I just realized Evil Ryu now has a legit safe focus breaker. When I first read about the target combo change I just thought about using it as a knockdown combo against crouchers. But you can throw that out safely against focus attacks. Before Evil Ryu players had to use low forward or something into tatsu or SRK. But they can be baited and punished. With the TC he doesn't go anywhere so opponents who back dash out of their focus can't punish it. And if you punish a focus, the total damage would be 180.
Man Evil Ryu is looking good for USF4. Although I have to admit Ken is looking a little better.
Man Evil Ryu is looking good for USF4. Although I have to admit Ken is looking a little better.
There are no zero frames throws/supers/ultras in the game. They have always been at least one frame. The most important thing is when the super/ultra freeze happens. If it happens after that one frame(1+0), the throw can't be escaped. If it happens before that one frame(0+1) there's one frame afterwards where the opponent can escape the throw.
stabicron7
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I would have to see. Honestly most of the issue is going to be more the fact most other characters got a number is useful buffs, Bison will drop down because of this alone. Bison only got one relevant buff: far.mp being a little faster and special cancleable. Cr.hp has been reported to be a 10 frame move now, still too slow unless they buffed the hitbox and that has not been confirmed yet. Added SK damage...yeah its only 10 damage and it was applied in the wrong place, FADC combos are still useless and it wasn't worth the nerf to his pressure game.
No reduced charge time on U2 is not a good buff on its own. That does not address the issues with that move.
Edit: Also, so Bison is supposed to act like Gen now and have a full stick of butter at all times to be a threat? I can't imagine they increased the meter build on SK enough to matter.
CountBlack
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All I'm asking for this point with Deejay is invincibility frames on ex MGU or upkicks hitting crouch. They made Gouken's Tatsu hit crouch :/
Professor Beef
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Bear in mind it took 3 years for them to do that.
CountBlack
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#nerfgouken
I'm definitely picking up Elena, to add to my collection of black mains.
Rice-Eater
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Any of you SoCal guys going to Super Arcade this coming weekend? They're having a USF4 loketest so I imagine it's going to be extremely crowded over the entire weekend. If I lived close enough I would definitely be there. I really wish I could test out my characters changes. Hopefully someone does a PC mod of USF4 just so we can dabble with the changes. I don' t have any motivation to play AE anymore, I just want dat USF4 now.
Now with all this new info out there, does anyone thinks red focus, as it is right now, will be useful in some form?! Right now, it looks pretty much useless
lol, same here
lol, same here
Lost Fragment
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I think I'm at the point where I'm not gonna get any better at the game unless I start grinding it out at tournaments. Being at that ceiling is pretty frustrating, and I pretty much need people better than me to play me and tell me what I suck at and how to not suck at it.
Most online warriors who are "good" at this game are good at offense, but they're lacking in defense and neutral. They know how to press the right buttons once they're inside, but they don't know how to get to that point smartly, and I'm not much of an exception to that. It's no wonder; this game is very accomidating for that kind of thing, especially online. I've been working on my neutral game a lot the past few months but playing that shit properly online is fucking hard. I really hope Ultra has better netcode, but I'm not holding my breath.
Most online warriors who are "good" at this game are good at offense, but they're lacking in defense and neutral. They know how to press the right buttons once they're inside, but they don't know how to get to that point smartly, and I'm not much of an exception to that. It's no wonder; this game is very accomidating for that kind of thing, especially online. I've been working on my neutral game a lot the past few months but playing that shit properly online is fucking hard. I really hope Ultra has better netcode, but I'm not holding my breath.
And now, with KI's netcode being that awesome, I'm hoping really reaaaaaaaaaaaaally hard for all that hadouken cabs shit being an USFIV announcement for new gen consoles
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