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Super Street Fighter 4 Æ |OT5| Waiting to go from Super to Ultra
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OMG Elena looks like so much fun. ;__;
vas_a_morir
Banned
Yeah. I think this is good advice. Last night started out terrible with Honda and the stick, but I got a bit of a groove down and popped off a 6 match streak. As for the pad as a crutch thing, I'm guilty as charged. I was being terrorized by this scrubby Sagat, and I said "NO MORE" and I plugged in my pad and nearly perfected him with Sakura. (Haven't used her in years, when did she become so good? I remember with Vanilla I would pull off 10 combos in a row, and one Tiger-uppercut would land and I'd be losing, lol)
I've learned that a big part of getting good with a new character is learning which moves counter which. That'll take a while. But, I'm having a blast.
RockTurtle
Member
im telling you im getting bad flashbacks from 3rd strike Elena
Yeah, this severely hurts the process of learning stick. You have to play through it.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Taking my lumps, lol
vas_a_morir
Banned
The problem with coming into the game late (My fourth day playing SSF4 online), the only people online are pretty much guys who have been playing since launch. I haven't faced many guys that didn't have at least 2000 pp. It's okay, because I can lose 8 matches in a row, and win 1 and I've got a net PP gain for the session. lol
I remember when I played SF4 Vanilla back 5 years ago. (Holy shit, time flies) I was able to really fuck people up with the OP Sagat... and there were thousands of Kens and Jump back fireball/ohfuckimlosingULTRA ULTRA ULTRA Akumas. It was easy street. With the stick, it's a whole new world for me.
And yeah, I'm taking a non-stop torrent of ass beatings with the stick and Honda, but I've learned a lot about the character in the past few days.
1. Some people aren't used to facing Honda, so they don't realize that the Ultra 1 goes through pretty much everything. It's hard to counter with an Ultra, and an otherwise rookie mistake like telegraphing my Ultra has turned into a fluky victory due to the general ignorance about Honda and what he does.
2. People want to cross up Honda with heavy pressure because he's a charge character, and I don't quite know how to deal with it. I find a neutral jump with a HP can get me out of trouble sometimes. I've also noticed an auto-correct headbutt that fucks up a cross-up. Trying to get the timing down might take a while, but I'm having fun losing 70% of my matches. Any advice for responding to ticky-tack wake-ups and cross-ups is most welcomed.
3. Most human players recoil so strongly at the butt slam that they fail to punish it. Seems many forget that this is in the Honda arsenal. I should really work to incorporate this more.
4. Overhead Strong Punch is insane. Slap your troubles away with the slap chop; i'm gonna be making great food all day.
Anyway, sorry to bother you with newbie talk. I hope to get better at the more technical aspects of the game. Cancelling seems pretty much impossible for me right now. I can't get too far in the trials yet.
I remember when I played SF4 Vanilla back 5 years ago. (Holy shit, time flies) I was able to really fuck people up with the OP Sagat... and there were thousands of Kens and Jump back fireball/ohfuckimlosingULTRA ULTRA ULTRA Akumas. It was easy street. With the stick, it's a whole new world for me.
And yeah, I'm taking a non-stop torrent of ass beatings with the stick and Honda, but I've learned a lot about the character in the past few days.
1. Some people aren't used to facing Honda, so they don't realize that the Ultra 1 goes through pretty much everything. It's hard to counter with an Ultra, and an otherwise rookie mistake like telegraphing my Ultra has turned into a fluky victory due to the general ignorance about Honda and what he does.
2. People want to cross up Honda with heavy pressure because he's a charge character, and I don't quite know how to deal with it. I find a neutral jump with a HP can get me out of trouble sometimes. I've also noticed an auto-correct headbutt that fucks up a cross-up. Trying to get the timing down might take a while, but I'm having fun losing 70% of my matches. Any advice for responding to ticky-tack wake-ups and cross-ups is most welcomed.
3. Most human players recoil so strongly at the butt slam that they fail to punish it. Seems many forget that this is in the Honda arsenal. I should really work to incorporate this more.
4. Overhead Strong Punch is insane. Slap your troubles away with the slap chop; i'm gonna be making great food all day.
Anyway, sorry to bother you with newbie talk. I hope to get better at the more technical aspects of the game. Cancelling seems pretty much impossible for me right now. I can't get too far in the trials yet.
Cancelling is pretty much hitting the button for the next move when the current move hits. You'll get the feel for it then be set overall. Link timing is also pretty similar across characters, so once you get them down for a couple characters you've already done most of the work.
As for more elaborate stuff, take note that inputs can overlap in the buffer. Like Chun-Li can do fireball cancelled into super by doing charge back, forward+punch, back, forward+kick.
As for more elaborate stuff, take note that inputs can overlap in the buffer. Like Chun-Li can do fireball cancelled into super by doing charge back, forward+punch, back, forward+kick.
vas_a_morir
Banned
So, at the instant the proceeding hit makes contact (makes the noise), that is the exact moment I should be hitting the button for the next input? Am I understanding this correctly? I can never seem to get the right timing.
And yeah, I have a good feel for some of Honda's super-cancels. It's fairly easy to link a regular HB into a Super HB. It feels natural, oddly enough. You gotta be calm and deliberate with the joystick inputs, I've found. Sorta robotic and controlled compared to the D-pad.
Karsticles
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Kevo huevo here is a Honda main. I would PM your questions to him or chat him up in the FGW thread.The problem with coming into the game late (My fourth day playing SSF4 online), the only people online are pretty much guys who have been playing since launch. I haven't faced many guys that didn't have at least 2000 pp. It's okay, because I can lose 8 matches in a row, and win 1 and I've got a net PP gain for the session. lol
I remember when I played SF4 Vanilla back 5 years ago. (Holy shit, time flies) I was able to really fuck people up with the OP Sagat... and there were thousands of Kens and Jump back fireball/ohfuckimlosingULTRA ULTRA ULTRA Akumas. It was easy street. With the stick, it's a whole new world for me.
And yeah, I'm taking a non-stop torrent of ass beatings with the stick and Honda, but I've learned a lot about the character in the past few days.
1. Some people aren't used to facing Honda, so they don't realize that the Ultra 1 goes through pretty much everything. It's hard to counter with an Ultra, and an otherwise rookie mistake like telegraphing my Ultra has turned into a fluky victory due to the general ignorance about Honda and what he does.
2. People want to cross up Honda with heavy pressure because he's a charge character, and I don't quite know how to deal with it. I find a neutral jump with a HP can get me out of trouble sometimes. I've also noticed an auto-correct headbutt that fucks up a cross-up. Trying to get the timing down might take a while, but I'm having fun losing 70% of my matches. Any advice for responding to ticky-tack wake-ups and cross-ups is most welcomed.
3. Most human players recoil so strongly at the butt slam that they fail to punish it. Seems many forget that this is in the Honda arsenal. I should really work to incorporate this more.
4. Overhead Strong Punch is insane. Slap your troubles away with the slap chop; i'm gonna be making great food all day.
Anyway, sorry to bother you with newbie talk. I hope to get better at the more technical aspects of the game. Cancelling seems pretty much impossible for me right now. I can't get too far in the trials yet.
Why am I here? I just feel gloomy because I still can't find a character that feels right.
Professor Beef
Banned
Why am I here? I just feel gloomy because I still can't find a character that feels right.
You said you played Guile, right? Or was that Dahbomb?
Karsticles
Member
We both do, though I swapped to Oni about a month ago. I decided that he might not be a great fit for me either, unfortunately. I tried every character with a fireball, and none feel good.
I want some some damn speed and mobility!
Professor Beef
Banned
We both do, though I swapped to Oni about a month ago. I decided that he might not be a great fit for me either, unfortunately. I tried every character with a fireball, and none feel good.
I want some some damn speed and mobility!
If you want speed and mobility, you could always go with Seth. He's even getting back that god-forsaken Yoga Sniper in Ultra!
irfaanator
Banned
We both do, though I swapped to Oni about a month ago. I decided that he might not be a great fit for me either, unfortunately. I tried every character with a fireball, and none feel good.
I want some some damn speed and mobility!
you try rose or juri yet?
It's not exact, actually. Cancels all have a window in which the input will register as such, but it's about that time. Once you get a feel for it you'll find that it's pretty lenient.
But yes, the button press is what matters for timing, not the motion. Like I said before, the motion doesn't even have to be distinct. When a button is pressed the game checks recent direction inputs to see if they match something, whether they were done during or for something else or not. With a character like Ryu, this means you can simply press down+MK then keep it down before rolling to forward to press HP. With a charge characters like Honda, this means you can hold a charge direction while you do other things and then press forward/up and the button when you need to do the actual move.
RockTurtle
Member
We both do, though I swapped to Oni about a month ago. I decided that he might not be a great fit for me either, unfortunately. I tried every character with a fireball, and none feel good.
I want some some damn speed and mobility!
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try GUY
Although there are people who have been playing for a long time, the gap isn't as big as you think it is. For years, people have been doing sub-optimal damage, figuring out matchups, learning new setups and relearning them as new versions come out. By coming in now, you have all this information readily available. You're not picking up on the mistakes others have made. Just keep at it.
We both do, though I swapped to Oni about a month ago. I decided that he might not be a great fit for me either, unfortunately. I tried every character with a fireball, and none feel good.
I want some some damn speed and mobility!
Have you tried any of the divekick characters? The twins, cammy, rufus, seth, etc.
Karsticles
Member
I am more about spacing than rushdown. I did try Cammy because I had a childhood crush on her, though.
Why?...
try GUY
I tried Rose, and her fireballs seem to have massive recovery and startup. What is up with that?
I don't get Judi at all. She does a little kick for no reason, then does a fireball that goes half screen. What is the point if that song and dance?
What is Yoga Sniper? I thought about Seth, but I rage hard when I rock people for 3/4 of a match, get hit once, and lose most of my health. That is why I dropped Akuma. I kept making one mistake that got me killed. -_-
RockTurtle
Member
for variety? he can provide a more active and rushdown mechanic if you are used to a more defensive playstyle? he encompasses a playstyle composed of using normals and non-crossover dependent mechanics? he can be speedy and has tools to get out of corner pressure (flip and wall jump?)
i dunno...just giving ideas :C
Karsticles
Member
I wasn't trying to be dismissive. I literally don't know what he can do!
If you're looking for someone with good mobility and footsies, try Bison, Chun, Adon or Rose. In regards to Rose's fireballs, her fireballs all have the same total frames. Her light fireball has fast startup and long recovery while her hard fireball has long startup and low recovery. Medium is in between.
Juri can actually store her fireballs. That little kick she does has a decent hitbox and can be used as an anti air (although she has better antiairs). You can store a fireball for each of the kick buttons. By doing this, you can setup frame traps, fireball traps or extend your combos. Here's a vid I found that shows off some extended combos with the fireball.
Professor Beef
Banned
Yoga Sniper is Dhalsim's jumping Fierce punch where he shoots his fists at a downward angle in the air. Seth is getting it back in Ultra for whatever reason.
Seths rushdown and ambiguous nonsense is some crap. Especially the I'm gonna force you to block an unblockable with this here tandem. Seth can kick rocks, get nerfed. I'd much rather have to deal with yoga sniper than the ambiguous and unblockable plus ace rushdown. Less health doeant always make up for having such good options. Thats just lazy design.
Poongko gonna have to bow down to kazunoko and dashio.
Poongko gonna have to bow down to kazunoko and dashio.
vas_a_morir
Banned
I'm basically trying to move from casual to hardcore. I feel like I get more out of playing good players and losing than playing other new players in odd, clumsy matches.
Yeah definitely. By playing against better players, hopefully you can recognize what you're doing wrong and improve on it. Although if the skill gap is too high, you can get overwhelmed pretty easily and not even get a chance to implement your game. I personally think the best way to improve is find a training partner on or slightly above your skill level. It's a good way to find out what works, what doesn't work and enjoy the game at the same time.
black_vegeta
Member
Profound randomness...
try GUY
RockTurtle
Member
BibleThump
vas_a_morir
Banned
Yeah! The stick has given me a much greater appreciation for how technical the game can be in dedicated hands. My muscle memory is really improving. When I think about the game, my left hand tenses up and kinda 'locks in'... its hard to explain.
Karsticles
Member
I am going to try and learn Dhalsim. Tips and resources?
Sir Garbageman
Member
Random question. Does anyone have any additional information concerning the US release of SF25: The Art of Street Fighter by Udon? Everything I've seen lists the release date as 2013 but nothing more specific than that.
http://www.udonentertainment.com/blog/tag/sf25/
http://www.udonentertainment.com/blog/tag/sf25/
good luck
How do you go from looking for a character with speed and mobility and end up with Dhalsim? I'm not very familiar with Dhalsim but in order to have any success you really need to know good spacing and strong defense. If you misjudge the spacing and anti air with wrong button its gonna go downhill very fast.
Karsticles
Member
Dhalsim has excellent mobility. Spacing is my main strongsuit.
Karsticles
Member
I have never tried DeeJay. Maybe you are thinking of Guile? He is pretty boring, and I hate charge characters. I picked Guile to help my Skullgirls play.
I honestly don't know how DeeJay and Guile are different though!
DeeJay is supposed to be more "active" than Guile.
I say "supposed" because Guile is actually more effective offensively than DeeJay is, and can pressure better than him (especially in the corner). Thing is Guile's zoning is what he's best at, so that is how the majority of players use him.
With DeeJay though because both his zoning and rushdown are mediocre, he has to play more of a risk-taking hit-and-run style, as opposed to safe fireball pressure with Guile. If you have good spacing you can really annoy opponents with him, as it will make him seem better than he is.
How do you define excellent mobility? I'd say bottom 3 worst walk speed, dash, and predictable escape options is pretty bad. A majority of the cast can option select against his teleport. At least other teleport characters have another escape option that can avoid certain OS.
Karsticles
Member
Mobility is the movement options available to a character. Slides, teleports, and aerial dive kick-esque attacks are all mobility. He has more mobility options than most of the cast, but he is slow.
I'd personally take a single good option like fast walk speed over numerous movement options any day lol. A character like balrog can get a lot of mileage just walking in and out of range. I get caught by the shimmy so often due to fast walk speed. I'm trying to incorporate that into my game.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Can't wait to use Cody. His Bingo punch is gonna be even better.
Any chance someone with the USF4 mod test something for me? I wanna see if something works for Gouken. In the corner, do these 2 situations work?
- cl.HP xx fireball, cr.MP xx fireball
- Counter hit Overhead, cr.LP xx light palm
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