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Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition |OT4| Daigo Who?
- Thread starter Teknopathetic
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I am loving 2012 edition. Ryu has low forward back and Cody just being retarded good. Gonna be a good game for me. I do like how Capcom does seem to recognize bad habit reversals such as upball and ex seismo that haven't been incredibly easy to punish are getting nerfed. I'm not a fan of just nerfing things though. EX seismo should do more damage or something as an offset, but fuck Viper.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Upball's not really getting nerfed though. It's still gonna be way better than it currently is since it knocks down on hit. People will actually have to respect Blanka's wakeup to a degree now.
sixteen-bit
Member
Wolfkrone and his 7000 Evo seed point are crying in disappointmentUltimoo said:no more almost winning evo for c.vipers now.
Ultimoo said:no more almost winning evo for c.vipers now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2i0ts-uck
Looks like Viper's have more of this in their future. Getting bodied that is.
biosnake20
Member
Im guessing daigo might go back to ryu now. AE2012 ryu is looking better then his super version. Now I just need to see a video of cody's new walkspeed and ill be set.
Lost Fragment said:
Yeah but that's the great thing Capcom is doing. EX Upball on block being mad punishable works because as it is, it's one of the best anti-airs in the game. Fast, invincible to a certain degree and if I recall it's 4 frames or something like that correct? Those type of moves should be heavily punishable on block because in relation to how good that move is when it hits now, it should be equally as bad when it doesn't hit. I think the EX upball change is the perfect example of how a good move can be balanced by rewarding good play when it hits, and rewarding bad play when you misuse the move and it's blocked.
Biosnake, Cody's new walkspeed isn't a very drastic change but it's good enough. If I remember correctly, I've heard many claim for it to be almost exactly the same as Ryu's walkspeed which is more than enough for me.
Oh c'mon.Joekage said:
Blanka upball: -17 on HIT, -21 on block; 5 frames invincibility. Can't be made safe.
Cody Ex Zonk: Knocks down on hit; -7 on block; 16 frames of invincibility. Can be FADC'd.
Stand next to Blanka. Option select a move that will knock him out of ex rainbow roll and what can he do? He hits you with ex-upball? You get a free punish. His only option besides take your pressure is to wake-up ultra.
DryEyeRelief
Member
_dementia said:
maybe he should swtich to sakura full time
sixteen-bit
Member
Krone has a Sakura? I'd love to see it.
biosnake20
Member
If this is true then...Joekage said:
Ryu's walkspeed is more than fine for me.
narcosis219
Member
GhostRidah said:
Can't breathe
SmokeMaxX said:
Yeah but EX zonk doesn't start up in 4 frames. Either way, my point is that Blanka players relied on EX UpBall too often as a reversal tactic ignoring the fact that Blanka has some of the best normals in the game especially anti=air wise. EX Upball is easy to punish on block because the fact that as a reversal, used properly, it works very well at what it's supposed to do which means if it's blocked because you used it misproperly, you should be punished severely. I have no problem making EX Zonk -100 on block as long as they buff it when it actually hits. Also, people rely too much on reversals nowadays anyways. With Blanka, why not try figuring out the mixup, blocking it until you get space and then proceed to play Blanka like he's meant to be played. Defensive and footsie oriented. Save ex upball for poor safe jumps instead of just throwing it out there because you're under some pressure or because LOL it usually works on jump-ins!
Also Mr. Puppy, yeah he's actually pretty good now. He was always a decent character but now he's in the running IMO for top 10-15 depending on how the other characters turn out.
Viper nerf:
Byebye SSFIV. Was fun while it lasted.
I do not understand why you keep doing this to me, Capcom.
Really? Latif? A mediocre Viper player got into the EVO finals because everyone was too busy keeping up with Yun/Ryu/Fei Long/Seth, and nobody trained against Viper. THAT warrants a nerf? On the hardest on execution character EVER?
Byebye.
by: A less than mediocre Viper who put 1200+ hours into Vipers. bye.
Byebye SSFIV. Was fun while it lasted.
I do not understand why you keep doing this to me, Capcom.
Really? Latif? A mediocre Viper player got into the EVO finals because everyone was too busy keeping up with Yun/Ryu/Fei Long/Seth, and nobody trained against Viper. THAT warrants a nerf? On the hardest on execution character EVER?
Byebye.
by: A less than mediocre Viper who put 1200+ hours into Vipers. bye.
sixteen-bit
Member
Ask GenV_Arnold said:
Viper is not the biggest investment, I don't care what you or any Viper players say. And she has more than enough bullshit going for her that this EX Seismo nerf is small potatoes in the grand scheme. She still does insane stun and damage, and goddammit she SHOULD have a weaker wakeup game in exchange for it. Bitch made it through 3 versions of the game without being touched, now she gets one little nerf and the tears start flowing (not referring to just you).V_Arnold said:
I'm with cHaotix8: this is delicious.
narcosis219
Member
cackhyena said:
That's because they don't play Gen and Sim.
Also, as a Dudley, Sim can go suck a dick.
I'm a Viper player*. I'm happy (or, put another way, my curiosity is piqued). She's remained by and large identical to her vanilla incarnation. I'm okay with the idea that I'll need to use appropriate tools now. Really interested to see what I'll be able to land off EX.BK, which up to now has simply been a get-the-fuck-away-from-me-as-I'm-standing-up tool. If it's viable damage/stun now then that's a fair trade in my mind. I know BKs are throw invulnerable once they're airborn -- unsure how many frames into EX.BK it stops being on the ground. I have a feeling it's pretty instant.
*EDIT: and not a good one either
*EDIT: and not a good one either
*Shrug* Maybe I'm just weird, but I hate seeing nerfs like this. I hate Akuma's st.HK, but hate that (if the change sticks), I'll be able to push buttons because Capcom made it easier for me to do so.
Thanks Capcom? Well, at least they give Ryu his cr.MK back.
Maybe that's why I still suck at this game.
Thanks Capcom? Well, at least they give Ryu his cr.MK back.
Maybe that's why I still suck at this game.
SephirothRK
Member
I'm fine with Viper changes, good on the FP TK, finally a reliable get off me instead of getting thrown. I don't know if i should get hype for ex burn kick or not. Ex hammer still ok.
Youre overreacting. She's different, not bad. Thunder knuckle being throw invulnerable makes up for it as it now has the properties seismic had. It still converts to ultra off of pokes, just scrubby vipers that wakeup seismic for free ultra conversion get to learn to block ans tech.V_Arnold said:
Not like Viper can't blow up throws anymore, she still has burn kick which blows up tick throws and the like all the time. EX seismo was mostly used as an extension of her footsie tools, whiff punishing normals or blowing up counter hit setups. The only thing I can think of that Viper players might have to stop doing is the EX seismo feint setup that resulted in throws going through her and her being able to throw you out of your throw animation. Hate that shit but she got buffed respectively so any Viper players complaining have no basis. EX seismo wasn't even meant for throw breaking in the grand scheme of things. You wanna not tech? Just burn kick. Viper still on that lol just reversal mindset, don't worry
biosnake20
Member
I still dont understand how rose is not being buffed more. Capcom must really not like her.
Professor Beef
Banned
_Xenon_ said:
V_Arnold said:
Well that's how it should be, considering it is a heavy attack, and one that if it hits can lead into a good 40% damage plus a reset. I fail to see why such a move should be completely safe on block and leave Akuma at advantage after.USD said:
Bingo!Joekage said:Not like Viper can't blow up throws anymore, she still has burn kick which blows up tick throws and the like all the time. EX seismo was mostly used as an extension of her footsie tools, whiff punishing normals or blowing up counter hit setups. The only thing I can think of that Viper players might have to stop doing is the EX seismo feint setup that resulted in throws going through her and her being able to throw you out of your throw animation. Hate that shit but she got buffed respectively so any Viper players complaining have no basis. EX seismo wasn't even meant for throw breaking in the grand scheme of things. You wanna not tech? Just burn kick. Viper still on that lol just reversal mindset, don't worry
/Cody
Joekage said:Not like Viper can't blow up throws anymore, she still has burn kick which blows up tick throws and the like all the time. EX seismo was mostly used as an extension of her footsie tools, whiff punishing normals or blowing up counter hit setups. The only thing I can think of that Viper players might have to stop doing is the EX seismo feint setup that resulted in throws going through her and her being able to throw you out of your throw animation. Hate that shit but she got buffed respectively so any Viper players complaining have no basis. EX seismo wasn't even meant for throw breaking in the grand scheme of things. You wanna not tech? Just burn kick. Viper still on that lol just reversal mindset, don't worry
Cornered Viper. Knockdown. What you gonna do. Go.
biosnake20
Member
I would be surprised it tokido drops him. That nerf isnt that big of a deal. And be able to air fireball out of a demon flip is a neat trick.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
whoop whoop.the_log_ride said:
Now no one will know how scrubby I am when I do lk slide into yoga blast.
har har har har
The untechable knockdown on yoga blast sounds pretty good.