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[biosnake20]

Looks like cody's changes are basically the same. The only changes i see is that they took away his jump jab buff and gave him a jump strong buff.

Also any character can be dangerous in the right hands, including juri. Dee jay needs that knee drop, without it he's a much worse character.

 

[gutabo]

Honda's back. Being used to anti air with headbutt since SF2, and then not being able to do so was bad for me. Anyway I'll be back!

 

[cHaotix8]

I see Capcom is still afraid of giving Dudley decent hitboxes. Oh well, guess I'll have to make do and see how it stands.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Sp00ky trolling Triforce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O1EAYpUsm0

 

[AkumaHokoru]

T. Hawk. Hakan.

hawk was good in AE is better in 2012 and Hakan is going to be good in 2012

 

[Professor Beef]

hawk was good in AE is better in 2012 and Hakan is going to be good in 2012

Good, but not "dumb," as you said.

 

[sixteen-bit]

They really love buffing Kens target combo with every iteration.

My prediction: Still useless.

 

[biosnake20]

hawk was good in AE is better in 2012 and Hakan is going to be good in 2012

And juri is still gonna be better than both of them.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

So who wants to take a stab at the top 5 characters in 2012 now that we have the final changelist?

Akuma, Abel, Sagat, Makoto, Dictator

 

[biosnake20]

So who wants to take a stab at the top 5 characters in 2012 now that we have the final changelist?

Sagat, Akuma, Abel, Dictator, Boxer. Cammy us up there too.

 

[Leunam]

http://static.capcom.com/streetfigh...rcade Edition 2012 Final Change List - US.pdf

see you guys in a few weeks!

My AC boycott will come to and end

I like the Abel changes. Wonder if the Mid-Low change will see some play.

 

[stabicron7]

Sagat, Akuma, Abel, Dictator, Boxer. Cammy us up there too.

Take Bison off that list, he won't be top five.

 

[Conceited]

Akuma, Abel, Sagat, Makoto, Dictator

Sagat, Akuma, Abel, Dictator, Boxer. Cammy us up there too.

Interesting, no Viper eh? Krone was saying earlier in Arts stream he thinks she'll be the best character in 2012.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I want to learn Cammy so I hope she's good.

 

[biosnake20]

Wow how could I forget viper? Yeah shes definitely top 5 still. And yea you should learn cammy dementia. She'll be top 10 in AE2012.

 

[cHaotix8]

Top 5 will probably be Rog, Akuma, Bison, Sagat and Viper.

 

[sixteen-bit]

No love for Cody?

 

[biosnake20]

Cody is more like top 15.

 

[El Sloth]

I still think Fei will be a top 5 character.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Cody is more like top 15.

Momochi am cry?

 

[Rice-Eater]

Momochi am cry?

He's already using the current version of Cody. Why would he cry if Cody only got better?

As for Yun, Yang, and Fei. I don't play these characters and have no idea how to use them so I don't know how these nerfs really effect them. It wasn't like Vanilla Sagat who mainly lost damage(I know about st. LK and TK trap as well). Apparently these guys lost more then that and I'm interested in seeing how much easier it'll be to play against them. Between them Yun was the only one I really hated. So if he's toned down then I'm pretty happy about that.

 

[kevo_huevo]

Honda's back. Being used to anti air with headbutt since SF2, and then not being able to do so was bad for me. Anyway I'll be back!

DOSUKOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Momochi am cry?

Didn't he switch to ryu

 

[gutabo]

DOSUKOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<3<3<3
This motivates me to go back to the lab with honda!!!

 

[sixteen-bit]

A look at the tech behind SF4
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/3dcg/20111130_494044.html?ref=twitter

Anything interesting, USD? I like the pics at least.

 

[Threi]

i'd like to hear what bottom five would be as well (always getting left out)

Deejay was dumb in super. or do you forget knee drop hell? you had to have a good reversal or guess right to get out.

ST or SSF4? The latter makes no sense considering his knee shot didn't change, he did far less damage and had far worse tools in that version, and knee shot is easily stuffed on reaction by certain normals (it's NOT a dive kick), and if it was the former IIRC knee shot wasn't used much (if at all) in ST.

 

[Rickenslacker]

A look at the tech behind SF4
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/3dcg/20111130_494044.html?ref=twitter

Anything interesting, USD? I like the pics at least.

Some of that looks pretty cool. The early HUD reminds me of 3S', even had a stun gauge. And it looked like Ryu had shin-shoryuken early on in the development.

In the T poses, T. Hawk and DeeJay are there along with the rest of the SF4 console cast.

 

[XenoRaven]

Happy with Chun changes. Nice to see HK SBK might actually be used for something. Though that new cl HP xx HK SBK combo is kind of meaningless if you can do Legs loop. I like seeing the sweep stun is back and it looks like the changes to cr. short and EX Legs make her more lame, so hooray for that. Now cr. short xx EX Legs > U2 is truly braindead. U2 shouldn't whiff when you do EX Legs at max distance anymore. It will make comboing into U1 in the corner more consistent too.

 

[the_log_ride]

Can't wait until this drops! I'm fine with the sim changes. I'll make the most out of them. Looking forward to putting in work on a solid secondary, too...

 

[Joekage]

Yay Cody! 1 solid buff, two decent buffs and a couple of ok that's cool buffs.


I'm down!

 

[Axis]

Yay Cody! 1 solid buff, two decent buffs and a couple of ok that's cool buffs.


I'm down!

you still gonna get worked <#

 

[biosnake20]

Yay Cody! 1 solid buff, two decent buffs and a couple of ok that's cool buffs.


I'm down!

I havent played ssf4 in like a month but when 2012 comes out we gotta run some games. I need that mirror match experience.

 

[jlai]

i'd like to hear what bottom five would be as well (always getting left out)



ST or SSF4? The latter makes no sense considering his knee shot didn't change, he did far less damage and had far worse tools in that version, and knee shot is easily stuffed on reaction by certain normals (it's NOT a dive kick), and if it was the former IIRC knee shot wasn't used much (if at all) in ST.

Your new avatar throws me off

 

[Imm0rt4l]

smh, haven't played much ae lately, but played a really good akuma who beasted me 2 matches and left.

Then I fought some yun, who beat me by the skin of his teeth, I felt compelled to go in since he was taunting but whatever. I chose fei long the next match and bodied him something fierce, it was fast, match took probably a little over a minute. I choose ryu, barely lose and he sends me a message "you can only win with fei". Next match I toe-tag his ass with ibuki, on some herp derp, you can't escape my vortex shit. He kicks me, and I send him a message that "December 13th can't come soon enough". Now I remember why I took a break from this game.

 

[Toge]

You're all on crack, Cody has been hella buffed. easily top 10

 

[Axis]

You're all on crack, Cody has been hella buffed. easily top 10

not so much. considering his wakeup is still ass-tier and no one's seen how fast his walkspeed buff is yet...cody will be a good character but easily top 10? not so sure about that one

 

[Vice]

Rose's buffs will get her to - exactly where she is now.

 

[Joekage]

You're all on crack, Cody has been hella buffed. easily top 10

Hit Cody with an untechable knockdown, safe jump or meaty him on wakeup. Watch as they crumble.


Don't get me wrong though. My whole mission is to show people how good Cody is, I look forward to showing why he can be a top character. I just don't believe his toolset even with the patch is solely enough to put him in top 10. Think that solely depends on the person using that toolset. Hopefully Momochi won't steal my thunder this time. Haha.


On a side note: I would drop all other buffs besides the walkspeed buff if Cody had a decent backdash and forward roundhouse was actually airborne. Still mad that wasn't addressed but it's all good

 

[Rice-Eater]

Hit Cody with an untechable knockdown, safe jump or meaty him on wakeup. Watch as they crumble.

Funny that you say that, I just had a semi-long set with a Cody player who kept coming back to play me in Ranked on XBL. He's the better player and has better execution, but I was able to go back and forth with him because he wasn't punishing me for doing cr. MK, LK axe kick. He only kept trying to punish the recovery but not the special cancel.

The other thing is when I knocked him down, my dive kick mix ups were taking away chunks of his life. If I were playing Ryu, I don't think I would have done nearly as well. But since I was using Evil Ryu I escaped a lot of stuff with my teleport and have some mix ups on wake up that he(and most people) just aren't familiar with so I was able to punish him hard whenever I landed a throw.

 

[cHaotix8]

On a side note: I would drop all other buffs besides the walkspeed buff if Cody had a decent backdash and forward roundhouse was actually airborne. Still mad that wasn't addressed but it's all good

That'd be dumb!

I see Cody just outside of top 10. Rog, Akuma, Bison, Sagat, Viper, Cammy, Makoto, Seth, Ken and Rufus will all be better than him.

 

[USD]

Shit, just found out that SK, the Rose player who played a good number of the Guard Crush tourneys, died. Apparently it was from a seizure, he was only 20 too. RIP.

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/rose-player-died.150157/

 

[USD]

If anyone wants to know the official blog (JP) lists what exactly was changed from the last location test:

BLANKA
-Jungle Wheel (back throw) has one additional frame of recovery (in order to prevent an unblockable set-up)

ROSE
-EX Soul Spiral does 120 damage (up from 100)

HAKAN
-K follow-up to Oil Slide gives 30 meter, the oil lasts for 450F

YAN
-Raishin Mahaken (UC1) damage back to AE value (480)
-Tenshin Senkyutai (UC2) damage back to AE value (440) with the full cinematic

ONI
-Air Shun Goku Satsu damage to 350 (from 320) ground version is still 370
-When done during Zanku Hadosho (air dash), EX Air Tatsumaki has 3F less land recovery (now 22F)

 

[finalboss2]

If anyone wants to know the official blog (JP) lists what exactly was changed from the last location test:



YAN
-Raishin Mahaken (UC1) damage back to AE value (480)
-Tenshin Senkyutai (UC2) damage back to AE value (440) with the full cinematic

pretty happy about that, I really felt they took too much away from Yang. I'm a Sagat player at the matchup was about to get way too easy.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Shit, just found out that SK, the Rose player who played a good number of the Guard Crush tourneys, died. Apparently it was from a seizure, he was only 20 too. RIP.

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/rose-player-died.150157/

That really sucks. RIP

 

[scytheavatar]

I want to learn Cammy so I hope she's good.

She will be low tier. She's already close to low tier in AE and the buffs to everyone else is going to drive her towards low tier.

 

[sixteen-bit]

She will be low tier. She's already close to low tier in AE and the buffs to everyone else is going to drive her towards low tier.

That sucks. Even worse, we'll have to hear Chen whine about it on streams even more now.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Don't let "low tier" discourage you. Cammy isnt Dan tier or even close so it's still possible to be competitive. Just be prepped to learn matchups and not have many (if any) advantages. Take it from Rose.

 

[Threi]

mid tier, bottom tier, its all the same thing in the end

/rolleyes

 

[Corky]

Don't let "low tier" discourage you. Cammy isnt Dan tier or even close so it's still possible to be competitive. Just be prepped to learn matchups and not have many (if any) advantages. Take it from Rose.

I remember the days when makoto-tier was the dan-tier.

 

[sixteen-bit]

mid tier, bottom tier, its all the same thing in the end

/rolleyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGh4ZU4H5Hk