Seth should have his own tier. And is it just me or are cammy's moves hella safe on block? Her DP is so hard to punish if blocked.
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Seth should have his own tier. And is it just me or are cammy's moves hella safe on block? Her DP is so hard to punish if blocked.
TheThunder
Member
They clearly didn't consult KojiKOG or else he would've told them how "A" tier T.Hawk is, thereof, this list is invalid.
the_log_ride
Member
Home sweet home in C tier.
Rice-Eater
Member
Now that we have a official tier to go by I can now talk about how hard it is to win with my character(Evil Ryu), but when I do win it feels so satisfying. Funny thing is I had a little discussion about him at SRK in the tier thread and several people stated that if he had a 5 frame sweep(like Ryu) and nothing else was changed about him, he would be too good. I understand there reasoning, it's just interesting to see how one change could mean so much to a character.
Professor Beef
Banned
Fuck this fucking router of mine, I can't even get in any proper practice without it dropping.
Oh whats your username on SRK? I initiated that discussion as Ryu is my main and I've always loved E Ryu since his conception in the alpha series.
Rice-Eater
Member
But my SRK handle is "Rice_Eater". I use the same username for every place unless it doesn't make sense to do it(like my bank account).
Oh you don't have an avy that's why. I just read your post and just didn't pay attention to the username lol.
I really want E Ryu to be my main, but I figure mastering Ryu first and then going to E Ryu later will be better.
C Tier Yun is 
Anyway, I've been coming back to this lately, it's still fun, way more fun that SFxT. Slowly getting my link consistency back.
There's still a lot of people in PSN who mash dat DP hella hard or people who play like idiots in general (JUMP BACK ALL DAY ERRDAY DOESN'T MATTER IF I PUNISH IT WITH UPKICKS EVERY TIME). It's not as fun when you're just playing Bait Fighter IV.
When you find someone who is at least decent though, the game is a blast to play...
Anyway, I've been coming back to this lately, it's still fun, way more fun that SFxT. Slowly getting my link consistency back.
There's still a lot of people in PSN who mash dat DP hella hard or people who play like idiots in general (JUMP BACK ALL DAY ERRDAY DOESN'T MATTER IF I PUNISH IT WITH UPKICKS EVERY TIME). It's not as fun when you're just playing Bait Fighter IV.
When you find someone who is at least decent though, the game is a blast to play...
Rice-Eater
Member
I haven't been on PSN in a while, I didn't know you were still running Yun Floyd. I thought he was a side character you played around with and Duds was still your main. He is listed as C-tier, but I really find that hard to believe. Even though he got nerfed, all his tools are still there and work great. He's just not as brain dead easy anymore, but if you got one, he's still a great character and a pain in the ass to fight against. Myself personally I still think he's up there. If not top tier then definitely upper mid.
I mainly lurk SRK, although I try to contribute to the Evil Ryu forum as much as possible. As for picking characters, Ryu is the best character to choose to learn the game but Evil Ryu is a good starting character to IMO. You may have a harder time winning with him, but all the basics you can learn from using Ryu can also be applied to Evil Ryu as well. They have their differences, but it won't have to do with learning the basics of this game.
I mainly lurk SRK, although I try to contribute to the Evil Ryu forum as much as possible. As for picking characters, Ryu is the best character to choose to learn the game but Evil Ryu is a good starting character to IMO. You may have a harder time winning with him, but all the basics you can learn from using Ryu can also be applied to Evil Ryu as well. They have their differences, but it won't have to do with learning the basics of this game.
I agree. Everything she does is safe.
sixteen-bit
Member
Adon is in there.
biosnake20
Member
So many characters are lower than they should be.
Did you try any of the competition in the new chat I invited you to?C Tier Yun is
Anyway, I've been coming back to this lately, it's still fun, way more fun that SFxT. Slowly getting my link consistency back.
There's still a lot of people in PSN who mash dat DP hella hard or people who play like idiots in general (JUMP BACK ALL DAY ERRDAY DOESN'T MATTER IF I PUNISH IT WITH UPKICKS EVERY TIME). It's not as fun when you're just playing Bait Fighter IV.
When you find someone who is at least decent though, the game is a blast to play...
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
It's like a 1-man tier list. Interesting to hear his opinion, but it's hardly concrete.
This is like the 2nd or 3rd time Vega has been rated so high though. Wonder why the Japanese think he's suddenly so good.
Cammy is good because you can't focus against her, hard as hell to anti air her when she has meter, and her walkspeed coupled with her overall decent normals gives her pretty decent footsies. Not to mention she has a pretty good mixup when she knocks you down. Definitely a strong character but I'd put her as 5th best at the highest.
And then I look and see how low Dee Jay is. The hell is up with that tier list?
And then I look and see how low Dee Jay is. The hell is up with that tier list?
biosnake20
Member
Seeing Yang close to bottom tier? Tier list made by a Yang player? I see a connection.
TheThunder
Member
Swap Vega for Cammy and that would be what I am thinking.
Yeah, I still play Duds, just not as much as I'd like to. Getting out footsie'd to hell and back by good Ryu players sucks :c
As for Yun, I just think he's fun as hell to play with, everything is still there minus the bullshit that made him OP. I suck at making the godlike reads Kazunoko always makes, and I drop links in crucial situations, so i'm not that good with him anyway. He's super fun to use though.
Oh, I completely forgot about that. Mind sending an invite to my other account? (FloydM7)
Will add you there tomorrow!
I'm looking forward to whatever this is:
http://twitter.com/AlexValleSF4/status/197522942022782977
Valle's been doing this type of stuff since way before streams and sponsors. I don't think he's ever gotten enough credit for it. Should be an interesting panel.
http://twitter.com/AlexValleSF4/status/197522942022782977
Valle's been doing this type of stuff since way before streams and sponsors. I don't think he's ever gotten enough credit for it. Should be an interesting panel.
Professor Beef
Banned
heliconsoul
Member
Finding it hard to level up at the moment. For my sins I've chosen Rose as a main (C tier, and 1f link bnbs ftw) because I love her play style and moves, plus I'm sick of playing Ryu.
Trying to level on Euro PSN is a nightmare. I'm either being placed against 10-20kBP folks who steam-roll me or complete mashers. Either way I don't feel I'm learning anything. I went to some casuals for the first time at the weekend and that was a great help but they're only every fortnight near me.
Not sure how best to proceed. Sitting in training mode practising my links will only go so far :-/
On another note, while I enjoyed SFxT for a month it really feels like home coming back to AE.
Trying to level on Euro PSN is a nightmare. I'm either being placed against 10-20kBP folks who steam-roll me or complete mashers. Either way I don't feel I'm learning anything. I went to some casuals for the first time at the weekend and that was a great help but they're only every fortnight near me.
Not sure how best to proceed. Sitting in training mode practising my links will only go so far :-/
On another note, while I enjoyed SFxT for a month it really feels like home coming back to AE.
Rice-Eater
Member
Don't know, but I still lose to her all the freaking time. She out footsies me, if she throws a fireball and I don't answer immediately I have to deal with overhead/sweep or some kind of safe pressure, Ultra 1 shuts down my fireballs, backdash escapes everything, and EX bird takes care of any kind of jump in(besides safe jumps). Even on block I hate how you don't have much time to punish. I just find her extremely frustrating to fight.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Eh I don't think she's that bad. She's solid. Unless she's fighting someone with a dive kick.
depression after hito left her for juri.
sixteen-bit
Member
I thought hito was a Hawk player.
Rice-Eater
Member
Last time I played Hito at the local tournament, he was mainly Chun/Hawk. He did use Juri as well, but not as much as the other two.
he was.
Hito's like that guy who breaks up with his girlfriend by telling her he isnt a charge character kind of guy and wants to churn butter with t hawk.
and chun just ran into him at the mall dating a more flexible special move woman a year later.
so yeah, chun feels kinda down.
last i talked to him about street fighter he told me he was a juri player.
Everyone leaves eventually. It's all very sad. It's ok though. I'll never leave you Chun. Even in Marvel when you're really bad. <3
And Rice, maybe I'm just terrible but my EX SBKs get beat by Ryu jump-ins pretty often. Not sure what E. Ryu's comparable normals are, but try a j. LK if you think the Chun is going to reversal. I've eaten j. HKs from Ryu trying to EX SBK too though. Also I'm pretty sure E. Ryu dive kick can beat it if you time it right.
I guess it's really a perspective thing. But I've always felt that the only thing really great about EX SBK is the fact that it beats most crossups. Apart from that, it gets beat by a lot of stuff.
And Rice, maybe I'm just terrible but my EX SBKs get beat by Ryu jump-ins pretty often. Not sure what E. Ryu's comparable normals are, but try a j. LK if you think the Chun is going to reversal. I've eaten j. HKs from Ryu trying to EX SBK too though. Also I'm pretty sure E. Ryu dive kick can beat it if you time it right.
I guess it's really a perspective thing. But I've always felt that the only thing really great about EX SBK is the fact that it beats most crossups. Apart from that, it gets beat by a lot of stuff.
crimzonflame
Member
OK so I finally got around to playing this game yesterday. I started off by completing all of Sakura's trials to get a hang of her and I really like her game play. Is SRK the place to go to get a definitive guide on her? Any tips for a new Sakura player. She was my fav in Alpha 3 but that was like 12 years ago.
I think the fact that nobody plays him is testament enough in itself. Other characters do what he does better/more efficiently.
every shunpakyu save med is safe on block.
it combos from every close normal. [c.mk is range dependant]
so just shunpakyu every time anything hits anything. there's really no reason not to.
oh and all of her jabs and light kicks are 3 framers [unless they changed that], so feel free to poke them out sometimes. blocked shunpakyu's can often net you a s.lk or c.lk hit into... another shunpakyu!
fireball is okay, can be useful in some matchups or when people forget she has one.
srk only useful off a c.mk.
otoshi is pretty useless.
ex shunpakyu mixups are god mode.
cr.hp is the best anti air normal ever made.
s.hk is a surprisingly good keep away normal.
saks backdash is airborne when it comes out of invincibility
crimzonflame
Member
thanks!
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
The case for Adon:
- Solid Street Fighter base since he's an old character design (he's footsies-centric at his core in contrast to the largely brain-dead mix-up characters introduced in SFIV)
- Has SFIV-centric tools (FADC-able invincible DP, practical ways to discourage focus attacks, and an ambiguous jumping forward kick that gives him a poor man's vortex)
- Is strong in the metagame (his worst match-ups are almost all against weaker and lesser-used characters)
If Adon's a top-tier character - and I think he is - it's a testament to AE2012's balance because he's nowhere near overpowered. Adon has some clear strengths, some clear weaknesses, some good match-ups, a whole bunch of even match-ups, and some bad match-ups. He's a proper Street Fighter character.
oh and although ex shunpakyu will normally hit most character on block, some characters have funky hitboxes that cause sakura to fly over them when they're in crouchstun. [akuma/evil ryu/others]
what a solid gameplan!
priorities, man.
shunpakyu all the things is #1
which leads into: landing more shunpakyus as #2
which leads into: i wish i could shunpakyu a max range cr.mk... as #3
which leads into: keeping ambiguous with my shunpakyu's as #4
which leads into: keeping us both on our feet to land more shunpakyu's as #5
and finally: oh my god i will never eat a jump in again AND this thing shunpakyus! as #6
bonus round: i wanna shunpakyu off my overhead, fix this shit capcom!
its not like bison where you can win with just focus, dash and s.hk
TheThunder
Member
If Nuki of all people dropped Chun, then you know your character is fucked.
Personally, having witnessed and experienced the terror she unleashed for over 10 years in 3S, I can't find much sympathy for her.
Gamespot's doing a Street fighter marathon, starting all the way from Karate Champ to the SSFIV. They already did Karate Champ and Street fighter I, and now they're on Street fighter II: The World Warriors.
Ahh yes, 3s Chun was the epitome of complexity and smart play.
FP
b.FP
d.mk into super
meaty UOH into super
Congrats, you're now awesome at 3rd Strike. Had no idea the 2012 patch hurt her so bad.