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Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition |OT4| Daigo Who?
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solidgear91
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After he started doing cannon strikes after blocked spiral arrows I pretty much knew what to expect lol.
Venfayth pinged me on crouch teching. I didn't even realize I was just mindlessly teching all the time.
My GFWL thing is UJ Tortle. I don't know what you do with that info but if you want to play a scrubby ERyu/Adon, I'm your dude. Currently low C I think....
So I've been playing this for a while now and I've kind of been going between 500-700pp every session. I find it really hard to keep up consistency for long periods of time, I'll have short bursts where I'll play really well and win a bunch then I'll just start losing horribly and get all frustrated.
So far though I really like the way Ibuki plays, though I find once I'm stuck in a combo I have a hard time turning things around. Anyways my next little goal is to get to 1000pp without smashing my controller or giving myself a rage induced seizure. Wish me luck.
So far though I really like the way Ibuki plays, though I find once I'm stuck in a combo I have a hard time turning things around. Anyways my next little goal is to get to 1000pp without smashing my controller or giving myself a rage induced seizure. Wish me luck.
Passive Assassin
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Ibuki is a fun character. Really dependent on reads and reactions of opponents. Oh and unblockalols. But getting in on a opponent with Ibuki on a legit read is probably my favorite thing about her.
Passive Assassin
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reading them fireballzs
Rice-Eater
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Good shit solidgear. I also went 1-2 the last time I went to ReSe. Hopefully the June tourney isn't on the same weekend as MoS and I'll be there and hopefully you can attend again. I haven't played live matches in a while and sorely miss it
black_vegeta
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= slidez, lots of them
Ace Harding
Member
Figure this is just a good a place as any for this question:
Is TV input lag ever an issue with fighting games?
I ask because on the 3DS version of SSFIV I have completed a bunch characters' trials without a huge problem. I have tried many, many more times on 360 though and usually can't progress beyond the more complex combos. I haven't completed a single character's trials. I get tripped up when there is fairly strict combo timing required, with 4-6 separate moves (somewhere between 12-15 usually).
I don't think the issue is that I just suck with a stick (which is what I use on the 360). I bang out any motion consistently without problems with the stick, and less consistently on the 3DS. I watch my inputs and I'm doing the right motions and hitting the right buttons. Its just my timing on the 360 with the stick is off.
Is it just me? Or could there be a latency issue? I assume the 3DS has very little input lag compared to a 360 connected via HDMI to an LCD HTDV. Is the 3DS somehow calibrated for more forgiving combo timing?
I'm using a Capcom SE stick, modded with Sanwa parts, connected to 360 USB. TV is a Samsung 42" LCD HDTV, circa ~2007.
Is TV input lag ever an issue with fighting games?
I ask because on the 3DS version of SSFIV I have completed a bunch characters' trials without a huge problem. I have tried many, many more times on 360 though and usually can't progress beyond the more complex combos. I haven't completed a single character's trials. I get tripped up when there is fairly strict combo timing required, with 4-6 separate moves (somewhere between 12-15 usually).
I don't think the issue is that I just suck with a stick (which is what I use on the 360). I bang out any motion consistently without problems with the stick, and less consistently on the 3DS. I watch my inputs and I'm doing the right motions and hitting the right buttons. Its just my timing on the 360 with the stick is off.
Is it just me? Or could there be a latency issue? I assume the 3DS has very little input lag compared to a 360 connected via HDMI to an LCD HTDV. Is the 3DS somehow calibrated for more forgiving combo timing?
I'm using a Capcom SE stick, modded with Sanwa parts, connected to 360 USB. TV is a Samsung 42" LCD HDTV, circa ~2007.
Just give me a heads up whenever you feel like playing and I'm around.
Kadey1up is my tag.
And if you guys want to see that tournament Sako just won, PM me.
Yes, very much so. 16ms of input delay = 1 frame. So if you're over 30-40ms delay you're going to start seeing real issues. (run a search your specific model for delay. Modern samsungs vary wildly on input lag, some are terrible, some are fabulous; check to see if you have game mode.)
Ace Harding
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Well shit. Am I boned then? I will never complete those trials?
Or is it consistent lag, so that you can learn to adjust? I'm not sure how though. I jump into those every few months or so for a few hours and don't get any better. Then I pick up my 3DS and just knock them out. Its incredibly frustrating.
Edit: I am getting a new (bigger) TV in the next few months, and I'm prioritizing input lag, so maybe that will help.
You can adjust. Lots of people do. It's just that if you want to play on other TVs than your own, that's when it becomes an issue. Some guys who go to the tourneys I help run swore up and down that our stream station was laggy. We found out that at home they play on a 60" HD TV that has like 60-70ms of lag on it, but they were so used to it that any time they played elsewhere, it felt like lag.
What Venfayth said. If you can find out what lag your panel has, that will help you understand what you're seeing.
Definitely prioritize input delay. It's the single most important thing for anyone with gaming as a hobby. I found out the hard way 2 years after buying a beautiful Samsung 55 inch flagship model and couldn't even play Reach on it (game mode ameliorated most of it, but not all), let alone something with tight timing. AVS Forums has several good threads that keep running data, and there's a site out there where a guy takes equipment into stores and measures the lag on various sets. I'll find the link.
Site is www.displaylag.com & also check this thread for useful info.
how do you guys input your DP?
I discovered a new method (well new for me) where you just put the stick on forward then slide it down to down forward then slide it back to forward....
I did not know that worked... I always had it on forward then put it on down then down forward and I was always messing up lol.
I discovered a new method (well new for me) where you just put the stick on forward then slide it down to down forward then slide it back to forward....
I did not know that worked... I always had it on forward then put it on down then down forward and I was always messing up lol.
Ace Harding
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Thanks guys. My TV is like 6 years old at least so a little harder to find good info on. Although after doing some searching those older Samsung LCD 720p sets are supposed to be pretty decent with input lag, especially with the "game" setting (which I use).
Since I am getting a larger TV for my new place soon though I will check that guy's site out for a good option with less lag.
In the meantime, I might chalk it up to a combination of arcade stick buttons that don't feel super responsive (they feel kind of loose without a solid snap back), lack of practice with the stick (even though stick motions are fine), and a bit of input lag. Maybe I'll just practice more. In the past couple years I've done more combo practice on the 3DS than the 360 (my wife hates the sound of arcade stick buttons), so I might just be used to slightly different timing.
I definitely don't "feel" the lag. I feel like when I hit LP or whatever it flies right out.
But when configure Rock Band for input lag it definitely calibrates as if there is some lag.
Crazy what a couple dozen milliseconds can do.
I think I'm doing F->D->DF but I think it comes out more like your new method. Whatever it is, it works.
I think you can also double-tap down-forward.
SFIV is pretty loose with stick inputs. Occasionally (but rarely) I'll try to do a super/ultra 2X QCF and a DP comes out.
Since I am getting a larger TV for my new place soon though I will check that guy's site out for a good option with less lag.
In the meantime, I might chalk it up to a combination of arcade stick buttons that don't feel super responsive (they feel kind of loose without a solid snap back), lack of practice with the stick (even though stick motions are fine), and a bit of input lag. Maybe I'll just practice more. In the past couple years I've done more combo practice on the 3DS than the 360 (my wife hates the sound of arcade stick buttons), so I might just be used to slightly different timing.
I definitely don't "feel" the lag. I feel like when I hit LP or whatever it flies right out.
But when configure Rock Band for input lag it definitely calibrates as if there is some lag.
Crazy what a couple dozen milliseconds can do.
I think I'm doing F->D->DF but I think it comes out more like your new method. Whatever it is, it works.
I think you can also double-tap down-forward.
SFIV is pretty loose with stick inputs. Occasionally (but rarely) I'll try to do a super/ultra 2X QCF and a DP comes out.
yeah, thats how i use to do it. but doing it the new way, i found it alot easier to do cause your just doing a line and rubbing it against the wall of the sticks gate.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Yeeeeees, just bought SSF4 AE for PC for $9.99 at GameFly
*goes to plug in 360 MadCatz gamepad, doesn't work*
*plugs it into 360 to make sure annnnnnnd...it's busted*
of course
When I get some money this summer though, I want to join my SF GAF brethren online
*goes to plug in 360 MadCatz gamepad, doesn't work*
*plugs it into 360 to make sure annnnnnnd...it's busted*
of course
When I get some money this summer though, I want to join my SF GAF brethren online
MiniBossBattle
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It clicked for me when someone said forward then fireball and hit the button early.
That shortcut has been a bane since the dawn of SF4. You'll be glad to know that in SF4 you don't have to do a complete 360 motion for a command grab. You just need to do a half-circle plus one diagonal in either direction.
If you plan to not play any other fighting games than use that shortcut to your hearts content. If you do plan to play any other fighting game series it would be better to learn the proper DP input because that shortcut won't work anywhere else.
ROFL omg that worked..... lol!
I can do it the right way, I've been doing it F -> D -> DF for years now, I just supprised and thought it was easier to do it F -> DF -> F
The magic of shortcuts.For more fun shortcuts, switch to Fei Long and do:
Back -> Forward -> Back + kick
For more fun shortcuts, switch to Fei Long and do:
Back -> Forward -> Back + kick
thats so bad..... I was laughing so hard when the move came out... lol
What characters you play? Sometimes you can option select by crouch tech + another button. With Abel, doing crouch tech + fierce will smack them for trying to divekick again. It can still get blown up though, just not with divekick.
You can even shortcut 720s, which lead to walk-up tick ultras. Start with up (tick here to prevent jump), 270 counterclockwise to forward, and then swing back clockwise to up+PPP. It works, and you get like a split second to walk forward.
KOF XIII is the opposite. Motions have to be extremely precise, and are much more complicated, but button press timings are almost irrelevant because of button holding, and there are barely any links at all.
Professor Beef
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The only shortcut I use with reckless abandon is the 360 shortcut, which has been mentioned already. I've been doing DPs the real way for over a decade now, and that ain't gonna change.
I'm gonna try and practice this sometime.
Lenient inputs for people not familiar with fighting games and links are just the results of general frame data.
that makes sense, cause there goal was to draw more casual people unfamiliar with fighting games with SF4
Passive Assassin
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slids
Does this mean you'll tech grabs if he tries to grab you, and that you'll throw out a mp else wise?
Btw, anyone else play with a keyboard?
Tech grabs if he tries to grab, mp will stuff dive kicks or will continue blocking if you're in blockstun.
black_vegeta
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Jtai does
Yup. I'll block if he does a true block string, tech a throw if he tries to throw, and cr.mp if he tries to instant divekick (which then gets stuffed).
If he does a frame trap (<6 frames in between me coming out of block stun and his next normal becoming active), the cr.mp will start up and I will get counterhit, though. So smart Rufus' will realize what I'm doing and start doing actual frame traps.
the joystick shortcut motions really are the worst.
black_vegeta
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I was raised on American HAPP arcade parts, might explain some things.
If you configure it "hit box" style it's not too bad.