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[Infinite Justice]

I wonder if Art's "AE2012" chant was worth it since Dhalsim and Rose changes are known.?

 

[Conceited]

For those wondering, Cross Counter live will be happening here;

http://www.justin.tv/thestreamdottv

 

[Lost Fragment]

Looks like Akuma's demon flip palm isn't an overhead and he gets 2 more frames of recovery on his forward throw. Vortex nerf?

 

[DR2K]

Did Cammy return to being Cammy?

 

[kitzkozan]

I wonder if Art's "AE2012" chant was worth it since Dhalsim and Rose changes are known.?

The twins will probably be hit the hardest with the nerfs, especially Yun so yes and no. I am sure AE2012 will be the better version easily.

 

[Pappasman]

Did Cammy return to being Cammy?

from SRK:

"They want to keep the status quo for Cammy. So the only change here was:

-Heavy Spiral Arrow’s hit properties are back to how they were in SSF4 console (TL note: in AE when you combo into heavy Spiral Arrow, sometimes Cammy will go under your opponent and switch… which is especially bad when you’ve successfully pushed him into the corner).

There are more concrete details to this but I’ll touch up on that later. Too technical for me to understand."

 

[kitzkozan]

Cammy

They want to keep the status quo for Cammy. So the only change here was:

Heavy Spiral Arrow’s hit properties are back to how they were in SSF4 console (TL note: in AE when you combo into heavy Spiral Arrow, sometimes Cammy will go under your opponent and switch… which is especially bad when you’ve successfully pushed him into the corner).

Akuma

• Demon-flip punch no longer an overhead (TL note: this was one of the few buffs in AE I think), so you can now block low for that.
  
• Forward throw now has 2 more recovery frames.
  
• As for buffs, when you cancel a teleport into U2, the damage has been increased to 421.

 

[Conceited]

El Fuerte
• Invincibility returned on Tortilla.

• Reduced charge time on EX Quesadilla Bomb.

• EX Quesadilla Bomb on counter-hit does a wallbounce.

• Fixed the fact that some characters fell out of his RSF (Run Stop Fierce) loop due to recoil.

 

[DR2K]

from SRK:

"They want to keep the status quo for Cammy. So the only change here was:

-Heavy Spiral Arrow’s hit properties are back to how they were in SSF4 console (TL note: in AE when you combo into heavy Spiral Arrow, sometimes Cammy will go under your opponent and switch… which is especially bad when you’ve successfully pushed him into the corner).

There are more concrete details to this but I’ll touch up on that later. Too technical for me to understand."

Well they fixed fucked up nerf number 2, but if canon strike height restriction doesn't go away then they should just remove her from the game.

 

[stabicron7]

Did Cammy return to being Cammy?

Reverted the hk arrow change from the looks, which was about all she needed. Well beyond finding a way to make SBF useful for something.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Akuma demonflip punch no longer an overhead.....no longer an overhead......no longer an overhead.


YES

Fuck you akuma.

 

[Conceited]

Just go here and mash refresh, it's being updated live

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/aug/23/part-2-ssf4-ae-v2012-changes-japanese-dev-team/

 

[vulva]

Well they fixed fucked up nerf number 2, but if canon strike height restriction doesn't go away then they should just remove her from the game.

why?

 

[Lost Fragment]

Don't even try to argue with DR2K. Just let him rant and rave.

 

[DR2K]

why?

Because she's a totally different character.

 

[cHaotix8]

Well they fixed fucked up nerf number 2, but if canon strike height restriction doesn't go away then they should just remove her from the game.

She's fine without that shit. It was way too good anyway.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

She's fine without that shit. It was way too good anyway.

.

 

[Conceited]

Seth
• Tanden Stream damage reduced to 340.

• The damage from Seth's c.HP into Ultra 1 has been altered in terms of overall damage distribution.

• Angled jumping HP now has four more active frames. Overall frame data in terms of startup and recovery were not changed.

• Neutral jump medium kick now has lower body invincibility.

Glad they didn't nerf him that much, I need more Poongko in my life.

 

[DR2K]

She's fine without that shit. It was way too good anyway.

3 other characters have it, and they're even easier and more brain dead to apply. Although if the twins got the same height restriction, I would smile.

 

[Edgeward]

Cammy

They want to keep the status quo for Cammy. So the only change here was:

Heavy Spiral Arrow’s hit properties are back to how they were in SSF4 console (TL note: in AE when you combo into heavy Spiral Arrow, sometimes Cammy will go under your opponent and switch… which is especially bad when you’ve successfully pushed him into the corner).

Akuma

• Demon-flip punch no longer an overhead (TL note: this was one of the few buffs in AE I think), so you can now block low for that.
  

Well, that's two things I'm happy about. Need more good news.

 

[Axis]

Well they fixed fucked up nerf number 2, but if canon strike height restriction doesn't go away then they should just remove her from the game.

lolololololololololololololololololololololol

 

[Imm0rt4l]

digging some of the changes to gouken, but it doesn't look like anything major that shouldn't have been the case anyways. Tatsu will still hit crouching it seems. the old lp palm is now the new medium palm and the new medium palm is the current hp palm which is fucking useless. Nice to see they've removed that. Apparently some stuff to make denjin better which is really needed, but I gotta see it in action.

 

[cHaotix8]

3 other characters have it, and they're even easier and more brain dead to apply. Although if the twins got the same height restriction, I would smile.

The only one that had the same height restriction as her is Rufus and he's the hardest of all the dive kick characters to play. You need to stop crying like a scrub and accept the changes.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Some dude on SRK

Rekka block stun adjusted, after second blocked rekka, most people delay the third one for counter hits. You can now punish delayed third rekka hits accordingly. After blocked 2nd hit of Rekka, Light version 8f, Medium version 10f, Heavy version 12f

(loose translation of this) Flame kick: Light 120 down to 110, Medium 140 down to 120, Heavy 160 down to 150, EX 200 down to 190. Flame kick FADC on block is 1f less on advantage, making it.. ????

F+MK buffed up from 60 to 70

MK Chickenwing nerfed from 30+30+50 (110 total) down to 35+35+30 (100 total)

Fei got off pretty damn light, it seems.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Yeah, I expected much worse.


Maybe there's hope for the twins.

 

[Satyamdas]

Well they fixed fucked up nerf number 2, but if canon strike height restriction doesn't go away then they should just remove her from the game.

Didn't you quit SF4 and run to Mvc3 anyway? Who cares what you think?

 

[vulva]

Because she's a totally different character.

and?

 

[Cloudius12]

Waiting for Gen's The Source's Translations =D

 

[Edgeward]

I still hope Cammy's cr mk is improved. That's been on my wish list for the longest time. Or increased throw range. I will take either.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I believe fei was at 0 for flamekick fadc, so he'd be at -1 now.

 

[DR2K]

The only one that had the same height restriction as her is Rufus and he's the hardest of all the dive kick characters to play. You need to stop crying like a scrub and accept the changes.

Rufus is harder to use than Cammy? What kind of nerfs did he get in AE?

Just read the Fei Changes, lol. I really hope that isn't it.

 

[Conceited]

Need more Fei nerfs.

 

[DR2K]

Didn't you quit SF4 and run to Mvc3 anyway? Who cares what you think?

Did I hurt your feelings?

Hey guys the reason this update is happening is because people "cried like scrubs".

 

[Pop On Arrival]

I'm too stupid to understand the changes to rekka even if it's in plain english. Does that mean it's a lot harder to frametrap people after they block the second hit? bleh.

 

[Lost Fragment]

I'm too stupid to understand the changes to rekka even if it's in plain english. Does that mean it's a lot harder to frametrap people after they block the second hit? bleh.

I think what it means is that anything after the 1st rekka is unsafe no matter what.

 

[vulva]

Did I hurt your feelings?

Hey guys the reason this update is happening is because people "cried like scrubs".

oh

 

[Axis]

Hey guys the reason this update is happening is because people "cried like scrubs".

cammy doesn't need tkcs back. yes, it made for a fun playstyle but she's better overall in AE

 

[Edgeward]

I think what it means is that anything after the 1st rekka is unsafe no matter what.

Well, that's a relief. I was tired of getting trapped all the time with the delay rekkas. ._.

 

[Satyamdas]

Did I hurt your feelings?

Hey guys the reason this update is happening is because people "cried like scrubs".

No, but I've seen your posts in tournament threads where you bitch and moan and whine about SF4, so I'm just wondering why anyone should take your trolls serious?

 

[Cloudius12]

Fei Long
• Recovery frames for the second hit of Rekkas (Light, Medium and Hard) have been changed. On block:
Light: -8
Medium: -10
Hard: -12

• Second hit Rekkas have less pushback now, so it's easier to punish on block.

• For light and medium Rekka Kens, the second hit does half as much chip damage.

• Flame Kick's damage has been revised.
Light: 120 -> 110 Medium: 140 -> 120 Hard: 160 -> 150 EX: 200 -> 190

hahaha

 

[kitzkozan]

Abel

• Cr.HP is back to how it was in Super.
• TT Damage up +10: LP 160 MP 180 HP 200
• Breathless : from startup till active, hit invulnerable. (LOL. People will start trolling with U2, again.)
• Second Low Hit Stun improved, So when you do 2nd Low FADC, you’ll be at +9 at most.
  Meaning that, you can do 2nd Low FADC Cr.HP U1.

 

[Conceited]

hahaha

 

[Chavelo]

You're doing it wrong if you take any of DR2K posts seriously. Personally, I consider him to be the forum's "stream monster".

Kinda balances things out. And come on... he always brings the laughs!

 

[kirblar]

I'm too stupid to understand the changes to rekka even if it's in plain english. Does that mean it's a lot harder to frametrap people after they block the second hit? bleh.

That's the impression I'm getting.

 

[DR2K]

cammy doesn't need tkcs back. yes, it made for a fun playstyle but she's better overall in AE

Well I'll disagree there, we'll see how AE2012 plays out, I'm just glad she doesn't throw herself into a corner anymore.

 

[Arozay]

For those wondering, Cross Counter live will be happening here;

http://www.justin.tv/thestreamdottv

7 mins yeah?

 

[Conceited]

7 mins yeah?

Yes.


Sakura
• Fixed the hitbox on the EX Hurricane Kick. cr.LK cr.LP cr.HP xx EX Hurricane will always work now.

• EX Fireball damage increased. Level 1 release now does 120, Level 2 release does 130.

 

[DR2K]

No, but I've seen your posts in tournament threads where you bitch and moan and whine about SF4, so I'm just wondering why anyone should take your trolls serious?

I didn't like AE so I dropped(play much less than normal) SFIV, AE2012 is looking promising so far, so I'm interested. Not uncommon.

 

[_Xenon_]

Damn feilong got nerfed hard.

 

[Cloudius12]

Yes.


Sakura
• Fixed the hitbox on the EX Hurricane Kick. cr.LK cr.LP cr.HP xx EX Hurricane will always work now.

• EX Fireball damage increased. Level 1 release now does 120, Level 2 release does 130.

...
I'm waiting to see if Sakura gets any nerfs.

Damn feilong got nerfed hard.

I wouldn't say hard. As said before its pretty light.
If Comparing Guile from Super To AE, I would consider that hard.
But in this case, I feel it like Bison from Super to AE.