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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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sixteen-bit
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online stratsXenoRaven said:
Holy Order Sol
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_Xenon_ said:
wat
BotoxAgent said:I hope they nerf Dictator pretty good
wat²
Though you'll probably have your way as Capcom is likely to listen to all the wrong people.
Adam Prime
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Threi said:
Haha I've had one of those crazy links done to me online before too... she does need like three or four stocks, but once she does she can go nuts!
Adam Prime
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Are there pics posted of all the DLC costumes that are coming?
the_log_ride
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Cromulent_Word
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yea taht was pretty.the_log_ride said:
sixteen-bit
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rufus lols at the bolded partThrei said:
I don't understand Balrogs headbutt damage nerf. Headbutt > Ultra already did abysmal damage. I still think he's gonna stay tops depending on other character nerfs and buffs though. A damage nerf just seemed like an unnecessary change since he doesn't really do good damage aside from jump ins and dumb overhead resets. Oh wellz.
Hopefully no one else gets a damage nerf besides Honda. And here's to hoping Dudley gets by with only buffs. It'd be pretty lame if they nerf him and Fei Long gets only buffs.
Hopefully no one else gets a damage nerf besides Honda. And here's to hoping Dudley gets by with only buffs. It'd be pretty lame if they nerf him and Fei Long gets only buffs.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Gouken's asleep_dementia said:
AZ Greg
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Good shit on the changes so far. Especially Cammy's TKCS. Bububu loketests! Anyone who thought most of the reported changes wouldn't stick was kidding themselves. Like I said before, it isn't like this is the first version of the game, AE is technically the 4th version of the game. On top of that, us console players (along with Capcom developers, of course) have essentially been testing the game between arcade releases. As soon as the changes started getting posted online it was obvious they were a focused concentrated effort from Capcom and not just "random" changes cause it was a loketest. Also, lol at the people who thought the build, due to all the nerfs, was a troll by Ono and team. Because we all know that wasting time, money, and manpower for a laugh would delight Capcom executives. :\
That said, Cammy will be fine. Let's just hope she doesn't go the way of the T-Rex like Sagat. The Ryu/Rog changes sound good. Hopefully Ken will also get hit with the runaway air tatsu nerf. With regards to Bison, he is pretty much fine. Just keep the U2 input change so he can't blow up Vega's wall game with it and he's good! Speaking of, can't wait for next week, bring on the Vega tweaks!
That said, Cammy will be fine. Let's just hope she doesn't go the way of the T-Rex like Sagat. The Ryu/Rog changes sound good. Hopefully Ken will also get hit with the runaway air tatsu nerf. With regards to Bison, he is pretty much fine. Just keep the U2 input change so he can't blow up Vega's wall game with it and he's good!
Speaking of, can't wait for next week, bring on the Vega tweaks!
And Rufus nerfs!
If anything, they need to be able to FADC the rose and it needs to do 1 damage.cHaotix8 said:I don't understand Balrogs headbutt damage nerf. Headbutt > Ultra already did abysmal damage. I still think he's gonna stay tops depending on other character nerfs and buffs though. A damage nerf just seemed like an unnecessary change since he doesn't really do good damage aside from jump ins and dumb overhead resets. Oh wellz.
Hopefully no one else gets a damage nerf besides Honda. And here's to hoping Dudley gets by with only buffs. It'd be pretty lame if they nerf him and Fei Long gets only buffs.
Spiderjericho
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Threi said:
DBJ @ the end was ridiculous. Also, he had some great setups.
And as far as the new costumes go. I'll just wait until the all-in-one. Maybe they'll do a special where you get a nice discount for buying the costumes and characters.
Spiderjericho
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AZ Greg said:
Ouch. From watching Momochi, the Ken character is not the all around character/plus useful ultras that Ryu is or the damage/combo/mixup monster Akuma is so if they take the hurricane kick away, what are they going to give him. Air throw? That weird flip kick from CVS? Full hits on U1?
BotoxAgent
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with Guy, they really need to improve his walk speed and adjust his normals so he can have a better footsie game. Anyone with a solid ground game can shut down Guy pretty hard right now :-(
NeoGIF
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Ok, I'm quite fucking annoyed that I can't download the new costume pack due to the new dashboard (I'm in the preview) and the new Xbox.com being retarded.
In the dashboard, when you click to download, it automatically backs you out of the content.
Xbox.com keeps giving errors.
Anyone else having issues? Solutions?
In the dashboard, when you click to download, it automatically backs you out of the content.
Xbox.com keeps giving errors.
Anyone else having issues? Solutions?
"God's Beard!"
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Rice-Eater said:
f+FP, cFP xx EX Joudan, close FP
Gotta be at least 300.
DR2K
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AZ Greg said:
Yeah TKCS went unchanged in the Vanilla and unchanged in Super, both of which were incorporated into her trials as a way to teach players how to use it, they sure know what they're doing.
How is a pressure character supposed to be fine, when you completely remove their ability to apply pressure?
sonicspear64
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That was Sean's wheel kick so no. Although air wheel throw a la Alpha series could be nice.Spiderjericho said:
NeoGIF said:
It's a general problem with that pack - it'll charge you, then it won't download.
They know about it and they're working on it so that once it's fixed and you paid for it already, you can just download it when it works...
http://www.capcom-unity.com/jgonzo/...ternate_costume_download_problem_on_xbox_live
Lost Fragment
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DR2K said:
AZ Greg
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DR2K said:
To say it went unchanged in Vanilla is dumb considering she didn't make an appearance until Vanilla. You do have a point with it not being changed from Vanilla to Super. But as someone who didn't follow the Cammy scene, what was the perception of her going into Super? I know she was picking up momentum and people had good showings with her, but maybe there were enough people like you whining about how "bad" she was that they didn't deem the change necessary at the time. Plus, the two versions of Cammy with non-EX TKCS are only available to us lowly console gamers. Maybe with this being the first available revision in arcades, and the first arcade version with Cammy, they felt like addressing it now. I'm not going to pretend like I know the exact reason they're making the change, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt considering the relatively good balance of the games thus far. And the change definitely wasn't for some insane reason like Capcom just wanting to stick it to Cammy or some other crazy reason fans come up with when their character gets nerfed. :lol
With regards to your second statement, hyperbole much? If she can still jump and then immediately do a CS then it isn't like that move will be useless. On top of that, you can still do EX TKCS. And since Cammy can do decent damage with certain combos (which should be easier in AE) it isn't like she is being nerfed to trash tier. The biggest change this will bring about is Cammy players having to be more mindful of how they use their meter. Unlike now where her meter's main purpose is to FADC bail her out of a blocked Spiral Arrow or Canon Spike.
capcom really hooked guy up. Damn i was surprised actually. 3 frame normal, better standing strong and forward, a WORKING target combo?? wow..overhead being neutral on hit and two hits. Now the only thing pissing me off is that i have to wait half a century for this shit.
~Devil Trigger~
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Viper will be UNSTOPPABLE in Arcade Edition!!!
anotheriori
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Juri in the next batch of changes eh.. Remember the trailer where she takes on both Chun and Cammy... lol
My Requests;
- ex pinwheel more invincibility and unthrowable
- faster walk speed and/or dash
- less recovery for whiffed dive kick
- make u1 not useless heck it should be like yun/yang as a super
- speed up overhead startup, close/far fierce, close roundhouse
- speed up far roundhouse and/or unduckable
- make crouch jab as good as standing short
- make u2 start like a few frames faster
- make hitbox for 1st part of fireball much larger to it doesn't whiff on 2in1, or speed up the move alot so you can store without getting whiff punished.
- ex low fireball does not knockdown
- ex high fireball much faster/further and can catch back jump
- make short pinwheel unpunishable on block
My Requests;
- ex pinwheel more invincibility and unthrowable
- faster walk speed and/or dash
- less recovery for whiffed dive kick
- make u1 not useless heck it should be like yun/yang as a super
- speed up overhead startup, close/far fierce, close roundhouse
- speed up far roundhouse and/or unduckable
- make crouch jab as good as standing short
- make u2 start like a few frames faster
- make hitbox for 1st part of fireball much larger to it doesn't whiff on 2in1, or speed up the move alot so you can store without getting whiff punished.
- ex low fireball does not knockdown
- ex high fireball much faster/further and can catch back jump
- make short pinwheel unpunishable on block
Lost Fragment
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The big thing that will change about Cammy's gameplan, if she can only do strike during the apex of her jump, is her mixup opportunities off of backthrow. Not being able to do strike real low to the ground won't really change much about her tbh. A lot of characters have pretty solid ways to deal with that, and she can already lock down dudes pretty well with her normals w/o strike. And her ability to lock people down with normals looks like it's gonna get better in AE.
So she might actually end up being better at locking people down in general, but the handful of characters that don't have much of an answer to tkcs shenanigans might have an easier time dealing with her pressure. If that's the way it turns out, then I approve of the nerf.
I just wish they would do the same with other top tier characters.
So she might actually end up being better at locking people down in general, but the handful of characters that don't have much of an answer to tkcs shenanigans might have an easier time dealing with her pressure. If that's the way it turns out, then I approve of the nerf.
I just wish they would do the same with other top tier characters.
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USD said:
*shudders. Dude, that sounds like my dad when I was playing varsity sports.
~Devil Trigger~
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he sounds exactly like him too:lol :lolUSD said:
Lost Fragment
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Saw this post by James Chen on srk:
So yeah, quit whining Cammy players. She's still gonna be really good.
So yeah, quit whining Cammy players. She's still gonna be really good.
That post by James Chen is conflicting, because the implication sounds like shortcuts may have been tightened in that area, generally. Just wouldn't make sense to only take away the motion and leave the CS properties the same.
Actually, the shortcut motion works just as well.
rance said:
Actually, the shortcut motion works just as well.
Killa Sasa
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Lost Fragment said:
I'm more inclined to take Wong's word for it here (and I don't think anyone's said she would be bad if it was still possible as he described it), but I'm pretty sure I've also seen (Chunner, who also went to the loke tests iirc) that you can't do the dive after the peak of your jump to punish bad techs and low mashing. Which would be shitty.
The normals buff doesn't automatically give her magic footsies, her dive played a big part of her "ground" game. Unless some of them have some significant hitbox/startup tweaks (not just recovery time, which does help slightly with footsies but is best seen in frame traps or links, in which case you are already rushing down your opp) or the height restriction is how Justin described it, she's gonna have trouble. Grapplers are going to be reeeeeeeeally shitty.
Cannon Spike being more punishable is catering to QQ plain and simple. If you couldn't punish that heavy every single time, you did something wrong.
I guess it's useless to talk about now, since the more subtle stuff is going to be most important now.
And no, I don't think Capcom deserves the benefit of the doubt when remodeling a character completely. Gen comes to mind. I'm more cautious than anything, but I'll be watching for Cammy vids and especially new Yang vids as insurance.
It also riddles me how a design that is good for all the wrong reasons like Balrog can go essentially unchanged for 4 versions. Headbutt getting shittier? If you weren't using it in a combo 95% of the time, it was already a shit move that was easy to punish.
But just reiterate since I rambled, yes, she'll still be good if her dive is like Justin described it. More boring IMO, but probably still good.
"God's Beard!"
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I hope that in the arcade edition, when Vega takes off his mask, he turns into a a character that's more fun to play against.
Lost Fragment
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Killa Sasa said:
Good point. That would be pretty shitty. At least it would still be somewhat useful though.
Bob White said:
Viper's probably one of the most well-balanced characters in the game, so I wasn't surprised when she didn't change much from vanilla to super, and I'm not surprised she's not changing much now.
Really wish they'd give her a little something to make Bison/Honda a little less unfair for her though. Though I guess the Honda match might be a little easier if his damage nerfs stick.
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