Windom Earle
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Need Dudley vids now! Of course Japan is not playing him.
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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT3| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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Lost Fragment
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Man I just fought 3 Makotos in a row. All about the Makoto train, choo choo!
edit: ABOARD
edit: ABOARD
Axis said:YOU STILL DUCKING YO
Yo ugh. On blast.
My bad bro, I've been on all day but haven't seen you. I'm done with finals and etc so I swear we'll get our matches in sometime soon. Bout to hit up some locals to play but when I get back I'll head to IRC and we'll do a FT20-30 since I owe you at least 2 more FT10's haha.
also
VEX!!! <#
Lost Fragment
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Joekage said:
Yeah. Been messing around with a bunch of different characters lately and I figure doing the achivement will give me an excuse to go through the whole cast and see what characters I feel like picking up more seriously.
dragonballjoseph
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http://www.versuscity.net/2010/12/17/super-street-fighter-4-ae-power-players/
1. Daigo Umehara (Yun) 16,067 BP, 89% win rate
2. Matsugoro (Dudley) 13,145 BP, 86% win rate
3. aka jojo (M.Bison) 11,828 BP, 84% win rate
4. opa (Balrog) 11,565 BP, 90% win rate
5. Simba (Abel) 11,321 BP, 93% win rate
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
1. Daigo Umehara (Yun) 16,067 BP, 89% win rate
2. Matsugoro (Dudley) 13,145 BP, 86% win rate
3. aka jojo (M.Bison) 11,828 BP, 84% win rate
4. opa (Balrog) 11,565 BP, 90% win rate
5. Simba (Abel) 11,321 BP, 93% win rate
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Killa Sasa
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dragonballjoseph said:
Snap.
"God's Beard!"
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What the fuck.
Axis
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Joekage said:
haha i'm down. i'll be on all night; i have absolutely nothing to do tomorrow. dem lazy fridays!
i lost to a cody 3 straight times in ranked 2 days ago...apparently slide->throw on every xup is a valid tactic when you can't tech online
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also, the bi-weekly savannah stream is up if anyone wants to watch it; just random ass casuals right now while they're waiting for the augusta players to arrive
http://www.justin.tv/alvien89#/w/658910448/2
come stream monster!
Lost Fragment
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Really surprised there aren't more AE vids by now.
Do the AE cabs have the same recording feature or whatever that the vanilla cabs do?
Do the AE cabs have the same recording feature or whatever that the vanilla cabs do?
sixteen-bit
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Jesus Christ.dragonballjoseph said:
Nice to see some new roster blood at the top though
marathonfool
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Has there been another Capcom fighting game where players ended up liking the previous iteration more than the most current? I can think of Hyper Fighting and Alpha 2 as the closest examples. I hope Arcade Edition delivers. All these changes make me worry.
schennmu said:
Stay Free.dragonballjoseph said:
DryEyeRelief
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the win rates are too high to take the rankings seriously.
Teknopathetic
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"the win rates are too high to take the rankings seriously."
Daigo, Mago, etc. were at 80+% win rate for pretty much as long as people cared to keep track of Vanilla arcade Battle Point rankings. You can look at arcade matches from the end of last year (almost a year and a half after Vanilla arcade came out) and daigo still had an 81% win percentage.
It's more like "The game is only a day old, who cares."
Daigo, Mago, etc. were at 80+% win rate for pretty much as long as people cared to keep track of Vanilla arcade Battle Point rankings. You can look at arcade matches from the end of last year (almost a year and a half after Vanilla arcade came out) and daigo still had an 81% win percentage.
It's more like "The game is only a day old, who cares."
Teknopathetic
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BP was acquired much faster in Vanilla arcade compared to console. You won or lost 100-200~ BP unless your opponent had 10-20k+ less BP than you.
DryEyeRelief
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Teknopathetic said:
It's the same idea. The ten-fifteen percent difference is significant when considering months of matches. Day 1 results, not really.
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All i see is Dudley...dragonballjoseph said:
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Not like I was around for any of these, but from what I've heard:marathonfool said:
* SF2 Hyper Fighting -> Super SF2 (Turbo) - Super moves are a "lame comeback mechanic," among other things.
* SF Alpha 2 -> SF Alpha 3 - All kinds of broken.
* Vampire Savior -> Vampire Savior 2 & Vampire Hunter 2 - More of an alternate version than a true upgrade, apparent from a split character roster more than anything else.
* SF Alpha 3 -> SF Alpha 3 Upper - I assume the A3 community was just accustomed to the original game by the time this revision came out. Dunno though.
* SF3 Third Strike -> The game was ported to Dreamcast with a few quirks in the process, and I believe that Dreamcast port served as the basis for a Naomi arcade upgrade that came later. Apparently nobody plays said upgrade.
* Super SF2 Turbo -> HD Remix - Supposedly a lot of old timers, East Coast in particular, have expressed the desire to return to ST in tournaments.
black_vegeta
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Haven't heard of this Opa fellow...
*searches the Tubez*
*searches the Tubez*
Spiderjericho
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Sixfortyfive said:
I was around for all of these.
1) No one liked Super after Hyper Fighting. The game was slower and everyone was in new euphoria after Samurai Showdown, Fatal Fury Special and Mortal Kombat 2.
2) Every single version of Alpha was broken. The problem with A2 and A3 are the mechanics. I like A2 more than A3 because I didn't like the retarded counter hits, VISM combos and juggles (this is what I hated the most). But A2 had broken alpha counters and custom combos.
3) Agree with the Darkstalkers/Vampire comments. But America never got Vampire Hunter 2 or Vampire Savior 2.
4) Don't mess with cheap or b.s. stuff like unblockables and what not. The Dreamcast like A LOT of home ports was not 100 percent like the arcade edition and changed minute character things. A3 was probably the worst translation as the VISM combos were whacked on PS and Dreamcast.
5) HD Remix is ugly. The music stinks. And some don't agree with messing around with a "classic" or fixing the broken. Or adding more broken (T.Hawk's grab/super not working 100 or Akuma's air fireball being evil as it propels him up).
the_log_ride
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dragonballjoseph said:
I said Gahd Damn!
Any more vids or what?
KidA Seven
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Need to see Daigo's Yun now! I'm really salty over the Ibuki changes.
Edit: Apparently someone over on SRK says that the new TC cr. HK st. HK for Ibuki is god like. He says shotos are more hesitant to throw out cr. MK. It's also great for applying pressure by sjc into it and great for breaking focus attacks. The LK cross up is really different now, which is a huge nerf imo.
Edit: Apparently someone over on SRK says that the new TC cr. HK st. HK for Ibuki is god like. He says shotos are more hesitant to throw out cr. MK. It's also great for applying pressure by sjc into it and great for breaking focus attacks. The LK cross up is really different now, which is a huge nerf imo.
Spiderjericho
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DryEyeRelief said:
I found the final SFIV (Vanilla) power rankings for Reno's site:
Oichi said:
Daigo, Mago, Kindevu, RF, Tokido, Momochi, etc are all going to rack up points, especially if the game becomes popular in arcades. That's going to be hard to tell, especially with VF5 Final Showdown, Tekken 6, KOF XIII, etc.
DryEyeRelief
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Spiderjericho said:
that's bp not win rate.
Spiderjericho
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DryEyeRelief said:
Mago (SG): 11,913 matches, 9,287 wins (77.96% win rate)
Ojisanboy (SG): 10,675 matches, 8,483 wins (79.47% win rate)
Umehara (RY): 9,842 matches, 8,080 wins (82.1% win rate)
RF (SG): 8,003 matches, no data on wins or win rate published
Nemo (CH): 10,940 matches, 8,595 wins (78.56% win rate)
DryEyeRelief
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What the hell - Daigo has over 16,000 BP and not a single person captured any video of him in action? Disappointing.
And that damage reduction to El Fuerte's Ultra Spark is painful.
Even though Daigo was saying Yang is top 3, I hope others continue to believe that he'll be hard to use, as I still want to use him, but not if he ends up being popular.
Makoto being able to do HK Karakusa after MP Hayate - I could cry tears of joy right now.
If Zangief had to do an actual 360 (as in, jump-in to execute it), he'd get worked so hard in SF4 with anti-airs, and would have to rely on normals and perfect spacing to buffer it from normals.
And that damage reduction to El Fuerte's Ultra Spark is painful.
Even though Daigo was saying Yang is top 3, I hope others continue to believe that he'll be hard to use, as I still want to use him, but not if he ends up being popular.
Makoto being able to do HK Karakusa after MP Hayate - I could cry tears of joy right now.
Timedog said:
If Zangief had to do an actual 360 (as in, jump-in to execute it), he'd get worked so hard in SF4 with anti-airs, and would have to rely on normals and perfect spacing to buffer it from normals.
Spiderjericho
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DryEyeRelief said:
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Just showing you since you said it seemed unrealistic. And no actual numbers were shown earlier. But carry on, playa.
And Daigo will inspire the legion to play with Yun if he is indeed viable. There were plenty of Yun players during the TS days. But it's probably going to be a few months before we see how things shake out.
sixteen-bit
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What's wrong with playing a popular character?Skilotonn said:
DryEyeRelief
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Spiderjericho said:
Dude if you don't understand what I'm trying to post, don't try and fake it.
I'll break it down for you: What do you think is easier to get a 100% win streak with? 2 matches or 4000 matches? Two. When you play a large number of matches, something like a 5-10 percent difference in wins is actually significant because the overall matches played makes the percentage stagnant. Something like 70-80 is believable for the top players in Japan, but 90 aint.
There was a poster on srk giving his experiences with abel. he has something like 42/46 (91%) wins and is already considered to be 2nd abel in Japan. But he's not a top player by any means.
Nothing wrong with playing a popular character, I actually choose to play who I click with, I just don't want to be accused of being a bandwagon rider or the like, that's all.
It doesn't matter anyways since I really wouldn't care what other people thought like I do with everything else though.
It doesn't matter anyways since I really wouldn't care what other people thought like I do with everything else though.
Spiderjericho
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DryEyeRelief said:
I understand what you're posting (maybe there's a misunderstanding with what you think I'm saying).
Daigo is probably going to hover around 70 percent with Yun (or higher). His knowledge of SF, footsies and determination will keep him in the top 10 of BP and win percentage. And I would agree that his BP is going to drop some points. I also wouldn't be surprised if he picks Ryu back up as a secondary, so he'll end up like Momochi or another Japanese player I can't recall but had high BP and mained two characters.
If you like Yun, play him. Now if you play the character cookie cutter like then that's another story. Filipino Champ doesn't play Dhalsim like Arturo. Wolfkrone doesn't play Viper like Flash Metroid.Skilotonn said:
DryEyeRelief
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Axis said:
Here's a couple of smart posts I read on shoryuken (whoa they exist?) that touch on this topic:
http://shoryuken.com/f322/does-matt...r-other-people-255052/index3.html#post9742793
http://shoryuken.com/f322/does-matt...r-other-people-255052/index3.html#post9753564
Spiderjericho
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DryEyeRelief said:
Good post. The same also applies with unpopular characters. Take for example VRyu, AZ Greg, Yeb during Vanilla and Mike Ross during Vanilla. The player makes the character not the other way around.
I think the one thing I was amazed about during Canada Cup and the Capcom Fight Club SSFIV stream w Daigo were how Daigo used Guile. It was clear he knew how to use Guile. He understands the footsies, the spacing, techniques, tools, etc. This even came through when he used him HDR also.
And that's a huge difference in characters between Ryu and Guile. Whereas Momochi with Akuma, Ken and Ryu are in the same neighborhood, just stylistic/tool differences.
Lost Fragment
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Yeah I don't understand people who play unpopular characters so they can feel like a unique and beautiful snowflake. Main who you think is the most fun. Fuck what other people think. Unless you're more concerned with what people think about you than you are with playing the character you enjoy the most.
I also don't get why people who play those unpopular characters are sometimes hostile towards people who pick up that character after they get buffed/those characters aren't as bad as once thought/whatever.
I also don't get why people who play those unpopular characters are sometimes hostile towards people who pick up that character after they get buffed/those characters aren't as bad as once thought/whatever.
Rice-Eater
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Over 16k BP and not one match video of Daigo playing as Yun anywhere? I just want to see some match videos of Yun and Yang being played at a high level.
Whatever happened to wanting to win with a character you find fun? Fuerte's the character I like the most (Sakura and Guy are OK, but...) and the only one I'd actually be motivated to practice with. He's not exactly the most popular character, but having more Fuerte's running around would probably only motivate me to work harder to satisfy my superiority complex. :lolDR2K said:
Also: Leaving for paris in an hour for Bushido impact international tomorrow! wish me luck! (I promise that's the last time I'll shamelessly pimp a tournament just because I'm in it. ¬.¬)
hitsugi
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DR2K said:
to some, playing to win IS fun..
or abusing broken shit in games, etc.
everyone has a different definition of these things, but not picking a character because they've become a bandwagon choice? eh.. I think that all comes down to playstyles, as I believe someone previously mentioned.
Take a look at top Akumas, for example. Going back to Vanilla - Momochi, Tokido, Sako and K66 all had completely different playstyles, but were all good with a very popular character. Same for Kaqn, Daigo, Momochi, Poongko, etc. with Ryu. There were little differences that made each of them stand out in some way.
If you like a character, play them.. and if you really like them you should be able to shine above the people that are using them for whatever other reason.
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