robotzombie
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hey guys, I haven't been keeping up much, but I've been wondering, has Cody seen any valuable improvements from AE balancing?
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sixteen-bit
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This Sakura is exposing people.
Spiderjericho
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Isn't the Sakura, Banana Ken?
They're all real good players. The only one getting the short end of the stick right now is Art.
Man, it's crazy. Art can play Rose, Seth, Dhalsim and Fei Long.
Marn can play Viper, Yun and Dudley (and his Rufus is probably a bit rusty but was decent back in the day).
Banana can play Ken and Sakura.
Floe has Rufus, Juri, Sagat, Yun, Yang, etc.
I have 0. I is @$$.
Evo is going to be mad hype.
They're all real good players. The only one getting the short end of the stick right now is Art.
Man, it's crazy. Art can play Rose, Seth, Dhalsim and Fei Long.
Marn can play Viper, Yun and Dudley (and his Rufus is probably a bit rusty but was decent back in the day).
Banana can play Ken and Sakura.
Floe has Rufus, Juri, Sagat, Yun, Yang, etc.
I have 0. I is @$$.
Evo is going to be mad hype.
Spiderjericho
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eissan said:
Well I don't give a flying fuck escorted by a squad of George Bush's as if my name was Time Dog.
I hope Capcom does release another IV update. I can't go to Evo this year because of a kid on the way, but I want to go next year.
And man, I hope Marn is happy with the comp now.
Lost Fragment
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Top 5? lol no. Top 10? Yeah sure.
Anyway, I never said Makoto wasn't good so I don't know what y'all are on about.
Anyway, I never said Makoto wasn't good so I don't know what y'all are on about.
biosnake20
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Thats like saying why do i bother playing any character thats not the best character. And she is easily top 5.Lost Fragment said:
7 hours of streaming everyday till EVO eh? Marn really wants to win, I hope he can at least make it out of pools.
It's funny he used to be the guy everybody used to love to hate, but he's one of the more likable players now. I think fchamp has taken the crown as player I root against no matter who he's playing lol.
Also I agree that Mak is top 5.
It's funny he used to be the guy everybody used to love to hate, but he's one of the more likable players now. I think fchamp has taken the crown as player I root against no matter who he's playing lol.
Also I agree that Mak is top 5.
Spiderjericho
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Imm0rt4l said:
Do you think it's because he's a little more low key? I haven't been keeping up with his tournament appearances but it doesn't seem like he's showing up to as many as he did the last few years.
I'd say Filipino Champ was definitely hated last fall with the match throwing revelation, the Daigo wins and the ish he was talking. Can't really say right now.
Noel Brown, Keats, CEO Jebailey, Tom Brady and a few others have seem to raise people's ire this year.
Professor Beef
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I've definitely noticed the lack of Marn hate. I think it "officially" stopped around the time he had that talk on Cross Counter concerning his EG contract.
Spiderjericho
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That was ridiculous. How big was that combo by Banana Ken?
sixteen-bit
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What did Tom Brady do to piss people off?
Professor Beef
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Laundry list of shoutouts + thinking he's bigger than Shao Kahn at MK, I think._dementia said:
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fei yun yang gouki ken sagat viper cammyConceited said:
I'd put all of them on top of Mak still
im at peace with the fact that SF4 itself keeps Mak from top tier status
biosnake20
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Sums it up perfectlyThrei said:
"God's Beard!"
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Marn's always been my favorite SF4 player, but I liked him better when he wasn't so modest.
Relix said:
HP Fukiage, hold up forward and EX Axe Kick. Sometimes they'll be too far so you have to Kara F.LK HP Fukiage.
I'd put Makoto JUST outside top 5, with Yun Fei Yang Viper Akuma rounding out the top.
IMO her terrible defense brings down her overall rating. Despite her offense being so explosive, sometimes you just can't get it started.
DryEyeRelief
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Conceited said:
All Marn said was that Daigo was free and everyone got offended.
I see the same on these boards all the time about whatever player on stream.
Can you gafers help me out?
I'm trying to learn Ken just cause I don't want to be stuck with one main (which is Juri). I'm working on Ken with vanilla, but I do have AE. I don't know if there is a major difference with Ken from vanilla and AE, but I'm sure there will be some. I'm fairly new to the fighting scene, even though I own SF, MV3, and MK9.
I watch many streams when there isn't much to do. So can you guys hook me up with some BnBs?
I'm trying to learn Ken just cause I don't want to be stuck with one main (which is Juri). I'm working on Ken with vanilla, but I do have AE. I don't know if there is a major difference with Ken from vanilla and AE, but I'm sure there will be some. I'm fairly new to the fighting scene, even though I own SF, MV3, and MK9.
I watch many streams when there isn't much to do. So can you guys hook me up with some BnBs?
Lost Fragment
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jlai said:
This. I don't think a character that's so bipolar can be top 5 in this game.
It's still reasonable to think she miiiiight be top 5, but I don't think she is. Not that I'm really complaining; I think they went overboard with her in a couple of areas, actually. Just semantics and all.
biosnake20 said:
Sometimes I just feel like Yun can do most of what Makoto can do, but for less risk and less damage.
_dementia said:
It's not like I actually know the guy, but from what I know of him from his online presence, he gives me the impression that he thought being a big fish in a small pond meant something more than it does.
Also, this.
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Satyamdas said:
Marn reminds me of the fat nerd in school who didn't know how to talk to girls, was awkward to be around, said random and socially inappropriate things at the wrong time... but once you got to know him he was a cool dude.
He's probably an okay guy, I'm sure. He just comes off as being a bumbling dofus.
Rentahamster
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just watched it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8We4BVPFigProfessor Beef said:
So, is there any sort of writeup on what went down at EMP and EG? I'm not really sure I follow what Marn was talking about at the end with all that stuff about helping Justin leave and stuff.
"God's Beard!"
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Rentahamster said:
Marn got Justin to leave Empire for EG with him, then he wound up getting a deal that wasn't what he thought it was.
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Mak is still no better than Akuma Ken or Sagat imo, she still has more tough match ups then these guys. And almost all the match up Cammy was trouble at, she still troubleConceited said:
Mak is top 10 sure
Lost Fragment said:
To expand further on this, I don't want to sound elitist in any way, but I feel like players that have spent extended match time with Makoto or top players who have spent time grinding out options selects, frame traps, safe meaty pressure, etc. would agree that she is just outside the top 5 because of her lack of defensive tools (Marn briefly mentioned it when he talked about how easy it was to do whatever he wanted to Makoto after he finished destroying me).
The question always was: is her offense good enough to overcome her shoddy defense? With her buffs in AE, it has definitely become easier, which is why I would still rate her high. However, at the end of the day, the characters I listed in the top 5 have a better overall balance as a character, leading to their higher overall ranking in my opinion.
Or maybe its just my own crappy crouch tech spamming defense that gets me in trouble and not Makoto's defense.
RIP Super Rose -- masking my defensive deficiencies with bailout U2. You were the best "business" character I had
AkumaHokoru
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I would say now that her offense is where its supposed to be she is indeed top 5. in super she didnt have her tools...now the only reason she isnt a good argument for top 3 is because of twindledee and twindledumb
I would say Yun Yang Fei Akuma and Mak? in no particular order.
I would say Yun Yang Fei Akuma and Mak? in no particular order.
His command grab recovers faster on whiff too. It also starts up just as fast as lk karakusa. And it has more range. Ex is throw invincible and starts up in 5 frames same as Mak's. It also does zero damage so you don't have to worry about the scaling on GJ.Lost Fragment said:
and they still complain about comboing after the command grab even though they get like a 3 frame window to do cr. mp, s. mp xx whatever. :lol
He has a real DP, his lunge punches are safe at certain spacings or on meatys, and he has a three frame jab. Pretty much her only advantage as a character is that she has a slightly better set of pokes. Basically they gave all the shit to Yun that even I knew Makoto couldn't get away with because she would be too good.
Makoto has no #SWAG "get off me" move, so how can she be top 5? Are you guys smoking that blazegreen? A character cannot be top 5 in this game if you don't have to respect their wakeup that much. It's the same reason dudley gets rushed down on wakeup, but at least he has ex uppercut.
It all boils down to what you can do to them when they have no meter, plus their rushdown options. IMO top 5 is twins+Fei Long for hong kong tier, then right below them is a toss up between Akuma/Seth/Viper for glass cannon tier.
It all boils down to what you can do to them when they have no meter, plus their rushdown options. IMO top 5 is twins+Fei Long for hong kong tier, then right below them is a toss up between Akuma/Seth/Viper for glass cannon tier.
sixteen-bit
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Seth isn't top 5, Poongko is.
His mixups are mad unsafe? His dash isn't any good?!? (yeah dash > spd is just shitty, poor Seth) He isn't supposed to be a zoning character and never was. Like it or not, losing his j.HP has made him in the the character he was always meant to be: heavy rushdown with the best mixup in the game, offset by his low health/stun. But now the muthafucka has 1000 stun and 800 health and does more damage than before. Good Seth players never tried to stand full screen and zone with sonic booms and j.HP. They were in your face mixing you up, getting you stunned and perfecting your ass.SamVimes said:
Seth isn't top 10?
Not even top 10? LMAO. How can he suck at the zoning game when he still has teleport, st.hp and divekick to deal with fireballs? He has wall jump to pressure from full screen and early dive kick to bait anti-airs. The slow walk speed is an issue, but he has all these other tools. The main thing is his health which is really bad, but he's definitely top 10.SamVimes said:
That good is the key. And yes, his mixups are unsafe: if you block a dp or neutral jump an spd you can destroy him.Satyamdas said:
Oh, i like it, the rare time i use him (even in vanilla) i played him only rushdown, to the point that i would never choose him against a grappler, i just don't think he's that good.
He doesn't have 1000 stun and the nerfs to the stomps and the dive kick both hurt his game a lot. And i'm not even talking to the nerfs to both ultras.
Yun, Yang, Fei, Akuma, Viper, Makoto, Sakura, Ken, Sagat and Cammy are all better than him.Good Seth players never tried to stand full screen and zone with sonic booms and j.HP. They were in your face mixing you up, getting you stunned and perfecting your ass.
Seth isn't top 10?
Yes, because they are such horrible characters that it's not even conceivable!
Then again, they have among the highest damage and best mixups in the game.
Seriously, just watch Poongko vs Momochi and count all the unsafe DPs that he did. The fact that he mindfucked him has little to do with the character.
Then again, they have among the highest damage and best mixups in the game.
Seriously, just watch Poongko vs Momochi and count all the unsafe DPs that he did. The fact that he mindfucked him has little to do with the character.
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