Was that like ECC 5 or 6, like the 2nd tourney after vanilla console came out and he had been playing arcade for like 6 months? And after that tourney he just slid further and further down and finished lower and lower? I know you have a hard on for the man, and I am gay for his commentary and youtube vids with Mike Ross, but the man was never a factor as a player son.God's Beard said:What about the tournament where he got second to Justin? Sure he wasn't winning majors or anything, but "never a factor" is a bit much.
Satyamdas said:And I think Triforce understands that, and that is why we see him grinding a shitty retail job at the end of the documentary. Nobody wants to do that kind of work, but bills need to be paid and Triforce is willing to get his hands dirty and earn a paycheck the hard way if he has to. If he refused to get a 9 to 5 and didn't accept reality I would have a completely different opinion of him.
Henry Cen? Well, he'd probably talk all day. Art? Nah... Sp00ky?Kadey said:To quote a big name in the industry who once told me "there's mad infighting politics, shady shit that you will never know about, and never will."
I believe the main reason why Triforce had a larger focus was because Justin moved to the west coast while the movie was being made so they changed it up a bit with the footage they had.Rice-Eater said:I must say I agree with sephi22 about how this movie is just as focused on Triforce as it is on Justin, which is pretty misleading. Going by the trailer you would be led to believe that this was about Justin and his rise to greatness. Instead it's about the politics, drama, and relationship of Justin, Triforce, and Empire Arcadia as a whole. That being said I still found the documentary to be pretty entertaining as it gave us a even closer look at what the hell is going on in there(the Arc I mean).
I'd never stand in line for a system's release, but you can single out any activity and say "Why are you doing _____ right now instead of being more productive?" No one works 24 hours a day and everyone does things at their leisure when they could be working instead. I don't care if he is standing in line for days, on a beach in Maui for days, or locked in his bedroom for days. I'm not going to tell anyone how to spend their spare time.Kadey said:You are talking about a guy who stands outside for days waiting for the latest Nintendo system to come out. There are a million more things he can do to be more productive for his ideal. And the funny thing is, in an interview during the 3DS launch, he had to bring up Justin. It's like he's still trying to use Justin's name to promote the Empire when the guy is long gone.
I love MarkMan like crazy, but let's be real. He is getting paid by MadCatz to travel and promote the company. Same with Gootecks and Complexity. These guys are in fortunate positions where they are making money to travel around and do what they love. If Triforce had that kind of job then I have no doubt he would glady hustle his ass off and promote X company to the best of his ability. He wanted to have Empire be that kind of company where it was ingrained in the scene like MadCatz, but has thus far failed. He didn't fail because MarkMan hustles harder than him, but because ultimately Empire Arcadia doesn't offer a product or service like MadCatz or Complexity. And that is all on Triforce's shoulders. You can't expect to be paid if you are not offering something tangible in exchange.Kadey said:Don't forget that this country is as good as it is because of the system. It is very flawed but having that foundation can lead to greater things.
Marky is working long hours, traveling constantly, being away from his daughter and family in order to achieve his goal. A lot of people make fun of him and give him crap for certain things but he is still doing what he has to do for those people as well.
Gootecks is in a similar mold. He's always on the prowl with how to drive the community forward, also putting in long hours and sacrificing his game while making certain decisions he may not like but have to for the future.
Yeah he is eccentric and weird and pops off a lot at stream monsters and is looked at funny and people think he is shady and he is hated and blah blah blah. I don't care about that.Kadey said:What exactly is Triforce doing? Besides bragging about EMP's past achievements and saying stupid things to stream monsters.
It's like that one guy said in the movie. There seems to always be something big going to happen but it never does. And that's why that guy left seemingly. Chris G left, Perfect Legends left. We don't know why they did but they obviously did not agree with what EMP is doing.
Being on the phone trying to get sponsorships and trying to snatch the latest and greatest players, bringing them in and playing games all day in order to get better and win non-consistent amounts of money is only going to get you so far. Especially in this day and age. The way the economy is right now does not cater to that kind of lifestyle. Prices of everything is going up but your probable income is either equal to or lower than normal. He has to do more than he does.
I don't need a "big name in the industry" to tell me that politics, infighting, or shady shit goes on behind closed doors. That is just common sense. Actually, I'd consider it an insult to my intelligence if they thought I needed to be informed of that fact.Kadey said:To quote a big name in the industry who once told me "there's mad infighting politics, shady shit that you will never know about, and never will."
Or if he represented a "clan" of top athletes, or actors, or music artists. He just happens to have connections with people whose particular talents are not rewarded with millions of dollars. Like I said before, I think if he was an agent for athletes or actors or even fucking authors or some shit he would make a killing. And the reason is that he can cook up that meaningless gobbledygook that people love to hear that makes them think some serious shit is going on.GhostRidah said:Think about this, if Triforce was doing this "clan" thing in starcraft he would be making the money.
Satyamdas said:I'd never stand in line for a system's release, but you can single out any activity and say "Why are you doing _____ right now instead of being more productive?" No one works 24 hours a day and everyone does things at their leisure when they could be working instead. I don't care if he is standing in line for days, on a beach in Maui for days, or locked in his bedroom for days. I'm not going to tell anyone how to spend their spare time.
I love MarkMan like crazy, but let's be real. He is getting paid by MadCatz to travel and promote the company. Same with Gootecks and Complexity. These guys are in fortunate positions where they are making money to travel around and do what they love. If Triforce had that kind of job then I have no doubt he would glady hustle his ass off and promote X company to the best of his ability. He wanted to have Empire be that kind of company where it was ingrained in the scene like MadCatz, but has thus far failed. He didn't fail because MarkMan hustles harder than him, but because ultimately Empire Arcadia doesn't offer a product or service like MadCatz or Complexity. And that is all on Triforce's shoulders. You can't expect to be paid if you are not offering something tangible in exchange.
Yeah he is eccentric and weird and pops off a lot at stream monsters and is looked at funny and people think he is shady and he is hated and blah blah blah. I don't care about that.
I completely agree with the bolded though, and like I said the absence of an actual business plan has left him in this position. I'm not saying "awwww poor Triforce", or pitying him, and I don't expect anyone else to. He has gotten himself where he is by promising things to people he can't deliver and by selling Empire Arcadia as something that it is clearly is not, which is an actual operating business.
I'm not saying we should all feel sorry for him, or that anyone else is to blame for his situation. I'm saying that he comes across to me as a person who had genuine intentions of cultivating a group of top players and building a business on the backs of their skills, but was never able to figure out how to create an actual business operation. Who's fault is it that he wanted to build a company but never had a plan for how it would work and make money? His own. Tough titty if you couldn't make it happen, now it's time to punch that timeclock and get to work. Which he seems willing to do.
I'm sure his vision was to have EMP competing with other "clan" type organizations and everyone making money and eating off of playing games at a high level. Unfortunately that scenario does not exist presently and might not ever, but I don't think a lack of hustle and motivation on his part is the reason that it doesn't exist. It's a pure numbers game and without millions of viewers and big sponsors, making big money in pro gaming is still not happening yet.
I don't need a "big name in the industry" to tell me that politics, infighting, or shady shit goes on behind closed doors. That is just common sense. Actually, I'd consider it an insult to my intelligence if they thought I needed to be informed of that fact.
Think about this, if Triforce was doing this "clan" thing in starcraft he would be making the money.
Lost Fragment said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtvEH4Mrg5w&feature=feedu (NSFW language)
I think my favorite comment so far is "Hugo has really lost it."
I'm not completely sure what's going on here, but I know some internet drama is afoot, and I loves spectating me some internet drama.
1. I think what MarkMan pulled off at MadCatz is nothing short of miraculous. Dude deserves every accolade he gets, probably deserves a raise, and is seriously a fucking boss. Just his tournament grind alone is insanely impressive. The man is everywhere at once. Always professional. MarkMan is so based he can fuck my bitches.Kadey said:Of course he's getting paid. But do you know why he is getting paid? No, he didn't just stand around and wait for shit to happen while spouting what ifs and what cans. He himself went to a company with a bad reputation and decided what would be going down. Marky is a huge reason why MadCatz is blown up to a level they've never reached before. So yeah, he deserves all the limelight and benefits he has gained thus far. Went from a arcade stick designer working very very long hours and never really being able to have a say in anything to a community manager between the company and the FGC itself. Personally I don't think he gets enough credit. Let's be real that MadCatz would not the the revived company that they are without him.
I don't doubt that Triforce isn't hustling but I don't see him making nearly as much of an effort to get to another level. And yeah for those companies, you have to work 9-5.
That is a great point. The contrast between Sp00ky and Empire is very stark. Sp00ky provides a valuable service and has proven that he is qualified and reliable in providing it at a high quality. Then you have the Empire which can't even clearly articulate what service it is they provide. So we have seen Sp00ky's stock rising and Empire's falling almost in an inverse proportion even though they are not really related with each other. Ultimately I think it comes down to Triforce just not being realistic or pragmatic in analyzing the pro gaming landscape all those years ago, and also not having any alternate route or backup plan in case his main project didn't work out, which it hasn't.Kadey said:Yeah. I agree. At this point I think he just does and says stuff for the hell of it. Even bad publicity is good publicity. Anything to keep people aware of you. But it's way past the point of defending what you stand for. Time to take action. But what? It's been ten years?
Team Sp00ky today is what EMP should've been. But you can clearly see the differences between the two. While EMP has more tournament success in terms of winning, TS has done more for the community in the aspects of getting more viewers and people into it as well innovating things. Unlike Triforce, Sp00ky isn't hiding behind his players. And despite not really playing the games he is very knowledgeable on them and doesn't make any stupid claims. Don't touch his equipment or he'll fuck you up though.
It's amazing how things turn around though. You don't have to like the working system but don't insult the people who don't even necessarily like it but have to go with it.
Lost Fragment said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtvEH4Mrg5w&feature=feedu (NSFW language)
I think my favorite comment so far is "Hugo has really lost it."
I'm not completely sure what's going on here, but I know some internet drama is afoot, and I loves spectating me some internet drama.
PsychoSoldier said:I do have to wonder whether or not Team Madcatz considered putting EMP under their banner instead of DMG.
Dahbomb said:Guys I am now currently hardcore into SSF4AE. Where can I find combo/block string lists, help videos, frame data and other information on particular characters. I have always been a SSF4 scrub (I used to play Balrog and Rose, now I am trying out newer characters especially the twins).
Most importantly Yun. Thanks in advance.
ZLATKO I FOUND YOU!!!! You lost the UMVC3 bet!!! Game has 12 characters and has Vergil too. You owe me.... something I don't know...
Dahbomb said:Guys I am now currently hardcore into SSF4AE. Where can I find combo/block string lists, help videos, frame data and other information on particular characters. I have always been a SSF4 scrub (I used to play Balrog and Rose, now I am trying out newer characters especially the twins).
Most importantly Yun. Thanks in advance.
ZLATKO I FOUND YOU!!!! You lost the UMVC3 bet!!! Game has 12 characters and has Vergil too. You owe me.... something I don't know...
Satyamdas said:Unfortunately he seems to have a severe a disconnect with reality, because he doesn't seem to acknowledge that a business needs to offer goods or services in order to survive or even exist in the first place.
Mine too. The scene with him talking to those two girls in Keystone II was awesome. Shows how chill the dude is.God's Beard said:Yeah I watched King of Chinatown earlier and I think Gootecks was my favorite character. They made it seem like he saw through everything instantly and was the legitimate version of Triforce. Henry Cen was great, but he always has the best stuff to say no matter the occasion.
That's a pretty good analysis. Agree 100%Satyamdas said:As someone on the outside looking in, Triforce has always come across to me as a guy with his heart in the right place and who is passionate about gaming, but who doesn't have anything even remotely resembling a business plan. And so the way things run in the Empire just come across as mad shady, and it's why dudes like Henry Cen troll so hard about the guys in the ARC living off Chef Boyardee and Spaghetti-Os, tourney winnings paying the rent, and "contracts" drawn up on napkins. It's why there are so many ex-members.3
No, I don't think soThe Take Out Bandit said:Random question: Is there a way to get a clear pause in the game? Any mode, I'd like to pause the game and observe some minor character details without menus getting in the way.
PS3 version.
Thanks.
Oh come now. Can you imagine a world withoutRelix said:Eww we don't need Yun players. Shoo shoo.
BotoxAgent said:Funny how these people like emp try to make a living from competitive gaming. But guys like daigo who actually hold a real job comes in and takes all the big money pots anyway, lol.
Air said:Poongko is in japan now and going even against most of the players except nekojitq abel (#1 abel)
None of them (Japanese players) know the match up, but he is going even with kazunoko (#1 overall in arcades)
Welcome to xbl scrubs.Crisis said:netplay shenanigans.
I'm pretty sure you are giving an angry troll far, far too much credit. They just aren't that clever.Skullkid said:I turn the voice volume down all the way by default on PSN. Too many idiots. That still does not stop them, though. I had one guy message me last night to "die of cancer" after beating him a few times in Endless. It wasn't until a little later that I figured it was a reference to me playing as Gen, but still uncalled for.
personally, I think they're all frauds, those damn trolls.Satyamdas said:I'm pretty sure you are giving an angry troll far, far too much credit. They just aren't that clever.
Satyamdas said:I'm pretty sure you are giving an angry troll far, far too much credit. They just aren't that clever.