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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT3| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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Lost Fragment
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Yo, since everyone that went to Evo got a free copy of AE for PC, if someone who went already has it for PC and gives me their copy, I'll be their best friend for life <3
GhostRidah
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lol
Sir Garbageman
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Lost Fragment said:
Ditto!
I'd be willing to buy it off you as well...
I can at least name one person happy with the upcoming patch.
It doesn't matter to me either way. But I'm all about getting every character to be as even as possible so there's less whining about running into certain matchups.
JTV sent me a where the hell are you email. My stream will be upgraded in two weeks time. Can't wait.
It doesn't matter to me either way. But I'm all about getting every character to be as even as possible so there's less whining about running into certain matchups.
JTV sent me a where the hell are you email. My stream will be upgraded in two weeks time. Can't wait.
In terms of balancing...people always focus on the top half of the roster being balanced and always completely ignore the bottom half...having a char that's F tier, far below everyone else is just as bad as having a char that's S tier, far above everyone else. Yes Super was relatively balanced, but don't act like it was the pinnacle of game balancing or anything, its just that the upper half was balanced, that's all. The lower characters still had terrible matchups to deal with. Problem is, there are a million voices there to change the char that hard to deal with at the top (or the 3rd strike char who has a couple weaknesses that are UNACCEPTABLE), but no voices for the person who uses the underutilized char, so they just get repeatedly glossed over.
I say stop focusing on bringing Yun down, and focus on bringing Hakan up.
I say stop focusing on bringing Yun down, and focus on bringing Hakan up.
Terareflection
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Wow, you deserve a medal.Threi said:
stabicron7
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Threi said:
Cause Capcom is likely to take the lazy way out, far easier to nerf the top than to buff everyone else.
I wish it were otherwise though.
Diprosalic
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PC version buy or no buy? especially for europe online action.
Diprosalic
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Corky said:
overall or on GAF? how's online?
you probably kick my ass
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
This is one of the big drawbacks to having such a huge cast in a Street Fighter game and why I hope SFV tops out at 15-20 characters. Odds are that a change to address one bad match-up is going to change several other match-ups along with it. There are just too many moving pieces.stabicron7 said:
If Capcom knows how to make this game all 5-5 match-ups and give us 39 fun characters, fantastic. Reality is that the more changes they make, the more likely we are to see unintended consequences. Sure, I'd love it if every character felt as good as AE Yun, but I don't think that's realistic. If the patch could give us 10-15 tournament-viable characters who are all roughly as good as each other, then I think sacrificing the rest of the cast is worth it at this point.
This patch is for the hardcore because we're the only people left. Capcom has made all of the money they're going to make off the casuals already, so I sincerely hope that Capcom tunes the game with the tournament scene as the priority. I loved that Dhalsim and Rufus were both winning tournaments in SSFIV and want to see that sort of balance back. I want offense and defense to be equally good. I hope this is a light touch to smooth out the edges and that no new characters are added.
All 5-5 matchups all across the board? Fuck that.
I like that every character (well, almost) has a weakness and bad matchups, i loved how in super you could destroy Sim with Abel and then get mauled by Gief, Akuma and Cammy. Learn to work around your character's weakness, i prefer a really diverse cast (in which at least a character per archetype is tournament viable) than a really balanced one.
I like that every character (well, almost) has a weakness and bad matchups, i loved how in super you could destroy Sim with Abel and then get mauled by Gief, Akuma and Cammy. Learn to work around your character's weakness, i prefer a really diverse cast (in which at least a character per archetype is tournament viable) than a really balanced one.
Professor Beef
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Make Blanka's electricity require 10 button presses.
Professor Beef
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One of Ibuki's TCs whiffs completely on Blanka. smhSamVimes said:
DryEyeRelief
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SamVimes said:
Well it's never going to happen. It's like asking for world peace.
Diprosalic
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Corky said:
i bought it. add me on steam i gladly let you whop my ass.
sixteen-bit
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Can't wait to see how they Nerf Seth.
sixteen-bit
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Top 3 @ Evo: Viper Seth FeiUSD said:
No twins.
Yellowcorn
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USD said:
The thing about Viper... there are like 4 people in North America and a few more in japan who can do what makes her good, the barrier for entry is SOOO high... how do you nerf her without making her utterly AWFUL at a level of play anywhere beneath top?
I mean, you balance for the top... but I just have no idea what they could do that won't make average Joe Viper weep.
Ultra damage reduction I guess...
Hah.
Like I said.
The EVO thread, best GAF thread this year.
Daigo wouldn't win EVO. I knew he was going to get blown up because his Yun really isn't far superior to the rest of Japans. Viper does huge damage and that Ultra is very good. Yun's health is his greatest weakness and it was exposed in top 8. I have a lot more respect for Latiff for running through three big names. He took the best Viper crown from Wolfy in my opinion.
I should be sleeping but damn, I'm all hype. Both Marvel and AE were hype.
Fighting GAF. We'll continue to blow up the community. ♥
Like I said.
The EVO thread, best GAF thread this year.
Daigo wouldn't win EVO. I knew he was going to get blown up because his Yun really isn't far superior to the rest of Japans. Viper does huge damage and that Ultra is very good. Yun's health is his greatest weakness and it was exposed in top 8. I have a lot more respect for Latiff for running through three big names. He took the best Viper crown from Wolfy in my opinion.
I should be sleeping but damn, I'm all hype. Both Marvel and AE were hype.
Fighting GAF. We'll continue to blow up the community. ♥
Heavy's Sandvich
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Love how Seth still doesn't seem to rate Poongko.
That's the major dilemma, but she is really strong.Yellowcorn said:The thing about Viper... there are like 4 people in North America and a few more in japan who can do what makes her good, the barrier for entry is SOOO high... how do you nerf her without making her utterly AWFUL at a level of play anywhere beneath top?
I mean, you balance for the top... but I just have no idea what they could do that won't make average Joe Viper weep.
Ultra damage reduction I guess...
BotoxAgent
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Don't nerf fei or viper. Fuudo and latif just played a solid game.
Lost Fragment
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Great stream, great experience. Hopefully I'll be able to make it next year.
How many of the characters in top 8 do well against the twins, though? The number of twins in top whatever isn't the only thing that's telling. Most of the characters that made top 8 do well against the twins, except maybe Seth and Akuma. Don't know how how those matches go exactly. Tokido looked pretty free to Daigo, but I don't know enough about the match to say it wasn't just Daigo being beastly. Or Poongko being Poongko when he murdered Daigo.
The things I talked about earlier in the thread--reducing frame advantage from her burning kicks and reducing her damage a tad--wouldn't hurt her that much. I don't think. But beyond those things, I don't know how you could change her much without possibly fucking her over too much. She's just one of those characters that if you change something even slightly, it might really weaken her.
They could pull a Cammy on her and improve her normals but weaken her mixups, but I don't think they're gonna do that. I dunno, though. I don't see her making it through the patch unscathed. She's gonna be top 3 when the current s-tier gets nerfed. Viper in top 3 isn't near as bad as the twins in top 3 though.
_dementia said:
How many of the characters in top 8 do well against the twins, though? The number of twins in top whatever isn't the only thing that's telling. Most of the characters that made top 8 do well against the twins, except maybe Seth and Akuma. Don't know how how those matches go exactly. Tokido looked pretty free to Daigo, but I don't know enough about the match to say it wasn't just Daigo being beastly. Or Poongko being Poongko when he murdered Daigo.
Yellowcorn said:The thing about Viper... there are like 4 people in North America and a few more in japan who can do what makes her good, the barrier for entry is SOOO high... how do you nerf her without making her utterly AWFUL at a level of play anywhere beneath top?
I mean, you balance for the top... but I just have no idea what they could do that won't make average Joe Viper weep.
Ultra damage reduction I guess...
The things I talked about earlier in the thread--reducing frame advantage from her burning kicks and reducing her damage a tad--wouldn't hurt her that much. I don't think. But beyond those things, I don't know how you could change her much without possibly fucking her over too much. She's just one of those characters that if you change something even slightly, it might really weaken her.
They could pull a Cammy on her and improve her normals but weaken her mixups, but I don't think they're gonna do that. I dunno, though. I don't see her making it through the patch unscathed. She's gonna be top 3 when the current s-tier gets nerfed. Viper in top 3 isn't near as bad as the twins in top 3 though.
Rickenslacker
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Man, what a good EVO. Top quality play as always, and I couldn't have asked for anything better than the Poongko versus Daigo match. Poongko's showmanship is gdlk.
Latif made it to Grand Finals in EVO while constantly spamming EX Seismos every time he was under pressure, spamming Burn Kicks, and spamming her HP Thunder knuckle. Anyone who has seen him play before knows that is how he has always played. And basically all he did was prove to me that the herp derp of a character can carry you a looooooooooooong way. Why did Fuudo win? Because he played fucking BRILLIANTLY. Super smart positioning and great defense. Isn't it interesting that a player can just autopilot a bunch of dumb shit with Viper and go far, but in order to beat that Viper a player must play like a goddamn genius? I don't give a fuck about her execution, that shit can be learned by anyone who puts in the time. She is still an autopilot derpfest of stupidity and Capcom fucked up by including her stupid ass in SF4. That ninja/clown hybrid concept character that didn't make the cut should have been in instead of her.
How to nerf Viper? Easy. Damage and stun need to be reduced, big time. Burn Kicks need to be less safe. Also, being able to do a jump in attack and then do a crossup Burn Kick instead of land is just absolutely retarded. Get rid of that dumb shit, plz. Of course, none of this will happen and I bet she is untouched in the balance patch except for maybe an U1 damage nerf.
How to nerf Viper? Easy. Damage and stun need to be reduced, big time. Burn Kicks need to be less safe. Also, being able to do a jump in attack and then do a crossup Burn Kick instead of land is just absolutely retarded. Get rid of that dumb shit, plz. Of course, none of this will happen and I bet she is untouched in the balance patch except for maybe an U1 damage nerf.
Heavy's Sandvich
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