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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT3| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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FindMyFarms
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Spiderjericho said:
Oh yeah if you're just talking strictly people playing the game then yeah sf2 had more people, they were just all casuals that popped into the 711 on the way home and what not. But yeah the Sf4 scene and amount of actual hobbyists blow sf2 out of the park.
You gonna make it out to FR mang!!?!?
sixteen-bit
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I have to see that command normal on the screen. Is it like an armor move or something?
~Devil Trigger~
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its not that big of a deal really
its a normal that gets around Fireballs, Gen has one, Ibuki has one....ect
I think things like Twin palms and and Rose's reflect are more potent, they actually punish the opponent by getting free meter.
its a normal that gets around Fireballs, Gen has one, Ibuki has one....ect
I think things like Twin palms and and Rose's reflect are more potent, they actually punish the opponent by getting free meter.
Spiderjericho
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FindMyFarms said:
Can't. I have a baby on the way, so I have to go home in March. And then I promised a buddy to go to Wrestlemania with him in Hotlanta.
I'd like to. I'm moving to the East Coast before summer, so I hope there's a decent scene in the VA area (which there is, just not sure how far from where I am).
"God's Beard!"
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FindMyFarms said:Wow... I never would have expected to hear that from you seeing as cvs2 is the complete antithesis of 3s
I really like the idea of characters replacing rounds. It helps the game auto-balance itself to a certain extent.
I love 3s, but I don't think it's a really well made game. Parries are too inflexible a system and they force the game to be played a certain way. There needed to be more of a gimmick to them, maybe meter cost for a successful parry guess or something. Or maybe builds up your own stun? The way it is, there's no reason not to parry if you can do it. There's a little less thinking, so the player base gets really top heavy towards execution-oriented players with a huge knowledge base like Kuroda.
Jojo's comeback mechanics are more subtle. There's pushblocking that moves the opponent a character or two away, a counter that does a little damage and can't be followed up, unlike 3s, and chip damage doesn't kill. My favorite thing about SF4 is killing people with chip damage, but I do think it's handled really well within the mechanics of jojo's bizarre adventure. It's like Steve Harrison said, I don't want to get hit unless I let the other guy hit me. In SF4 or Marvel, there are situations where the game is determined before the final hits. That doesn't happen in Jojo or CVS2.
My real favorite mechanic in Jojo are how flexible dashes are. In SF4, back dashes have invincibility. In Jojo, they're completely vulnerable, but you can walk cancel them at any time, and do sliding normals DURING the dash. It's almost like having a constantly oiled hakan in AE. Plus, there are like 5 different jump types(normal, short, super, super hop, double) and air techs so movement feels really good unlike Street Fighter where you're always sliding around.
Then you get to the meat of the game, tandem unblockables, throw loops, leveling up, stances, insane fake crossups, and you really have more fun than any other game. It's the pacing of marvel with the intensity of street fighter.
capcom is pulling E Ryu and Oni videos off of youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY1mi28a2tM&feature=player_embedded
sixteen-bit
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Wow, hardcore.esbern said:
It was fun while it lasted.
Lost Fragment
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_dementia said:
It's their property, so yeah, they could if they wanted to be dicks.
Yep. Like I've said. Capcom must be really angry about the whole leak.
But it's their own stupidity. Should know by now that codes can be broken. They would have fared better with some kind of transfer service or simple time release.
What's funny is Ono joking about all this when his superiors obviously aren't pleased.
But it's their own stupidity. Should know by now that codes can be broken. They would have fared better with some kind of transfer service or simple time release.
What's funny is Ono joking about all this when his superiors obviously aren't pleased.
sixteen-bit
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Wow, JR Rodriguez' whole Youtube account got terminated.
BotoxAgent
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fuck man, Mike and Gooteck's youtube also has some footage....they should pull those out...because I will be really sad if Capcom terminates their account
Sick SF3 sprite art of Oni and Evil Ryu.
http://shoryuken.com/f11/[oni-evil-ryu]-sf4-characters-sf3-sprites-195149/index20.html#post10140562
http://shoryuken.com/f11/[oni-evil-ryu]-sf4-characters-sf3-sprites-195149/index20.html#post10140562
Lost Fragment
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I don't think the account bannings and such are gonna be permanent. Probably a disconnect between legal and PR or something because pulling videos isn't going to benefit Capcom. It's just gonna piss people off. Shit's out there, so it's gonna stay out there.
Spiderjericho
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That's pretty jacked up. The cat is already out of the bag. You can't take it away. Japanese players already know. China leaked it, so I'm sure it's already in the wild in Canada, USA, Australia, Europe, etc.
"God's Beard!"
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Kimosabae said:
I'm not saying top-heavy as in the best players are so much better than intermediates, I mean there's only one type of player on the top.
SephirothRK
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What does this mean for Ono?
http://p.twipple.jp/BGd6A
http://p.twipple.jp/BGd6A
Spiderjericho
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Saw this on SRK, here's the video with the Wolfkrone controversy:
http://shoryuken.com/media.php?do=details&mid=9086
http://shoryuken.com/media.php?do=details&mid=9086
"God's Beard!"
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Kimosabae said:
Ok, I don't think we're on the same page here. I'm talking about a game that only rewards one type of playstyle, regardless of diligence, will and knowledge. People who use parries the best win at a high level. They're too strong, and there's almost no punishment. If you spend 10,000 hours learning how to zone people out, you're still only going to get so far.
In ST, you can zone, you can rush down, whatever. You can play footsies for years in CVS2. In Jojo's bizarre adventure you start getting some real variety. Street Fighter 4 rewards creativity more than 3rd Strike. Sure, SF4 starts to cap off earlier than 3s due to the mechanics of the game, but at least you can reach that level with different strategies(3 of them!). Hell, that's my main problem with almost every Street Fighter game. The strategies are too similar. It's whoever's the best at abusing invisible boxes. You get to a certain point, and there are fewer and fewer things to think about.
In Jojo, hitboxes are pretty insignificant compared to the properties of your moves. Almost every character plays the game significantly differently than the previous one. Some characters can turn into two characters. Some characters can preload combos. Some characters can siphon off the screen and change the properties of their moves. Some characters can stop time. There are drastic gimmicks that make playing each match radically different from the last. You could say the same thing for Marvel 2 if it weren't for the tier imbalance. Marvel 3 looks even better.
In Street Fighter, you basically have fireball characters, mixup characters and grapplers. Ryu, Ken, Sagat, Akuma, Guile, Dan, and now Evil Ryu. They're all the same fucking dude with adjusted sliders on their stats. How many characters have real flavor? Hakan?
I like SF4, and I like 3s. It's just so goddamn boring compared to what a fighting game could be. Maybe I'm just tired of measuring out ranges for crouch fierce into forward medium kick to set up an ambiguous crossup. Look at Tokido, Mago, Daigo, Arturo, Wong, Champ. Everything is so fucking measured. I don't even know how I got on this tangent, that's how frustrated it makes me. I think I'm too tired to be posting right now.
"God's Beard!"
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Ok, that Wolfkrone shit is pretty fucked up.
FindMyFarms
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Hmm... with regards to pausing, the usual snippet added to official rulings is "pausing that affects the outcome of a game will result in the lose of a round." So if someone paused in the middle of giefs ultra when the other player has 20% life left, that's not grounds for assigning a DQ.
In the Wolfkorne/Flash match though Wolf still had life left after the ultra. The debate then is whether the pause mid ultra affected wolf. Ultimately the ruling is at the discretion of the tournament organizer and NOT the player. That scenario is a gray area though.
edit - just want to add though that if flash paused INTENTIONALLY then that's immediate DQ, but its clear it was an accident as he unpaused it right after.
In the Wolfkorne/Flash match though Wolf still had life left after the ultra. The debate then is whether the pause mid ultra affected wolf. Ultimately the ruling is at the discretion of the tournament organizer and NOT the player. That scenario is a gray area though.
edit - just want to add though that if flash paused INTENTIONALLY then that's immediate DQ, but its clear it was an accident as he unpaused it right after.
God's Beard said:
Again, I don't think I misunderstood you, I was just speaking abstractly because those traits tend to be rewarded more in a game where execution and knowledge are paramount, I think. Your example of a game that rewards those traits seems to be 3S; I'll concede that, but only because I haven't played that game competitively despite my love for it.
Obviously, variety is ideal, but when it comes to fighting games especially, those are the two things I want rewarded the most - execution and knowledge. Any arbitrary attempts to lower the ceiling on those elements to emphasize strategy and mind games is met with condemnation from me. Hence, my dislike of Sf4.
Team Wolfkrone here. On an accidental pause taking the round is some bitch shit, but that isn't what happened in this case.Wolfkrone said:
It wasn't accidental. Flash paused to get up and dance and taunt. Then he didn't confirm w/ Wolfkrone before unpausing, he just unpaused like he was the Game Master. So everyone giving Wolfkrone shit about "honor" needs to look at what Flash did, because his actions already broke this imaginary code of "honor" they have in their heads. Don't want to get called out on a technicality? Don't break the rules to taunt like a jackass. Pretty sweet to see his troll backfire in his face.
And I like Justin but damn he sounded like a fucking moron.
Wrong dude, he paused it so that he could get up and dance and taunt, and then unpaused it when he was done trolling and sat back down.FindMyFarms said:
FindMyFarms
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Satyamdas said:
What? not even close. If you watch the video he clearly pauses it on accident as he's sitting down after standing. He wasn't even dancing lol. He just stood and swolled up for a moment.
Regardless though, the point is that if it's intentional then yes, dq that shit immediately but that's not what the video is showing me. If proof pops up that he was doing it on purpose? Then the decision was justified. But i could honestly care less about the two, i just got riled up when i saw a bunch of people misinterpreting rules.
edit - i still think that the decision is justifiable since wolfkrone wasn't dead yet and the round wasn't determined. You could make an argument that the pause affected his mental state in the match.
"God's Beard!"
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FindMyFarms said:
The ruling is ALWAYS at the discretion of the player, that's the whole problem. Everyone knew what the rules were. It's the fact that Wolf decided to take the round as a way to win that he wouldn't have gotten is what's fucked up. He had no ultra, a 50% life deficit, he was knocked down and the next special would have chipped him out. If Wolf would have said it was cool like most players, they would have played on. Instead he kept the round.
"God's Beard!"
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Satyamdas said:
He paused to taunt because he assumed the dude was dead. The ultra wasn't finished and wolf had very low health.
See that's bullshit though. What would've been cool is if Flash could've resisted the urge to be a taunting jackass. Why should Krone have to be "cool" about some fool taunting in his face and then pausing the game so he can be ready for his wakeup? If anything taking the round is a nice taunt back at Flash.God's Beard said:
Watch the video again. When he pauses it, it's after the ultra was finished and it was clear Krone wasn't dead, so he paused it really quick to get situated before Krone's wakeup. If he didn't stand up to taunt, he wouldn't have had to pause it.God's Beard said:
Also, the ruling is NEVER at the discretion of the player, it's at the discretion of the judge. I just think had it been a legit accident Krone wouldn't have taken the round, but it was clear that he had to pause it to get ready after his taunt.
FindMyFarms
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God's Beard said:
Naw, the TO just wasn't assertive. Accidental pauses by winning players in ultra scenes where you KNOW the other player would lose have been called out on before in both majors and local tourneys, and failed to get the DQ assigned. At EVO they actual had refs behind each match to keep an eye on stuff like that.
Satyamdas said:
I didn't talk to anyone that was there, all i had was the video and that's not the easiest thing to deduce from that clip lol but sure, if that's the case then the DQ was justifiable.
Some people think that he paused so he could stand up and taunt though, which isn't what happened.
God's Beard said:
Is there a way to prove that he was in a situation where it was 100% certain that he could not avoid being killed on wake up? Especially in a manner that would not rely on an assumption that the other player did not make an error?
The thing about rules is that they should immediately resolve a situation. If we have to play theory fighter to determine whether a DQ is warranted or not then the rule isn't working. I would say the round being forfeited is appropriate if the player that did not pause the game does not decline the penalty.
Technically Flash losing the round for pausing when the Ultra didn't kill him may indeed be right, but I think the point is that a third party should make the final call. From the sounds of it Wolfkrone simply took the decision upon himself, which seems... questionable, even if he was in the right. I mean he could have just refused to carry on until a judge or organiser was called in to make the decision.Satyamdas said:
Also, watching the video it's kind of hard to read a Flash's intent one way or the other. Maybe he did do it on purpose, but it's by no means clear cut from the video... again someone else other than the two players should have made the call.
GotchaForce
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Scrub question but why is it ok to pause during a killing ultra? Can you skip to the next round quicker? Is it just for taunting someone and rubbing it in?
DryEyeRelief
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robut said:
The idea is that if you pause during a killing ultra, the round would be over anyway, so it doesn't affect anything within the fight.
The reason it usually doesn't result in a DQ is because a pause during an ultra doesn't affect the outcome of a match. Now if you were to pause in the middle of a DBJ combo, that totally throws the flow of the match off and screws the offensive player. Players sometimes reflexively press start during cutscene animations out of habit to skip them or speed things up, but since neither player is in control of their character it is dismissed and the match continues.
In this case the pause ALSO didn't affect the flow of the match, but because the reason for the pause was Flash's standing and taunting, Krone decided "fuck that" and took the round. Lesson? Don't be a taunting jackoff and you don't have to worry about technicalities biting you in the ass.
In this case the pause ALSO didn't affect the flow of the match, but because the reason for the pause was Flash's standing and taunting, Krone decided "fuck that" and took the round. Lesson? Don't be a taunting jackoff and you don't have to worry about technicalities biting you in the ass.
FindMyFarms
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Satyamdas said:
Lies! Pauses alone can't stop that DBJ rushdown
SATYYYYY!!! Nice avatar! <3 sasquatch!Satyamdas said:
I'll be back next month. I'm moving out after lots of family drama(don't worry I'll tell you all about it via gafchat!). Actually Mr.SNK from SRK realized makavelo was a booster, not me(he played his many alt accounts, plus some internet detective work). IIRC makavelo didn't even tried to defend himself. Also when you started to beat him he started to dodge you/kick you out of his lobbies.
LOL, will try to do my best regarding jlai... Altho offline play has spoiled me since I've been practicing EX hands combos(preparing for honda's AE damage nerfs) and I've tried to pick up viper and I can see lag screwing me up on both accounts... I can only hope I'm considered middle tier in the GAF scrub list!
I remember my shock when I found out that wolfkrone's GT was porkloafking... I was like "hey it's that very nice viper player I used to play and mostly beat(even tho he's clearly the better player) just because that matchup is so stupidly in honda's favor and lag doesn't help him at all". But he never ever dodged/kicked me and it was never easy, he made it look like it was in his favor most of the time(I always had luck or lag helped me). Still it's a retarded matchup!FindMyFarms said:
LeMaximilian
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Played Evil Ryu once tonight, got like a 5 game winstreak. He seems alright, but not incredibly interesting. Overall felt like a worse version of Akuma. His new axe kick move seems like total crap, could never find a use for it yet.
Although, his walkspeed seemed pretty good. Burning 3 meters for low forward FADC U2 is cool n all, but I feel like he really needed an air fireball. At least that U2 looks badass as hell.
Although, his walkspeed seemed pretty good. Burning 3 meters for low forward FADC U2 is cool n all, but I feel like he really needed an air fireball. At least that U2 looks badass as hell.
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