And that is a worthy cause.
Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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And that is a worthy cause.
I agree. Revolution is unfeasible in the US.
What I'm saying though is that Hillary ignores one of the primary elements of an intersectional analysis of oppression and exploitation in the US, which is understanding that capitalism itself is a problem. Not "corporatism", not "crony capitalism", just capitalism. Bernie is much closer in understanding this than she is but he has moved away from his more radical past.
I think Bernie has shown, rather clumsily but still, that he is trying to integrate race and gender into his analysis, It's pretty obvious that's what he was trying to do during his "ghetto" comment, considering how he first framed it with the (obviously not poor) black Congressman's taxi issue. So while I think he can get better on that front, Hillary will never get better on critiquing or challenging the structures of capitalism itself, because she doesn't see it as a problem.
I'd be interested to hear what her opinion is on basic income or how to prepare for automation.
metalslimer
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I actually had forgotten about that
boiled goose
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Bernie is old.
So are Hillary and Trump. All would basically be the oldest presidents on record.
Yeah, Bernie I could buy at his posted age.. but damn Trump and Clinton look younger. From appearance alone, Clinton looks about 50 and Trump about 60.
boiled goose
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Basically wrecked the thread. Well done hahaha. Hypocrisy of Hillary supporters on full display
Those are the faces that millionairs and billionairs can buy.
I'm assuming she has had work done, but I don't know for sure.
Looks mean a lot to voters, sadly.
Most likely, but in going to go to sleep pleased that he laid a goose egg in the currently reporting states.
Flying Toaster
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perfectchaos007
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Wonder if they'll be able to make a projection in Hawaii in 25 minutes
Rentahamster
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I don't think the "socialist" label is that hurtful to Bernie in the general as some think. It didn't hurt pres Obama very much, and democrats by and large are going to vote for Bernie anyway if he's the nominee.
The socialism boogeyman is overrated in American politics, IMO.
The socialism boogeyman is overrated in American politics, IMO.
I would argue that Hilary has aged quite a bit in the past eight years. Her time as secretary of state and that health scare did a little number on her.
Based on Bernie's record, he'll be fighting both Democrats and Republicans in Congress if he's elected. Its why none of his proposed bills ever actually pass.
That said, I might be a Bernie supporter if not for his supporters. It worries me the way they feed into the "untrustable" or "liar" memes about Hillary, or the insinuating attacks. Its the basic dirty politics he claims to be fighting against. Its soured me on the man.
lol Rachel Maddow with the ultimate solution to Marco Rubio's post-election unemployment problem:
"He should run in Puerto Rico!"
I didn't think there would be a bigger loser out of this whole circus than Jeb, but Rubio's coming close, fast.
Kasich getting delegates tonight while Rubio blanks out is my favorite thing to come from the night.
MHWilliams
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This is what happens when the people decide. How many people have, in previous elections, said "eh, I'm not gonna vote, all the politicians are the same" or "eh, it's a waste of time, voting won't change anything".
Bernie is telling us that if we stand up as a collective, we can accomplish great things.
I'm very happy and proud of what he's accomplished, but it's important to remember that it's not about him. It's about us.
This has always been the point. You get the government you vote for. Your vote is always important which is why I say you need to vote and put your vote to good use. If you don't, the responsibility falls on your shoulders just as much as the next guy.
I'm predicted that it will be cruz in first, rubio in second, trump in third and kasich in fourth.
maabus1999
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Course it is and honestly that is his goal. I really don't know if he truly wants to be prez since 80% of the work now is foreign affairs or administrative decisions...especially without 60 votes in the Senate or the House undèr control.
If it wasn't for television, Nixon would've (most likely) been elected President eight years earlier.
boiled goose
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It also doesn't hurt Bernie as much as it would someone more partisan.
He is not partison, he is a populist, he is principled. People recognize that. Even if they dont agree with his policies, they dont mistrust his intentions.
They cant call him an evil socialist. just a socialist haha.
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maabus1999
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Clinton pledged delegate haul tonight is 84. Sanders 67. Clinton projected +17 pickup.
boiled goose
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This is amazing.
TurboButts
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So I'm uneducated on the subject of super delegates. I get that Sanders is down on delegates, but why is everyone assuming Clinton has an overwhelming number of super delegates support, making her lead look insurmountable? They don't vote until the convention right?
It won't be amazing for long unless he flops in Hawaii.Kasich should have more delegates than him at the end of tonight even with Hawaii.
I think Marco was a victim of being in a crowded field of too many candidates that were similar. If it was a smaller field from the start (like the current four republicans and Carson) he might have been able to grab momentum.
It doesn't help that he self-destructed himself too.
Macho Madness
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Yes. Most have already said they'll support Clinton. It's their choice what they do with their vote. Yes, it's un-Democratic but also yes it's been this way for a very long time.
And no, superdelegates have never gone against the will of the people. They tend to go with the candidate with the most pledged delegates.
Even without superdelegates, it's a really hard fight for bernie.
InsaneZero
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This is what happens when the people decide. How many people have, in previous elections, said "eh, I'm not gonna vote, all the politicians are the same" or "eh, it's a waste of time, voting won't change anything".
Bernie is telling us that if we stand up as a collective, we can accomplish great things.
I'm very happy and proud of what he's accomplished, but it's important to remember that it's not about him. It's about us.
I'm not sure if that juxtaposition between your text and your image is meant to be ironic.
More importantly, I'm not sure if getting the guy you like into the executive branch is enough to be considered a great accomplishment. At the end of the day, he's still only one guy in one branch of government that has one primary responsibility who can't even make any laws that change things.
boiled goose
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They will probably fall in line with the pledged delegates in the end.
Your Entertainer
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This is some good stuff - when I saw it I figured it would get at least a few people
Vestal
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The real brutal lead is in pledge delegates. 200+ pledge delegates..
Math right now is against Bernie. He has to win HUGE in big states to make up for it.
Unless Bernie overtakes her in the regular delegate count, the superdelegates have no motivation to switch sides, so we can effectively count them for her.
TurboButts
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So is it kind of unprecedented that superdelegates change their mind? Are they basically a lock for Clinton?
Democrats abroad ends today as well right? That's 17 delegates at stake.
Unless Bernie overtakes her (and even then) they're unlikely too.
Unless Bernie overtakes her (and even then) they're unlikely too.
I'm fine with bernie staying in. I just don't think it looks likely at this point, especially with his recent social faux-pas media attention.
maabus1999
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Here is the one thing blunting Sanders great win tonight: Marco Rubio and him failing so badly. Media is all about this.
metalslimer
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Sanders is down massively even in regular delegates. She has double Obamas biggest lead and that lead was already huge
Macho Madness
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They'll change their mind if Bernie has a clear pledged delegate lead.
Probably not going to happen.
Flying Toaster
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This is correct. But she is pivoting the super delegates to pledge for her publicly to increase her chances.
Why Sanders support is so vocal and happy is because even though she is winning in delegates he is closing major gaps such as in Michigan.
The worry is Republican voter turnout so far is higher...
No, it's unprecedented to have superdelegates go against the primary voters and flip a primary. But regardless of superdelegates, Hillary has a hard lead to overcome.
True, at this point aside from Massachusetts, which was a close victory, she is a regional candidate from the south. I see her doing bad in the rust belt. California might actually matter this year and not that much visual support for Clinton in the bay area.
He's in it until June and he's won more non-southern states then Clinton, gonna get interesting.
maabus1999
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99%. very few switched in 2008 between Obama and Clinton during the actual primaries, and she is double the 2008 pledged delegate lead Obama had.
It's not so much the label, it's what the label means.
Later in the year, should Bernie be the nominee, the Republicans are going to hammer home the fact that Bernie is running on a platform of raising your taxes and less choice. nd if anybody doesn't think that'll be effective, we got a taste of it last week with the discussion surrounding his tax plans.
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If Clinton goes on stage and eats a baby allowing Bernie to win big states by huge margins (people don't like baby eaters...at least I'm assuming so until Trump does it) and catches up with her regular delegate amount. Then the SD will be more likely to change their minds.
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