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bionic77 said:
Yeah dude, my point was that it was all Sexy Rexy...
He made plays when he had to. There's not much to debate here.
SuperBowl XLI Indianapolis Colts vs. Chicago Bears - AND A BLACK MAN SHALL LEAD THEM
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Yeah dude, my point was that it was all Sexy Rexy...
He made plays when he had to. There's not much to debate here.
Grossman plays good for one series and he "makes the plays when he had to"?
The Bears lead for pretty much the entire game even with Grossman going a laughable 5-20. Stop giving credit to Grossman for a game he didn't play well in. He just helped turn the contest into a laugher. The Bears were still winning when he had his one good series in the game. Or are you going to give Grossman the credit for all of the fumbles? I think the fumbles and the Bears defense had more to do with that win than anything else. But, lets just kid ourselves and give Rex all the credit.
This isn't like when Brady stank it up for 50 minutes and led the Pats down to win a game they had no business winning. That is making plays when you have to.
I gave Grossman credit at the beginning of the year when he was throwing very accurate passes down the field. And now I am calling him out for playing like total dogshit. He doesn't seem to be the same player since that game he had in Arizona.
The Bears lead for pretty much the entire game even with Grossman going a laughable 5-20. Stop giving credit to Grossman for a game he didn't play well in. He just helped turn the contest into a laugher. The Bears were still winning when he had his one good series in the game. Or are you going to give Grossman the credit for all of the fumbles? I think the fumbles and the Bears defense had more to do with that win than anything else. But, lets just kid ourselves and give Rex all the credit.
This isn't like when Brady stank it up for 50 minutes and led the Pats down to win a game they had no business winning. That is making plays when you have to.
I gave Grossman credit at the beginning of the year when he was throwing very accurate passes down the field. And now I am calling him out for playing like total dogshit. He doesn't seem to be the same player since that game he had in Arizona.
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The power obviously does not belong to the Genius or to Brady, it's all with Vinatieri. Course, I suppose there's still a chance he misses the game winning FG in the SB and rips off his jersey finally revealing the swerve while the Genius comes running out of the tunnel to hit Manning with a chair to the back.
I just hope Peyton gets this one so he can be solidified as the greatest QB of all-time. Dan "I'll Advertise ANYTHING" Marino was the best in reality, but no the SB rings cloud will never go away... so let's just go ahead and make it official that Peyton's the best once the Colts win.
worldrunover
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Denny Green was fired as well, so there's less now.
DarienA said:
If you compare coaching to other major positions in the job world (such as CEO's, COO, etc.), I imagine coaching has to be the position in which black men are the most prolific. Considering that percentage is low (they're more common in the NBA), it's unfortunate, but they seem to be given a better shot at success than most other fields.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it - I have picked against the Colts in every game in the postseason so far, so I'm picking the Bears. I believe I actually went as far as to say that anyone who thought the Colts were going to do anything in the playoffs was out of their mind. Hmm...
Meier said:
I honestly have no idea what the point of your post was... that's not a knock on you... I just have no idea what the you just said, or the point you were making.
impirius said:
Please take this in a polite tone, because that's really how I mean it. But that comparison IMO makes no sense.
Anyway more on topic I just want this to be an enjoyable game to watch.
andthebeatgoeson
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You know, I hope the media picks up the whole, 'Tony Dungy finally has a chance.' I'll live thru more sappy stories about his family and his son's death. Anything more than the black thing. Yeah, it's a notch. It's slow progress. It's nothing to shout about, when black coaches are not really in abundance. I'm proud of Tony. That's why I root for the Colts.
Lovie had something to do with Leonard Little, right? Do you support terrorism? Then why murdering drunk guys (think of the white women)? A vote for Chicago is a vote for terrorism. Vote Dungy, 2006 Super Bowl Champ. 100% less drunk murderers. 100% less drunk kickers. The colts have no drunks on their team.
Lovie had something to do with Leonard Little, right? Do you support terrorism? Then why murdering drunk guys (think of the white women)? A vote for Chicago is a vote for terrorism. Vote Dungy, 2006 Super Bowl Champ. 100% less drunk murderers. 100% less drunk kickers. The colts have no drunks on their team.
DarienA said:
My point is that even though the percentage is low (15% in the NFL, probably about 25-30% in the NBA I'd guess, similar in the MLB, probably 0% in the NHL), black men most likely have a better chance at becoming a major figure in coaching than they do in any other position of importance in the 'corporate world'. Nothing to deep about it, but at least they are actually given a chance to succeed in coaching where they might not be in other fields.
Either way, I am really happy for Tony -- he deserves a ring and I'll always think fondly of his years at TB (same with Lovie, but on a lesser scale as he wasn't the head coach).
thats my point, Big ben played like shit in the super bowl and the steelers won, but for some reason ppl are turning a blind eye to that
grossman just wins baby, i think the bears match up really well with the colts, if grossman can make some plays like this week, limits his mistakes, he can certainly lead the bears to the super bowl championship
grossman just wins baby, i think the bears match up really well with the colts, if grossman can make some plays like this week, limits his mistakes, he can certainly lead the bears to the super bowl championship
yacobod said:
Fixed.
Peyton also won his first two playoff games this year and played like absolute crap. Yes teams can win any game without great qb play. You are not the first person to discover this. I never said the Bears can't win (though I doubt it), I just said Grossman has played horribly up to this point and isn't the key factor to them winning.
Big Zep said:
not really
lets see what happens then during the super bowl before declaring that grossman is going to play horribly, because up to this point he hasnt played horribly in the playoffs
was he shaky yesterday in the 1st half? absolutely. did he make plays down the stretch to help the team win? hell ya.
obviously the bears defense, special teams, and rushing attack deserve a lot of the credit for yesterdays win, but grossman contributed to the game as well
to say anthing else is just hate
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The Colts are 7 point favorites because the AFC is perceived to be so much stronger and Grossman has a 50% chance of being a QB grease fire leading to a Colt blowout. Also Vegas likes nice round numbers for the Super Bowl since there's so much action on it. They like the line at 3 or 7 points.
Rex Grossman
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Postseason - 2006 32 64 426 50.0 6.66 68 2 1 3 75.4
Is that what you would consider great play? Completing 50% of your passes? 75.4 passer rating? What exactly are you impressed with here? Am I missing something?
And just so we never forget lets look at Rex's stats for that unforgettable night in Arizona (where the Bears won mind you).
6 @ARI W 24-23 14 37 144 37.8 0 4 10.2
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Postseason - 2006 32 64 426 50.0 6.66 68 2 1 3 75.4
Is that what you would consider great play? Completing 50% of your passes? 75.4 passer rating? What exactly are you impressed with here? Am I missing something?
And just so we never forget lets look at Rex's stats for that unforgettable night in Arizona (where the Bears won mind you).
6 @ARI W 24-23 14 37 144 37.8 0 4 10.2
Big Ben was lights out in that Colts game last year. He came out absolutely throwing hot fiyah for the first quarter. He dismantled Indy's D last year like I haven't seen an offense do during the playoffs in quite a long time. Every hole that there was, he found it with a WR or RB outta the backfield. That first quarter against Indy last year was Ben's greatest achievement as a pro QB yet. Then Cowher shut him down... typical.
Anyways, if you wanna slam Ben, do it, but just don't use last years playoffs as an example.
Anyways, if you wanna slam Ben, do it, but just don't use last years playoffs as an example.
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A key will be the health of starting cornerback Nick Harper. The Colts secondary is really good. I seriously can't remember ONE big passing play on them all year. I'm sure there was a 50 + yarder but I honestly don't even remember one. But if Harper is hurt it means Kelvin Hayden starts and he is the worst CB in the history of the NFL. The Pats absolutely abused him yesterday and he got away with that PI in the end zone.
bionic77 said:
hahahaha
nice
first a couple of posts above you say that grossman has played horribly in the playoffs, now you are saying that he hasnt exactly played great, make up your mind dude, i never said he has played great in the playoffs, but he certainly hasnt played bad, hes been average, and has managed the ball games for us
ok i can play that game too
do you want me to post the stats from the 7 games grossman had over a 100+ qb rating this season (including games of 114, 137.4, and 148), but i won't because the regular season is over, who cares about that now, only 2 teams are in the superbowl
sounds like sour grapes to me
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whytemyke said:
Fair enough. We'll just limit it to the Super Bowl. Worst QB performance in a SB ever. And yet they still won.
Big Ben is a good young QB, with a promising future, but he gets far more love than he deserves at this point.
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Ok I was at the Bears game last night and was sitting at the Fifty. Grossman didn't play terrible. In fact I would say he played well, but far from great. He made about 3 poor throws, but his receivers also dropped a sizeable number of balls and the Saints did a good job on the rush and in pass coverage forcing him to toss some balls away. Here are his 3 bad throws.
#1. On the bears first scoring drive. Grossman had Des Clark WIDE open in the end zone. Grossman had all day to throw it too. All he had to do was just toss him the ball. Somehow he throws it SUPER high and out the back of the end zone. There wasn't an easier pass all game and somehow he missed this one. If the bears didn't stomp the saints I would almost have said Grossman was trying to throw the game.
#2. Same drive as #1. Grossman has McKey wide open in the flat for the TD and he somehow manages to throw the ball into the guys arm who is on the ground after a cut block. People might say this isn't a bad pass, but there is no way the ball should have been deflected. Just a poor poor pass.
#3. In the third while the bears are struggling a bit on O, Grossman has Muhsin open running a deep cross. Grossman puts too much on it and it sails too high. Muhsin gets a hand on it and it luckily is not picked off. Still those are the types of passes that get picked.
So there they are. Those are the only 3 bad throws he made all game. #1 and #2 cost his team points. #3 was just dangerous, but happens. Overall though he played well. If his receivers actually caught the balls he delivered them. His numbers would be more like 17/26 for 200 yards.
#1. On the bears first scoring drive. Grossman had Des Clark WIDE open in the end zone. Grossman had all day to throw it too. All he had to do was just toss him the ball. Somehow he throws it SUPER high and out the back of the end zone. There wasn't an easier pass all game and somehow he missed this one. If the bears didn't stomp the saints I would almost have said Grossman was trying to throw the game.
#2. Same drive as #1. Grossman has McKey wide open in the flat for the TD and he somehow manages to throw the ball into the guys arm who is on the ground after a cut block. People might say this isn't a bad pass, but there is no way the ball should have been deflected. Just a poor poor pass.
#3. In the third while the bears are struggling a bit on O, Grossman has Muhsin open running a deep cross. Grossman puts too much on it and it sails too high. Muhsin gets a hand on it and it luckily is not picked off. Still those are the types of passes that get picked.
So there they are. Those are the only 3 bad throws he made all game. #1 and #2 cost his team points. #3 was just dangerous, but happens. Overall though he played well. If his receivers actually caught the balls he delivered them. His numbers would be more like 17/26 for 200 yards.
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Ben even lit up the Broncos more than the Colts last year. The fake he put on Champ with the TD throw to Wilson was great stuff. But that's neither here nor there. Like with Ben last year, the week off will probably hurt more than help. I hate the extra week before the SB, always have always will. I think it has a lot to do with why we usually get great championship games and then boring as hell SBs.
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
Love? Are you kidding me? He's forever been labeled "game manager" by the media while Philip Rivers got more respect while handing off to LT.
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:lol #2, Stephen A is saying that Reche Caldwell was high on the field. :lol!!!
:lol #2, Stephen A is saying that Reche Caldwell was high on the field. :lol!!!
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Spectral Glider said:
I hear the national media going on and on about Rothelesberger all the time. Youngest QB to win a Super Bowl, how he has set the expectations higher for other young QB's, etc. And while I have heard some praise for Rivers as well, a little unwarranted at this point imho, I haven't heard nearly as much for him as for Ben, in no small part because he won the Super Bowl.
Personally, I don't think either of them deserve the praise just yet. Rivers hasn't been asked to win games for the Chargers yet, just don't lose them. Big Ben was the same way his first few years, but this year he was expected to step up and start to win games and become a leader. He had mixed results, partially for off field stuff like the accident and having to have his appendix removed, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I think Rothlesberger has a bright future. I think he's going to be good, I just think he's played up a bit too much just yet. The jury is still out on Rivers. He seems to have all the tools, and I think he has good upside, but we need to see more of him, and we need to see him win games when LT is having an off day or is injured or what ever.
How much more can Ben have done in his first three years? He played so well that it is going to be difficult to live up to the standard he has already set. What more do you want in a qb? He is tough, mobile, and very accurate.Kung Fu Jedi said:
Ben will win at least one more Superbowl before his career is over. He is going to tear shit up next year with a chip on his shoulder and when he finally comes back healthy.
I hope Tomlin doesn't try and force the 4-3 if we don't have the personnel, but I am confident on the offensive side of the ball that the Steelers are going to be good next year.
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Miguel said:
As a Cowboy fan, I'd have to say the fall back wasn't all that far. Parcells leaving isn't too big of a shock, although I would have liked to have seen him stay around another year. But they were 9-7, which is pretty much the definition of mediocrity. The line was a problem all year long, and Roy Williams is just plain awful in coverage. Jeremy Shockey makes him his bitch every time the Giants play the Cowboys.
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bionic77 said:
I've kind of already answered this in a post above. The Steelers didn't win the Super Bowl because of Ben, they won in spite of him. His first season he was asked to manage the game and not lose it, and he did do a great job. Far better than what you should expect out of a rookie QB. Last year was much the same. Good, ball control offense, Bettis there as a leader, and a one-two punch in the running game. Rothelesberger was asked to make some plays to help them win, and he did from time to time. But he also came up short from time to time. This is what you would expect out of a QB in his second year in the league. Making progress.
He played well in the playoffs for the most part, but was awful in the Super Bowl. The numbers bear that out. They won anyway, and he's the youngest QB to ever win. Great honor. Except he personally did very little to win the game. Still, the got the ring.
Fast forward to this season, Bettis retires, and Ben struggles. He's asked to do more than in the past, and, as I said in the other post, off-field things limit him somewhat. By the end of the year he's made progress though, which again, is what you want to see out of him.
I also expect him to play much better next year. As I said above, I don't hate the guy at all. I really do think he's got a bright future. I was just a little tired of some of the accolades that I heard about him in the off-season leading up to this year by the national media. I heard comparisons to Brady, because he won a Super Bowl at such a young age. Those comparisons are just a little pre-mature if you ask me. I don't think he's an elite QB JUST YET, and certainly not because he has a ring. I do think he's on the path to becoming one however.
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