SuperBowl XLI Indianapolis Colts vs. Chicago Bears - AND A BLACK MAN SHALL LEAD THEM

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I think one of the things that is overlooked is the fact that Grossman doesn't have to play a great game in order for the Bears to win. Its not like he is Peyton Manning and the Bears are counting on him to throw for 250 yards and 2 or 3 TD's. All Grossman needs to do is limit the dumb plays and the turnovers and let his running game and his defense win the game for him.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070122

sports guy on the colts/pats game

Bill Simmons said:
We had it.

Those are three words you never expect to say as a Patriots fan. Not during the Belichick-Brady Era, anyway. But after a truly remarkable AFC Championship Game – Colts 38, Pats 34 – those were the only three words I kept saying. We had it when we were driving inside the Colts' 20 with a 21-3 lead. We had it when we kicked the go-ahead field goal with five minutes left. We had it when we stopped Manning three-and-out. We had it on our own 40 with 3:30 to play, needing only a first down to finish the game.

We had it.
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LOL at people saying Brady can't take a hit. He is the best QB at throwing under pressure. Peyton is the guy that can deal with pressure. Peyton's game is so textbook. If you get good pressure on Peyton he gets that deer in the headlights look that his Daddy and brother get and will start throwing shit up. Peyton only started playing good in last nights game when the colts started running good, keeping the pats on their heels. When a team can get a good pass rush on Peyton he turns into a true Manning.

One thing that Manning has had that most QBs don't ever have is a great oline. And the funny thinig is he has had this for is whole career. Must be karma wheel in acton paying his Daddy back who played for the Saints.
 
:lol Well.. marijuana possession is kind of a lame duck arrest (unless it was Nate Newton-type possession), but that's what he gets for spelling my name wrong. There's no h in the Jon part of Jonathan, dammit!
 
LiveWire said:
Speaking of Manning, $20 says there's a commercial within the next two weeks (or during the Superbowl itself) poking fun at him finally making a Superbowl--maybe even starring Manning himself!
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They already have the crow commercials where they show what people were saying 6 months ago.


Speaking of crow, none of the ESPN guys are eating it even though they were all talking about how the Pats would dominate and if you wanted a QB for the last few minutes of regulation, it would be Brady 100%. Vinatieri won those games for NE and now he's with the Pats! Once I saw they had a 4 point lead, I knew Brady wouldn't be able to mount the win because it would require the TD.

I'm still pumped about having 100% picks right in the playoffs. What should I spend my winnings (1025 bux) on?!

A blazer and a watch?!

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or...Bo Jackson Jersey! (750 bucks)
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Rorschach said:
They already have the crow commercials where they show what people were saying 6 months ago.


Speaking of crow, none of the ESPN guys are eating it even though they were all talking about how the Pats would dominate and if you wanted a QB for the last few minutes of regulation, it would be Brady 100%. Vinatieri won those games for NE and now he's with the Pats! Once I saw they had a 4 point lead, I knew Brady wouldn't be able to mount the win because it would require the TD.

I'm still pumped about having 100% picks right in the playoffs. What should I spend my winnings (1025 bux) on?!

A blazer and a watch?!

p3272353dt.jpg

p3116675reg.jpg


:lol

or...Bo Jackson Jersey! (750 bucks)
p3282040reg.jpg
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The Oakland Raiders are preparing to make a run at Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall).


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Rorschach said:
Speaking of crow, none of the ESPN guys are eating it even though they were all talking about how the Pats would dominate and if you wanted a QB for the last few minutes of regulation, it would be Brady 100%. Vinatieri won those games for NE and now he's with the Pats! Once I saw they had a 4 point lead, I knew Brady wouldn't be able to mount the win because it would require the TD.
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Steve Young, Joe Theismann and I think Chris Berman were the only people on ESPN who picked the Pats to win. If anything, they should all be eating crow over the Saints loss because EVERYONE picked against the Bears (except Ditka, which is a given).

Vinatieri didn't win anything by himself. He kicked plenty of GW field goals, but like any kicker, he needed his offense to get him the field position, and that's why even after last night, Tom Brady is still the QB that you want on your team at the end of a game. Yeah, Vinatieri's clutch, but I'm sure a lot of other kickers could make at least a few of the key kicks he made with the Pats - most of the clutch ones weren't for longer than 40 yards anyways, and both SB winning kicks were indoors.

I'm sure I sound bitter, but I'd be much moreso if Gostkowski hadn't been so solid this year. Losing Deion Branch, Willie McGinest, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc over the years have all been equally (if not more) "oh shit" worthy to me.
 
Good thing Parcells is leaving. He was their best chance at taking over the division. Here's hoping they give Chan Gailey a call.

Edit: I'm glad he quit so late. Now, they'll have to scramble. See Jerry Jones, talk to your coach before you bring a loud mouth WR into the fold. Who's available?
 
It's amazing that everyone picks against the Bears, even in the Super Bowl. According to the radio, Vegas already had the Colts -7. Unbelievable... the Bears have the better offense and defense than the Colts, and defense wins championships, and we're still major underdogs. F the haters.
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Two reasons people will not give them much of a chance going into this game:

01. They were 2-2 against AFC teams this year, and the AFC East was not the best division like it was two and three years ago

02. One thing that I actually think helps the colts is the fact that they beat better teams to get to the Superbowl. Ravens were 13 - 3, Patriots were 12 - 4 (forget the Chiefs, they didn't even know they were in the playoffs). The Bears beat a 9-7 team by three points and then just sort of pulverized a 10-6 team that was 1-3 against AFC teams and maybe not as hot as people made them out to be.

That said, it seems a lot like the Eagles of two years ago where they clearly were a cut above the rest of the conference and could rightly be placed along side the top two or three AFC teams (although they never did return the favor of the Steelers pounding them into the ground...).

If they can keep this game close, not have their defense play like pod people in the second half, they have a chance at winning it.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I've kind of already answered this in a post above. The Steelers didn't win the Super Bowl because of Ben, they won in spite of him. His first season he was asked to manage the game and not lose it, and he did do a great job. Far better than what you should expect out of a rookie QB. Last year was much the same. Good, ball control offense, Bettis there as a leader, and a one-two punch in the running game. Rothelesberger was asked to make some plays to help them win, and he did from time to time. But he also came up short from time to time. This is what you would expect out of a QB in his second year in the league. Making progress.

He played well in the playoffs for the most part, but was awful in the Super Bowl. The numbers bear that out. They won anyway, and he's the youngest QB to ever win. Great honor. Except he personally did very little to win the game. Still, the got the ring.

Fast forward to this season, Bettis retires, and Ben struggles. He's asked to do more than in the past, and, as I said in the other post, off-field things limit him somewhat. By the end of the year he's made progress though, which again, is what you want to see out of him.

I also expect him to play much better next year. As I said above, I don't hate the guy at all. I really do think he's got a bright future. I was just a little tired of some of the accolades that I heard about him in the off-season leading up to this year by the national media. I heard comparisons to Brady, because he won a Super Bowl at such a young age. Those comparisons are just a little pre-mature if you ask me. I don't think he's an elite QB JUST YET, and certainly not because he has a ring. I do think he's on the path to becoming one however.
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I agree with some of your conclusions, but you make a bunch of mistakes in your post. First, Ben played well in the playoffs for the most part? What more could he have done? I can't even remember the last quarterback to play that well over three straight games in the playoffs? It might be Brady, but if that is true I will block it out of my memory.

Also, Ben carried the Steelers to the playoffs on his back. Bettis is a nice guy and was a great running back in his prime, but he really did not have that much to do with the Superbowl run. For the most part people were shutting the running game down and assuming that Ben couldn't beat them. The Steelers came out throwing in all three of their playoff wins and you can't play the position of qb much better than he did during those three games (all on the road mind you, and none of the games were in stadiums that would be considered easy to play in). Remember for a second that no one has ever done that before and it might be a long time before anyone replicates that success considering how hard it is to win in the playoffs on the road (unless you are playing the Steelers in the AFC Championship).

As for Ben managing games in his first season? That doesn't explain his 6 fourth quarter comebacks. And remember the Steelers were 6-10 before Ben arrived.

I can't expect you to know as much about Ben as the average Steeler fan seeing as how you probably only watch a few of his highlights and just watched him on MNF and in the playoffs. But, I knew that Ben was going to be a star in the NFL and lead the Steelers back to Superbowl glory after he brought the Steelers back from 10 points down in Dallas. I said as much in many crazy posts that year (and many GAFFERs can confirm). In fact that was the game where even the all knowing Parcells got down on his knees to bask in Ben's glory.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I've kind of already answered this in a post above. The Steelers didn't win the Super Bowl because of Ben, they won in spite of him. His first season he was asked to manage the game and not lose it, and he did do a great job. Far better than what you should expect out of a rookie QB. Last year was much the same. Good, ball control offense, Bettis there as a leader, and a one-two punch in the running game. Rothelesberger was asked to make some plays to help them win, and he did from time to time. But he also came up short from time to time. This is what you would expect out of a QB in his second year in the league. Making progress.

He played well in the playoffs for the most part, but was awful in the Super Bowl. The numbers bear that out. They won anyway, and he's the youngest QB to ever win. Great honor. Except he personally did very little to win the game. Still, the got the ring.

Fast forward to this season, Bettis retires, and Ben struggles. He's asked to do more than in the past, and, as I said in the other post, off-field things limit him somewhat. By the end of the year he's made progress though, which again, is what you want to see out of him.

I also expect him to play much better next year. As I said above, I don't hate the guy at all. I really do think he's got a bright future. I was just a little tired of some of the accolades that I heard about him in the off-season leading up to this year by the national media. I heard comparisons to Brady, because he won a Super Bowl at such a young age. Those comparisons are just a little pre-mature if you ask me. I don't think he's an elite QB JUST YET, and certainly not because he has a ring. I do think he's on the path to becoming one however.
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You've lost me by throwing out the famous Bettis card which all the people who don't really follow the Steelers always like to play. Bettis gained 300 yards last year. It was fun for the media as a "story", but his role on the team was minor.

Not saying Ben is one of the elites. He had two terrific seasons followed by one filled with both good and bad games. Does he need to improve? Yes. Should he be getting knocked down and hampered with Bettis, Bettis, Bettis? No. That was Kordell that benfitted from a Bettis in his prime. And when it came to the playoffs, which Bettis was almost always hurt for, Kordell came up with shit when he had to do it. Ben got it done. And for that, I'm willing to grant the guy an up and down season before I doom him.
 
bionic77 said:
I agree with some of your conclusions, but you make a bunch of mistakes in your post. First, Ben played well in the playoffs for the most part? What more could he have done? I can't even remember the last quarterback to play that well over three straight games in the playoffs? It might be Brady, but if that is true I will block it out of my memory.

Also, Ben carried the Steelers to the playoffs on his back. Bettis is a nice guy and was a great running back in his prime, but he really did not have that much to do with the Superbowl run. For the most part people were shutting the running game down and assuming that Ben couldn't beat them. The Steelers came out throwing in all three of their playoff wins and you can't play the position of qb much better than he did during those three games (all on the road mind you, and none of the games were in stadiums that would be considered easy to play in). Remember for a second that no one has ever done that before and it might be a long time before anyone replicates that success considering how hard it is to win in the playoffs on the road (unless you are playing the Steelers in the AFC Championship).

As for Ben managing games in his first season? That doesn't explain his 6 fourth quarter comebacks. And remember the Steelers were 6-10 before Ben arrived.

I can't expect you to know as much about Ben as the average Steeler fan seeing as how you probably only watch a few of his highlights and just watched him on MNF and in the playoffs. But, I knew that Ben was going to be a star in the NFL and lead the Steelers back to Superbowl glory after he brought the Steelers back from 10 points down in Dallas. I said as much in many crazy posts that year (and many GAFFERs can confirm). In fact that was the game where even the all knowing Parcells got down on his knees to bask in Ben's glory.
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Alright, we won't beat a dead horse. And while I'm not Steeler fan, I don't dislike them either. Plus, having the NFL Sunday Ticket means I got to see a lot of Rothlesberger's games. Not just the nationally televised ones.

I didn't mean to imply that Bettis was winning those games either. I think it was the one-two punch of a good running game that took a lot of pressure off Ben's back.

Clearly you have an opinion and I have a different one. As I said, I think he's got a bright future, but sometimes rose tinted glasses can change a perspective as well. ;)
 
Uh who cares if Grossman hasn't been lighting it up, he has lead his team to the Super Bowl, same as Ben. Maybe Grossman pulls a Ben and plays like complete **** but has his teammates win him a ring. Or maybe he plays well but it isn't enough. They are both young QB's with a lot of improving to do that happened to fall into favorable situations.
 
Spectral Glider said:
You've lost me by throwing out the famous Bettis card which all the people who don't really follow the Steelers always like to play. Bettis gained 300 yards last year. It was fun for the media as a "story", but his role on the team was minor.
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Christ! I didn't mean to stir up the damn Steeler nation! I know exactly what Bettis did last year. I know what his role was. He was a great short yardage and goal line runner, and a huge leader on the team. I've actually been the commissioner of a fanatasy football league for 14 years believe it or not, so I do follow tons of stats, and teams that are outside my area. As I mentioned above, I get the NFL Sunday Ticket, and watch tons of games.

So, to put this all to rest. Ben is the Man. Greatest Young QB ever. Steelers couldn't have won it without him, and he'll pass Brady in SB wins before it's all said in done. We should all bask in his glory.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Christ! I didn't mean to stir up the damn Steeler nation! I know exactly what Bettis did last year. I know what his role was. He was a great short yardage and goal line runner, and a huge leader on the team. I've actually been the commissioner of a fanatasy football league for 14 years believe it or not, so I do follow tons of stats, and teams that are outside my area. As I mentioned above, I get the NFL Sunday Ticket, and watch tons of games.

So, to put this all to rest. Ben is the Man. Greatest Young QB ever. Steelers couldn't have won it without him, and he'll pass Brady in SB wins before it's all said in done. We should all bask in his glory.
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Way to totally miss the second half of my post! Sorry, added it in under the wire.
 
I'm happy with these two teams in the final. I suppose I'm pulling a bit more for the Bears (I think I would have preferred to see the Saints, but whatever).

I think the Bears win a tight game, but if the Bears lose, they get annihilated (that's been my one prediction all playoffs).

Interesting about the Dungy/Smith matchup. I guess I'm pretty colour blind about NFL staff -- I don't think of them as "black coaches," but when you realize the significance it's pretty special.

Also, I think Reche Caldwell came up in this thread, but I just have to say that having seen him a few times before he became a Patriot, I was surprised to see he was a starter there, because he had always had a bit of a problem with the dropsies (not so much this year from what I gather, until yesterday -- but I didn't watch much of the Pats, so I can't say for certain.)
 
Giants just hired the Eagles linebacker coach as D Coordinator.

Two things:

1) A filthy ****ing Eagirls coach.

2) The Eagles are LEAST known for their LB play.

Way to screw it up already Reese.
 
YES PARCELLS IS GONE!!

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now to find a young head coach who would rather adjust to the players instead of making the players adjust to him. too bad bill took so long to make his decision.

i like parcells as a guy, but i don't like him on the cowboys.
 
SickBoy said:
Also, I think Reche Caldwell came up in this thread, but I just have to say that having seen him a few times before he became a Patriot, I was surprised to see he was a starter there, because he had always had a bit of a problem with the dropsies (not so much this year from what I gather, until yesterday -- but I didn't watch much of the Pats, so I can't say for certain.)
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I think this cheapening down on paying players up in Patriots land is coming back to bite them in the ass. They have let so many great players go that would have been there at the end of the 4th quarter to stop the Colts, but they aren't there because New England is too cheap to pay them (or Belicheck, being the asshole he is, believes in his system so much he holds back the team). Just having Brady isn't a great plan anymore because that run game last night was horrendous (yet Brady almost won without one). If the Patriots don't resign Asante Samuel, it's going to hurt them a lot more then they think (this dude completely shut out Marvin, but at the same time Marvin never seems to perform in playoff games, while Asante has made it known that he can).

The Niners are going to be huge spenders this off season which is a great thing to see for once, since we've rarely had enough money to sign anyone with any skill (Walt Harris is definitely a beast though). I hope we try to improve our offensive line, because the time Alex gets in the pocket right now comparatively to a Brady or a Manning is so much shorter. Plus we need a pass rush, and some depth in the Corner position.
 
woodchuck said:
YES PARCELLS IS GONE!!

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now to find a young head coach who would rather adjust to the players instead of making the players adjust to him. too bad bill took so long to make his decision.

i like parcells as a guy, but i don't like him on the cowboys.
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Theres only one perfect canidate for the job:

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Triumph Dolomite 1300cc said:
Like what happened when TB drew Oaktown in SB XXXVII.
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That's an awful example. The Bucs kind-of knew every play the Raiders ran on offense since they were too stupid to change the playbook after Gruden was "traded".

:(

Rorschach said:
A blazer and a watch?!
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You'll be elbow deep in vagina when you wear that blazer, Rorschach. Bo can wait for another day!

DCX said:
The Oakland Raiders are preparing to make a run at Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall).
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**** that shit.
 
Colts are just a better team period. That being said so were the Saints but they managed to lose the game due to turnovers and a poor secondary.
 
also, I want a coach with NFL experience as a coordinator or assistant. Jerry better not hire some college coach (except for jimmy johnson)
 
woodchuck said:
also, I want a coach with NFL experience as a coordinator or assistant. Jerry better not hire some college coach (except for jimmy johnson)
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Heard you might try and steal Norv Turner from us. I hope not :(
 
woodchuck said:
also, I want a coach with NFL experience as a coordinator or assistant. Jerry better not hire some college coach (except for jimmy johnson)
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He should hire Mooch just to **** with T.O.
 
methodman said:
Heard you might try and steal Norv Turner from us. I hope not :(
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norv turner is awful as a HC. no way would i want him in dallas unless he's the OC

get the gang back together!

jimmy johnson, norv turner, dave wanstedt, joe avazano

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He should hire Mooch just to **** with T.O.
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:lol
 
Seriously, Jerry should just say **** it, and assume the head coach position himself.. You know hes always wanted to do it anyway.
 
DCX said:
The Oakland Raiders are preparing to make a run at Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall).


DCX
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Why must you rain on my parade?

Karakand said:
You'll be elbow deep in vagina when you wear that blazer, Rorschach. Bo can wait for another day!
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DCX
 
DCX said:
The Oakland Raiders are preparing to make a run at Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall).


DCX
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Vick would be perfect for the Raiders. :lol
 
lol that rumor is bullshit. the raiders aren't giving up the #1 pick along with moss and porter to get vick. that would be the stupidest trade this side of cowboys/vikings herschel walker trade.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
lol that rumor is bullshit. the raiders aren't giving up the #1 pick along with moss and porter to get vick. that would be the stupidest trade this side of cowboys/vikings herschel walker trade.
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Did that rumor come from PFT?

Hey, is Jones going to go after Cowher now? That would be borderline sacrilegious.
 
methodman said:
The Niners are going to be huge spenders this off season which is a great thing to see for once, since we've rarely had enough money to sign anyone with any skill (Walt Harris is definitely a beast though).
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:lol Are you effin' kidding me? Walt Harris can't cover a Tupperware container. Let him give up a TD against your team--in a crucial game that ended up costing your team a victory that would have given them the NFC East Crown, a home field playoff game and a better shot at a Superbowl run--and tell me how much of a beast he is then!

Although, to be honest, even he didn't **** shit up as much as Carlos Rogers does... :(
 
Ninja Scooter said:
is Tony Dungy technically the 2nd black coach in a superbowl? or do he and Lovie Smith both count as first?
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whoever takes the field first!
 
Are you effin' kidding me? Walt Harris can't cover a Tupperware container. Let him give up a TD against your team--in a crucial game that ended up costing your team a victory that would have given them the NFC East Crown, a home field playoff game and a better shot at a Superbowl run--and tell me how much of a beast he is then!
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dude walt harris was awesome for us. don't be mad because he hates the redskins! go walt! or should i say PRO BOWLER Walt Harris (since he was an alternate and the Eagles CB isn't playing hte probowl!)
 
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