SuperBowl XLI Indianapolis Colts vs. Chicago Bears - AND A BLACK MAN SHALL LEAD THEM

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soulja224466 said:
AWalt Future!

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yes because deuce mcallister's 3.0 ypc was really killing us yesterday, i agree that sean payton called a bad game, he should have committed to the run more in my opinion, but hindsight is 20/20, he must have seen something in the film room or something to game plan like they did

its easy to be an armchair qb or coach

and the ball was coming out before his knee hit the ground on that kickoff fumble, so quit crying about that



I'm not so sure about that. I think the plan to stick to the passing game was the right choice. How many dropped balls were there? ... every other pass or so? Brees was more or less on the money in the first half.
 
Mrbob said:
I would just like to add in the second half, with the game on the line, Rex had a QB Rating of 105.

Say what you will about Rex hatAZ, but two weeks in a row he has come through in the clutch in playoff games. Not meaningless regular season games, but when the season is on the line, sexy comes through.

The game on the line? The Bears led the entire game! Their defense put them in position to score so many times. Rex threw an incredibly lucky (and horrible) pass for a long TD. That was pretty much it for him. If you look at the pass it is underthrown and to the right. That is the only way his receiver made that amazing catch because if it was thrown accurately it would have been defensed or intercepted as the back was in perfect position. The only positive you can say about him is that he now realizes how horribly he is playing and he plays not to lose (which may be all they want him to do and seems to be working).

If Rex can do it with the game on the line at the Superbowl, then I will be impressed and shut up. I don't discount that he may be able to catch lightening in a bottle and get hot against the Colts, I just doubt it. Sports usually don't work that way. He has played shitty for quite some time and you don't usually just turn it around because the fans want you to.
 
Eminem said:
Yeah because when it was 16-14, everyone still thought the Bears were in great shape, right?
Wasn't panic time either.

Man Bear fans are sensitive about Grossman. I just don't understand how some of you guys are saying he played well in that game. Has the standard for quarterback play dropped so far?
 
Eminem said:
Yeah because when it was 16-14, everyone still thought the Bears were in great shape, right?

Yeah, once Reggie Bush scored, the Bears had the Saints right were they wanted them...off the field.

Bionic, it's not like he sucked. It wasn't great but decent and serviceable. NO has a really good defense, so give them credit. As QB, you want him to put up great numbers and TDs but more often, not make any mistakes. He at least accomplished the latter.
 
Karakand said:
Jesus ****ing Christ.

3-13 season CONFIRMED.
T_T

Why?! I knew they were gonna make a bad choice for coach, but ****! Lovie, come to Oakland, we'll give you your money! The Bears were on the fence about even letting you extend your contract. They show no respect! Some assistant coaches make more than you, for heaven's sake! We love the chocolate face here!
 
NEW YORK -- Steve Spagnuolo, most recently the linebackers coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, is the next defensive coordinator of the New York Giants.

He replaces Tim Lewis, who was fired by Giants head coach Tom Coughlin at the end of the regular season.

Spagnuolo has been with the Eagles since 1999, first as a defensive quality control assistant. In 2001, he started coaching the team's safeties and eventually took over the entire defensive backfield.

He became the linebackers coach three seasons ago, working for Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.

Spagnuolo's coaching career includes 15 seasons as a college assistant as well.

He will inherit a Giants defense that was beset by injuries to star players Michael Strahan and LaVar Arrington last season, but still underperformed.

As a unit, the Giants ranked 25th in the NFL in yardage allowed (342.4 yards) and 28th against the pass (228.1 yards). They were worst in the league when opponents got inside the 20-yard line, allowing them to score touchdowns on 30 of 46 chances in the red zone, or 65.2 percent.

Defensive shortcomings were a prime factor in the Giants losing four games in the second half of the season in which they led or were tied in the fourth quarter. The capper came in a 23-20 loss to the Eagles in the wild-card game when the Giants tied the game with 5:04 to play, but allowed the winning drive as time expired.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2739066

We lose our linebacker coach? Sweet. I hope we can get someone new in there. The many times our linebackers got turned around and in a bad position on coverage is too numerous.
 
bionic77 said:
Wasn't panic time either.

Man Bear fans are sensitive about Grossman. I just don't understand how some of you guys are saying he played well in that game. Has the standard for quarterback play dropped so far?

well lets get a little refresher, in case you didnt watch the game

after bush scored his td, the bears went 3 and out i believe, the saints drove down the field to the bears 29, they missed the 47 yard field goal, that would be the last time the saints would threaten all game, the bears dont really do anything with the ball after the missed field goal, brad maynerd comes out and boots the punt inside the saints 5 yard line, the bears get a safety on intentional grounding on the drive, and the rest is history, the bears spanked the saints after that, it was a huge momentum shift right there, if the saints make that field goal it couldve been an entirely different game

and once again grossman didnt have a horrible game (horrible first half yes, game no), he was money when it counted with the game on the line, he responded to go 4/4 to put the bears up 11 in the 4th quarter, say what you want about the td pass to berrian, the other 3balls on that drive were right on the money, and sometimes a qb puts the ball up there and lets the receiver make a play (thats what they get paid to do)

if manning/favre/brady threw that ball up ppl would be all over their nuts because they have good reputations around the league, unlike the maligned grossman who "threw a prayer in the wind", look bernard berrian deep in single coverage versus fred thomas (the worst cb in the nfl) is a favorable match up, that pass would be thrown 10/10 times, something good is bound to happen there
 
So basically Rex was good for one drive and that means he had a good game?

Jesus, even Ben had some good series during last Superbowl and he made a few huge plays but I would never say he had a good game.
 
Hitokage said:
It slipped before the knee hit, but he regained control, then it popped out.

I actually don't think that was enough to call it "regaining control." The rule book gives the refs some room for interpretation on that. Sort of the non-passing ball carrier equivelent of the tuck rule. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for the refs to allow players on the ground to fight for a loose ball. They don't award it to the person who puts his hands on it first.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2739967

Will Jeff Garcia be back in Philadelphia next season? More importantly, does Donovan McNabb want to be back?

Donovan McNabb
McNabb

Citing people close to the injured star quarterback, The Trenton Times reported that McNabb is unhappy with several things that have happened with the Eagles since his season ended with a torn ACL in his right knee.

Some of McNabb's reported gripes:

• McNabb reportedly is unhappy that Eagles coach Andy Reid didn't allow him to travel with the team to New Orleans for the team's playoff game against the Saints. The Eagles have a rule that players on injured reserve don't travel with the team.

• McNabb also reportedly might be getting the feeling that some with the Eagles might prefer Garcia as the team's starting quarterback after Garcia led Philadelphia to the playoffs and a postseason victory after McNabb's injury.

• And McNabb also reportedly isn't happy with how his mother has been portrayed in the media and by Eagles fans for comments on her blog on his Web site. She wrote that watching the Eagles win without McNabb was "bittersweet."

Garcia is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March. One former teammate told the newspaper that he doesn't envision Garcia returning to the Eagles as a backup.

"I know Jeff and I know how he is," the unnamed former teammate told The Times. "After the way he played -- what was he, 6-1? -- and then he won a playoff game. He's not going to be happy being a backup again. He's way too much of a competitor for that. He should be going to the Pro Bowl the way he played. He knows that. Now, you want him to be a backup, and get paid like a backup. That's not going to happen."

What the shit? This is news?! Havent heard shit about his mom, lol. But if he wants to leave, im all for it.
 
bionic77 said:
So basically Rex was good for one drive and that means he had a good game?

yes because average, decent, serviceable = great

not even the biggest homer bears fan would say he played great

i question whether you read the replies in the thread, or you just post your canned responses
 
yacobod said:
yes because average, decent, serviceable = great

not even the biggest homer bears fan would say he played great

i question whether you read the replies in the thread, or you just post your canned responses

I can agree to serviceable for Grossman's performance in the playoffs so far. Now that I think about it, this playoffs has not had the highest level of quarterback play. But all we are going to remember a few years from now is Peyton's ridiculous comeback (I doubt the Superbowl can live up to that game).
 
bionic77 said:
I can agree to serviceable for Grossman's performance in the playoffs so far. Now that I think about it, this playoffs has not had the highest level of quarterback play. But all we are going to remember a few years from now is Peyton's ridiculous comeback (I doubt the Superbowl can live up to that game).


actually 10 years from now

the only thing ppl will really remember is who won the super bowl
 
yacobod said:
actually 10 years from now

the only thing ppl will really remember is who won the super bowl
That depends on what happens.

People remember "the Catch" and "the Drive" more so than who won the Superbowl that year.

I don't care that much who wins. I am just happy it won't be the Pats and now I am hoping for a great game. Though my hunch is that it won't be a well played game and will remind us of last year's Superbowl.
 
yacobod said:
actually 10 years from now

the only thing ppl will really remember is who won the super bowl

I'd rather go to 3 NFC Championship games than win 1 Super Bowl!!!!!11
 
I think Peyton has to win the super bowl to escape the Marino comparisons. The media really jumped at the opportunity to suck him off this weekend.

The league does not celebrate merely the participants of super bowls.
 
If the game is a dud, not many people outside of Colts and Bears fans will remember who won 10 years from now. I think most people will remember Peyton Manning and the Colts coming back from 18 down to win one of the greatest playoff games ever.

levious said:
I think Peyton has to win the super bowl to escape the Marino comparisons. The media really jumped at the opportunity to suck him off this weekend.

The league does not celebrate merely the participants of super bowls.

yeah, didn't Marino get to a super bowl too?
 
woodchuck said:
If the game is a dud, not many people outside of Colts and Bears fans will remember who won 10 years from now. I think most people will remember Peyton Manning and the Colts coming back from 18 down to win one of the greatest playoff games ever.

The Colts/Pats game will only be remembered if the Colts do win the Superbowl. If they lose, it'll just be another damn good play-off game, but it ultimately didn't lead to anything.
 
woodchuck said:
yeah, didn't Marino get to a super bowl too?

he and boomer both

Eminem said:
The Colts/Pats game will only be remembered if the Colts do win the Superbowl. If they lose, it'll just be another damn good play-off game, but it ultimately didn't lead to anything.

If the pats and colts continue to clash in the playoffs for years to come, I'd say the game will be remembered.

Even if they don't, it will probably still be... look at Elway's remembered playoff games prior to him winning it all.
 
Eminem said:
The Colts/Pats game will only be remembered if the Colts do win the Superbowl. If they lose, it'll just be another damn good play-off game, but it ultimately didn't lead to anything.

I don't think so. Elway lost the Super Bowl after "the drive".

Buffalo lost the Super Bowl after their incredible comeback vs the Oilers.

Titans lost the Super Bowl after the Music City Miracle.
 
I'll give you "the drive" but I put the ridiculous Buffalo comeback and Music City Miracle on different levels. Especially the Music City Miracle. It was the equivalent of winning on a hail mary. Anytime that happens in the postseason it'll be remembered.

Remember the Indy/Pittsburgh game that almost ended on an Indy hail mary as time expired? Tons of people still remember that just because it almost happened.


But I guess we'll see. Hell, if the Colts win in two weeks there's no debate it will be remembered for a long, long time.
 
speaking of comebacks, I love that Miller Lite man law commercial with Jim Kelly referencing the Bills comeback in the playoffs when he was sitting on the bench.
 
Are people (outside of Pittsburgh) going to remember Bettis' fumble and the ensuing tackle by God in 10 years?

It is hard for me to judge these sort of things objectively. I still believe that Horry's shot against the Kings and .4 are the two greatest basketball plays I have ever seen.
 
bionic77 said:
Are people (outside of Pittsburgh) going to remember Bettis' fumble and the ensuing tackle by God in 10 years?

I think so, and if the Colts lose this super bowl and never win it, then it will definitely get played over and over... not that I don't think they'll win, just a what if.

bionic77 said:
It is hard for me to judge these sort of things objectively. I still believe that Horry's shot against the Kings and .4 are the two greatest basketball plays I have ever seen.

Definitely, especially when you disqualify anything Jordan did.
 
bionic77 said:
Are people (outside of Pittsburgh) going to remember Bettis' fumble and the ensuing tackle by God in 10 years?

It is hard for me to judge these sort of things objectively. I still believe that Horry's shot against the Kings and .4 are the two greatest basketball plays I have ever seen.
what's .4? The Jordan shot against the Jazz? cuz that should be one of your top 2 basketball plays :lol

and yeah, unfortunately I think that Steelers/Colts game is gonna go down for that ending. What a crazy ending. Not just the fumble either, but that weird Polamalu call, too.
 
whytemyke said:
what's .4? The Jordan shot against the Jazz? cuz that should be one of your top 2 basketball plays :lol

and yeah, unfortunately I think that Steelers/Colts game is gonna go down for that ending. What a crazy ending. Not just the fumble either, but that weird Polamalu call, too.

.4 refers to Derek Fisher's miracle shot against the Spurs. I thought that was common basketball knowledge and definitely the best finish of any basketball game ever. I believe Kobe put in a tough fade away with about 3 seconds left. Then Duncan drained a insane shot over Shaq from like 20 feet away with exactly .4 seconds left. D. Fisher pulls off a catch and shoot and the Lakers win the game and break the Spurs back at the same time.

If you want to talk about it more we can go into the NBA thread since this is about the Superbowl.

My heart definitely stopped during the Steelers/Colts game. The craziest thing about the Polamalu call is the ref made that call after looking at the replay like a million times and reversed the decision on the field. There are always some bad calls, but it is hard to justify a call that bad when you have the benefit of replay and time to think about it.
 
bionic77 said:
There are always some bad calls, but it is hard to justify a call that bad when you have the benefit of replay and time to think about it.


it's the league's fault, with their almost yearly re-interpretations of established rules.
 
Karakand said:
Gotta love the deep ball!

If you believe the rumors PC is the one who wanted the conservative offense and Sarkiffian convinced him to let Booty air it out against Michigan etc.

Get ready for lot's of deep throws along the side lines mixed with WR bubble screens!
 
Cardinals hired Grimm as their offensive line coach/ assistant head coach.

I'm thinking the NFC West is gonna be the class of the NFC next year...
 
whytemyke said:
Cardinals hired Grimm as their offensive line coach/ assistant head coach.

I'm thinking the NFC West is gonna be the class of the NFC next year...

maybe you should wait til the cardinals, i dont know, win a few games next season before making these statements, the cardinals are labeled every year to be a potential "sleeper", "darkhorse", or "bustout" team, and it never happens

i'd still put the nfc east, south, and north above the west
 
bluemax said:
Get ready for lot's of deep throws along the side lines mixed with WR bubble screens!

The $64,000 question is though...

Does he love the 7 step drop? I know Aaron Brooks and AWalt Future sure do!
 
No matter who wins...Limbaugh loses. :D
Suck it, Rush.

I'm going to be rooting for Da Bears, but that's just nostalgia talking. Good ol'Superbowl Shuffle. :lol
 
yacobod said:
maybe you should wait til the cardinals, i dont know, win a few games next season before making these statements, the cardinals are labeled every year to be a potential "sleeper", "darkhorse", or "bustout" team, and it never happens

i'd still put the nfc east, south, and north above the west

the nfc west will definitely be the class of the nfc next year.
 
bionic77 said:
The game on the line? The Bears led the entire game! Their defense put them in position to score so many times. Rex threw an incredibly lucky (and horrible) pass for a long TD. That was pretty much it for him. If you look at the pass it is underthrown and to the right. That is the only way his receiver made that amazing catch because if it was thrown accurately it would have been defensed or intercepted as the back was in perfect position. The only positive you can say about him is that he now realizes how horribly he is playing and he plays not to lose (which may be all they want him to do and seems to be working).

If Rex can do it with the game on the line at the Superbowl, then I will be impressed and shut up. I don't discount that he may be able to catch lightening in a bottle and get hot against the Colts, I just doubt it. Sports usually don't work that way. He has played shitty for quite some time and you don't usually just turn it around because the fans want you to.

Bla, bla, bla.

Yes, the score was 18-14, and the drive that put the Saints away was all on Rex's shoulders. They stuffed the box and dared Rex to beat them, and he made 4 straight passes for a TD drive in about 40 seconds of time. The momentum was clearly back in the Bears favor after that drive.

It would be one thing if we were saying Rex was the greatest QB of all time. Bears fans are not. However, you are hitting the other end of spectrum by saying he would be the worst QB of all time to win the superbowl. Look at his stats, it is not the case. He has had a handful of bad games this year. He is also had many great games this year too. He had three extremely solid games leading up to the season finale against green bay, where he had a bunch of turnovers in a meaningless game in which no Bears player really tried.

It really is funny to hear outsiders who don't follow the Bears talk about Grossman. The national media has painted this incredibly stupid good rex/ bad rex scenerio and can't let it go which is clouding people's judgement. I really blame their stupidity, because they are the ones reporting this crap to the nation.

Oh, and hey, it can't be hard to beat Roethlolzbergers superbowl stats from last year. I do know that Rex won't be giving the ball to his WR to throw for TDs in the game. If anything, Big Ben proved last year that you don't even need a QB to play well to win a super bowl, considering he owns the lowest QB Rating of any winning QB is superbowl history. So stop ripping into Rex when your own boy couldn't get the job done in the biggest game of the year.
 
Karakand said:
The $64,000 question is though...

Does he love the 7 step drop? I know Aaron Brooks and AWalt Future sure do!

Not really, but get ready for quick slants to Moss on third and ones. Especially if he loses faith in the running backs.

How is your full back btw? A lot of speculation is that our offense wasn't as good because we lost all our experienced full backs early on. Key cog in the machine.
 
Mrbob said:
Oh, and hey, it can't be hard to beat Roethlolzbergers superbowl stats from last year. I do know that Rex won't be giving the ball to his WR to throw for TDs in the game. If anything, Big Ben proved last year that you don't even need a QB to play well to win a super bowl, considering he owns the lowest QB Rating of any winning QB is superbowl history. So stop ripping into Rex when your own boy couldn't get the job done in the biggest game of the year.

Ben got it done in all 3 AFC Championship games. Those are the games that determine the eventual winner of the Superbowl these days. Generally it doesn't matter who the NFC sends, it is more of a formality these days.
 
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