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Supergirl |OT| Adventure Runs in the Family - Mondays 8/7c on CBS
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PHOENIXZERO
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Well, they are doing Legends of Tomorrow... Gives them an opening to alter the timeline.
Nothing has changed though. The show was created under the option for crossovers and it's just been a matter of when.
Kara will just from Earth 3 as Barry and Oliver will be to her.
I bet they'll all be from the same Earth and the creative teams just won't give a shit about why they never mentioned each other or Superman on any of the arrowverse shows.
Rather they do this, even if they never mention it the idea that they could be more connected
Memento Mori
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It wouldn't make any sense though. Everyone in the Arrowverse was shocked when metahumans started appearing which they shouldn't have been if Superman had been flying around for years.
And if the opportunity ever arises, Gotham will be Earth-4
KDash31987
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Over a decade. When Kara arrives (after being stuck in the Phantom Zone for 24 years), he's already been Superman for a while. Then the show skips 11-12 years to the present.
Ah Okay.
So I do not watch Arrow, only Flash. So would there be major contradictions?
Yeah, quite a big one. Arrow started 4 years ago with no known meta humans. Superman being active for 12 years or so would be highly public and known, no matter where you lived. Hence, it would have to be an Earth 3 or something for it to make sense.
Or the future...
Jorok Goldblade
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The people of Starling City could have just assumed that Superman was the Daily Planet's version of Bat Boy.
On a side note, a Flash / Supergirl crossover has to include PowerGirl coming over from Earth 2.
Considering they had 52 portals (I see you writing staff) then it could be anything. Zoom could cause instability and several realities could collide in some "Crisis on Infinite Earths"-Esque storyline between the 3 shows.
Schweinehund
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so you're telling me not to watch the show?
I already missed this monday's episode, slipped my mind. Disappointed to see ratings slip after livewire episode, thought it was the best one yet.
To be fair he is an alien and not a meta human. I know that metahuman is catch all for everything in the books, but Arrow/Flash haven't really dealt with aliens yet.
Maddocks
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The easy fix and the fix they should use because having it take place in the main universe is dumb is just have it be Earth-3 and call it a day. Have the singularity happen above national city in that universe and boom. No need to have them connected in the same universe when they have endless ones they can toy with.
Maybe? Have they put a date on any of the papers or screens in Supergirl yet? I haven't paid attention to that.
That's actually kinda hilarious. But I think 12 years of a super being flying around a city and saving countless people and being photographed, would be hard to swallow as a myth at that point.The people of Starling City could have just assumed that Superman was the Daily Planet's version of Bat Boy.
On a side note, a Flash / Supergirl crossover has to include PowerGirl coming over from Earth 2.
Probably the best idea yet. If it came down to it and they need to merge the shows for whatever reason, Zoom and his portals would be the way to handle it.
True, but Diggle would seem to be the guy to say something or not be AS shocked when he saw the Flash or in the episode with Constantine, he only mentions metahumans, magic, and resurrections.
Of course, don't forget we have Rip Hunter mentioning Dark Knights and Men of Steel, so who knows.
PhoncipleBone
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Poodlestrike
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Pretty much exactly this. Flash introducing the multiverse gives them an essentially endless sandbox to play with, especially once they introduce more reliable methods of traveling between them. Want to use a character in a new and exciting way, but you've already introduced their more conventional counterpart? Bring in the Earth-43 version! Supergirl crossover done, just like that.
No, it's infinite again.
Honest question (directed not necessarily at you specifically) are people seriously bothered by that or is just making conversation and observations?
Because it's pretty damn obvious why no one in the Arrow universe knows about Superman, it's because there wasn't an Supergirl tv show when it started.
Sorry for being captain obvious, but those are just TV shows, they put them in the same "universe" because they think crossovers might be fun down the road.
And yeah, it doesn't make 100% coherent sense, but for fuck's sake, it's a show about a girl who can fly and shoot lasers from her eyes, is this really where you draw line on the suspension of disbelief?
I know some fans demand such things, but I think it just end up hurting those shows, I'd much rather they just try to make the best stories that they can rather than worry all that much about canon and universe bibles. You just end up with a bunch of clunky lampshading, I say fuck it, if you can't explain, you don't need to explain it, just ignore the issue and move along.
Retroactively just tossing in the entire spectrum of Superman/Supergirl lore as well as their respective cities completely shits on the world building and work done for the first two seasons of Arrow as well as the first season of the Flash. Is it beleievable that it can exist within the world created? Absolutely. But just pretending it was always that was shows no respect for those who built it and the fans who stuck through everything.
Yes the comic shows have crazy rules but they are still rules. The "there was no Supergirl TV show before now" reasoning completely breaks the fourth wall and the way the Arrow/Flash universe has been built these past few years.
If you care about story integrity as you say, you can't just suddenly introduce superpowered aliens (including Superman) and just happen to have him and Supergirl (and all the villains that Superman has battled before Supergirl's story) as having been there the whole time and just never mentioned.
Thanks for the answer.
Now that I think about it, even in the recent up to date episodes of Flash's season 2 people seem to be amazed by Metahumans and their powers.
That does not seem to fit a world, in which Supergirl defeated a villian, that Superman had to deal with before.
Flashpoint Paradox?
I would not mind merging the world of Supergirl retroactively with Flash and Arrow.
(and maybe add some Smallville stuff)
As somebody else said: Flash is already using time travel and multiple dimensions use it.
Jorok Goldblade
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Okay- so Reverse Flash knocked Superman's rocket off course, causing him to be found either by the US government or Russia, ensuring that the Justice League would never form, taking away Barry's backup.
Cisco vibes this, and Barry goes back in time to make sure Clark lands in Smallville. This then folds Supergirl continuity into the Arrowverse.
Exactly what I said. People need to realize how easy it is to crossover by using the multiverse
Subpar Spatula
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Finally got around to watching the latest episode. That end confrontation was so poorly acted by Benoist. You could see her try to keep that serious face but did the whole "gotta vibrate my head slightly to show how angry I am with you!"
His plan was to make this guy bomb places to test her? Shit, I thought you were a smart man, Lord.
The friend zone. This love shit ruins these shows. Why can't superheroes be serious or fun without the relationship baggage? These are never even the good parts of the show. So cringe worthy seeing Betamax dude get sad whenever Kara goes for former geek turned hunk Jimmy.
His plan was to make this guy bomb places to test her? Shit, I thought you were a smart man, Lord.
The friend zone. This love shit ruins these shows. Why can't superheroes be serious or fun without the relationship baggage? These are never even the good parts of the show. So cringe worthy seeing Betamax dude get sad whenever Kara goes for former geek turned hunk Jimmy.
If only there was an event that had the potential to rewrite the history of the Arrowverse, maybe some idiots playing around with a timeline of tomorrow or yesterday. They'd have to introduce a time traveller, but that wouldn't be a problem. I already know the ideal candidate: H.G. Wells, who can easily be renamed to Harrison Wells. If they can't do Wells, well there is still Rip Hunter but they'd never do a live action version of him. Greatest scenario would be bringing back Lane Davies as Tempus.
But Superman is an alien. Who thought that meant there could be other guys with weird powers not from space? There are some some shows that have tried that route.
Wow I totally get why Cat is the way she is now. Also kudos for Kara sticking up for herself.
The Artisan
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The actress is really really pretty.
I can't get over the fact.
I can't get over the fact.
No offense taken, but I think the guys above have said what I would've said. At the end of the day, I have no control over what they decide to do so I'll have to live with it, but I would just hope they'd respect their viewers enough to at least try to make some sense out of it. That's all I really ask for.
Schweinehund
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They best not use earth 3 for the earth Supergirl lives on, that is traditionally the Crime Syndicate's Earth. I'd love to see them use that at some point.
unholyrevenger72
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nah, arrow and Flash will form the JSA, Supes and Bat's will come later and form the JLA,
Stallion Dan
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Could the show survive Kara getting stranded in the Arrowverse?
I wanna see a Earth 5 crossover where Oliver meets Justin Hartley Arrow.
Yes.
While it suffers a bit from "the first five episodes are pilots" syndrome and figuring itself out by laying down foundations and the romantic relationship angle is totally blah, the characters are charming and the unabashedly cheeriness and optimism is very refreshing and endearing.
The special effects, music and general direction is fantastic, too.
Finaika
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It's good.
It's not on the same level as those shows at all, if that's what you're looking for. It has its charm, but it just started really picking up a couple episodes ago.
Daredevil and Jessica Jones aren't comparable to the Berlanti shows. Even Arrow is a lot happier as a show nowadays. So depending on which way you want to go, Supergirl is a good choice. It wouldn't be bad to first to The FLash if you haven't seen that one yet.
There are also only five episodes.
Sure but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been as good from the get-go, either.
HP_Wuvcraft
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All three of those shows are trying to do something different. Even Arrow and Flash are not the same style, and they exist in the same universe.
Don't go into Supergirl expecting Jessica Jones. Too many comic geeks are doing that.
Yeah Supergirl is definitely on the more "wholesome family drama" side of the spectrum. Yeah it's about an alien woman with superpowers, but that's really a vehicle for how Kara learns about relationships, teamwork, family, and finding her place in the world.
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