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[KonradLaw]

I've caught up on Supergirl right for crossover and I liked what I saw. Second best Arrowverse show at this moment and while it has it's problems it's a lot better than season 1. Cadmus made for a lot cooler villains than Kryptonians did. Superman was really well done, the superheroics seem improved a lot too. The whole lesbian drama felt a little heavy for a show like Supergirl, but it was handled really nicely. Not really liking the whole Guardian thing, but at least it alongside DEO job keeps Winn busy.

But most of all..holy hell...I absolutely love Mon-El. Best change/addition this season. Dude is absolutely hilarious.

Also..drunk Kara is the most adorable thing I've seen on TV this year.

Overall, I think I will be keeping with Supergirl weekly from now on.

 

[Mariolee]

i know, i am both baffled and impressed that they are willing to throw away so much character development

Throw away character development? To me it makes complete sense why Cisco would have trouble getting over the fact that Barry more or less

Spoiler

killed his brother. I have a little sister and would be absolutely stunned if my friend had a hand in her death, intentional or not.

It would be weirder if Cisco wasn't still mad at Barry.

 

[Mariolee]

Also did they ever explain why the Medusa poison didn't kill humans? I was sure they would but I don't remember any resolution to that.

 

[morningbus]

I don't think they explained human immunity, so headcanon time:

Cadmus would not have released a virus that would kill all humans. They tinkered with it enough, using the Kryptonian immunity as a template.

 

[Mariolee]

I don't think they explained human immunity, so headcanon time:

Cadmus would not have released a virus that would kill all humans. They tinkered with it enough, using the Kryptonian immunity as a template.

This was my assumption as well, just really surprised they didn't outright state it considering how forthcoming they've been eith literally every other aspect of the show.

Hence "I AM CYBORG SUPERMAN".

 

[Tabby]

Also did they ever explain why the Medusa poison didn't kill humans? I was sure they would but I don't remember any resolution to that.

They said it at the beginning, something like "Why did it kill aliens but not humans?".

I'm guessing Cadmus modified the virus.

 

[Septimus Prime]

The only thing missing was Superman. I wish this show wouldn't do apocalyptic threats without him at least showing some concern. Mass genocide? Sorry, that report isn't going to get itself onto Perry's desk.

 

[Corpekata]

Oh man the Cyborg Superman lines, so so so bad.

I really am just picturing Harewood reading his script and cringing at some of the shit they put into his mouth. He mostly sells the Martian stuff, but nobody can save those CS lines. Even Kara's line about it was awful.

 

[BluenoseGames]

Oh man the Cyborg Superman lines, so so so bad.

I really am just picturing Harewood reading his script and cringing at some of the shit they put into his mouth. He mostly sells the Martian stuff, but nobody can save those CS lines. Even Kara's line about it was awful.

"Because I'm Cyborg Superman" was the worst.

 

[Joni]

They said it at the beginning, something like "Why did it kill aliens but not humans?".

I'm guessing Cadmus modified the virus.

Yeah, their entire mission statement is protecting humanity so it wouldn't make sense for them to kill humans.

 

[strafer]

well shit, sounds like this episode is skippable.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Throw away character development? To me it makes complete sense why Cisco would have trouble getting over the fact that Barry more or less

Spoiler

killed his brother. I have a little sister and would be absolutely stunned if my friend had a hand in her death, intentional or not.

It would be weirder if Cisco wasn't still mad at Barry.

Yeah- that's why I think the only way past this is somehow learning that either Dante's fate was much worse pre-Flashpoint or that the bad stuff that changed was specifically engineered by Reverse Flash.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

well shit, sounds like this episode is skippable.

It's most definitely not. It's just not a major part of the crossover. Huge plot episode for the Supergirl show.

 

[Joni]

Yeah- that's why I think the only way past this is somehow learning that either Dante's fate was much worse pre-Flashpoint or that the bad stuff that changed was specifically engineered by Reverse Flash.

Or by Barry presenting a sincere apology.

 

[strafer]

It's most definitely not. It's just not a major part of the crossover. Huge plot episode for the Supergirl show.

oh i dont doubt that, it's just that I fell off a couple of episodes ago. Need to catch up.

Thought this was going to be standalone.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Cross post from the crossover thread, seemed relevant

WHY SUPERGIRL'S FALL FINALE WASN'T MORE CONNECTED TO THE ARROWVERSE CROSSOVER (IGN)

During a Q&A after a "Heroes v Aliens" screening event, executive producer Andrew Kreisberg explained to members of the press why Supergirl (the show, not the character) is significantly less involved in the crossover...

"Part of what made it a little bit difficult was all the other shows – Flash, Arrow and Legends -- all have a subsequent episode to the crossovers, but with Supergirl, it was our midseason finale," he said. "We wanted to make sure that episode 8 of Supergirl spoke to what had been happening on the first seven episodes of Supergirl and not just as a tie in."

More at the link. There were also some logistical hurdles as well.

 

[jb1234]

oh i dont doubt that, it's just that I fell off a couple of episodes ago. Need to catch up.

Thought this was going to be standalone.

It's the mid-season finale. It was never going to be standalone.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

oh i dont doubt that, it's just that I fell off a couple of episodes ago. Need to catch up.

Thought this was going to be standalone.

I feel you. They've been open about it...but I personally think the marketing has been a wee bit deceptive on what this was. Like for preview stuff they mainly just showed the 25 secs worth of crossover stuff instead of plot relevant scenes for the episode. There wasn't some big conspiracy saying this was a major part of the crossover, they were upfront about its relevance. But the marketing definitely obscured that this would be a Supergirl episode first and foremost. Almost completely

 

[Joni]

Cross post from the crossover thread, seemed relevant

WHY SUPERGIRL'S FALL FINALE WASN'T MORE CONNECTED TO THE ARROWVERSE CROSSOVER (IGN)



More at the link. There were also some logistical hurdles as well.

They need to start the full alignment, including merging the universes.

 

[StarCreator]

I don't think they explained human immunity, so headcanon time:

Cadmus would not have released a virus that would kill all humans. They tinkered with it enough, using the Kryptonian immunity as a template.

Seemed to be the clear implication to me, with super-mom's later use of it to kill only the White Martian cells in J'onn serving as confirmation how it's apparently possible to tailor Medusa into doing anything.

It wouldn't be quite so jarring if she was just shown administering the modified Medusa as an experiment and having both Mon-El and J'onn show a little improvement in response, rather than having both become completely cured literally within a commercial break. There was no reason to bring them right back to 100% immediately.

 

[jon bones]

Throw away character development? To me it makes complete sense why Cisco would have trouble getting over the fact that Barry more or less

Spoiler

killed his brother. I have a little sister and would be absolutely stunned if my friend had a hand in her death, intentional or not.

It would be weirder if Cisco wasn't still mad at Barry.

i was talking about Flash Point

Yeah- that's why I think the only way past this is somehow learning that either Dante's fate was much worse pre-Flashpoint or that the bad stuff that changed was specifically engineered by Reverse Flash.

that would be good... still feels weird these are all different versions of the crew

 

[jph139]

Personally I'm glad there was minimal crossover stuff. Even if it was just another "Flash hangs out" episode, I really don't care for the Flash (as a character or actor). Would much rather see the plots wrapped up. Even if it was a bit too tidy.

I'm not even sure why they bothered to make J'onn a White Martian if they were going to reverse it that easily. It's not like he's learned anything from it. Definitely the most disappointing part of this episode.

I know right? I'm like - oh, he's turning into a White Martian, so he can explore his own prejudice, perhaps they'll bring up the fact he and M'Gann both chose to live as black and make that whole theme more explicit.

But nah, "Thanks guys, really dodged that bullet, being a White Martian is gross lol!"

 

[Joni]

that would be good... still feels weird these are all different versions of the crew

It would feel like a copout, and it would not really resolve the problem: Barry didn't bother going into the past to save Dante.

 

[BrokenFiction]

They need to start the full alignment, including merging the universes.

Yep, it's time.

 

[maxcriden]

Throw away character development? To me it makes complete sense why Cisco would have trouble getting over the fact that Barry more or less

Spoiler

killed his brother. I have a little sister and would be absolutely stunned if my friend had a hand in her death, intentional or not.

It would be weirder if Cisco wasn't still mad at Barry.

What confused me about the last ep is:

Spoiler

Cisco knew in the second episode that Dante wasn't dead in Flashpoint, right? Or is this the first time he learned that?

For some reason I thought he knew that in episode 2. At least by logical deduction of

Spoiler

Barry had no idea Dante was dead (?). Barry came from a different timeline. Therefore, Flashpoint resulted in a timeline that included Dante's death.

Maybe I'm totally misremembering though. I thought for some reason it was made clear to all in the ep that Barry had no idea Dante was dead, but maybe it was just that Barry had no idea Cisco blamed him for Dante's death, but it was left open for assumption that Dante was dead in the OG timeline regardless...?

 

[Sephzilla]

Spoiler

Cisco knew in the second episode that Dante wasn't dead in Flashpoint, right? Or is this the first time he learned that?

Spoiler

Yeah this confused me as well. I thought Cisco and Barry went over this already. Maybe they only talked about why Barry isn't going to time travel anymore

 

[Toa TAK]

"Because I'm Cyborg Superman" was the worst.

They need to stop saying that name. It sounds terrible out loud and it comes from nowhere each time.

Just have him be Hank Henshaw.

BECAUSE I'M HANK HENSHAW

 

[StarCreator]

They need to stop saying that name. It sounds terrible out loud and it comes from nowhere each time.

Just have him be Hank Henshaw.

BECAUSE I'M HANK HENSHAW

BUT HANK HENSHAW IS DEAD

 

[Toa TAK]

BUT HANK HENSHAW IS DEAD

That's not what their budget is saying.

 

[fallengorn]

Oh man the Cyborg Superman lines, so so so bad.

I really am just picturing Harewood reading his script and cringing at some of the shit they put into his mouth. He mostly sells the Martian stuff, but nobody can save those CS lines. Even Kara's line about it was awful.

Did they ever establish that he has all of Superman's powers? Like, that'd make sense why he'd call himself Cyborg Superman.

Otherwise, it just sounds like he's got a boner for him.

 

[Toa TAK]

Did they ever establish that he has all of Superman's powers? Like, that'd make sense why he'd call himself Cyborg Superman.

Otherwise, it just sounds like he's got a boner for him.

Just the strength. And the heat vision I guess.

 

[mm04]

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Yeah this confused me as well. I thought Cisco and Barry went over this already. Maybe they only talked about why Barry isn't going to time travel anymore

I thought so too. This is the Berenstain Bears Mandela Effect all over again!

 

[Joni]

Did they ever establish that he has all of Superman's powers? Like, that'd make sense why he'd call himself Cyborg Superman.

Otherwise, it just sounds like he's got a boner for him.

He probably wants to play a Super Man.

 

[Patryn]

He probably wants to play a Super Man.

Yeah, the line would have worked better if it was something like "I am the REAL Super Man!"

Not saying it'd be great, but it would make more sense.

 

[Xenoboy]

Isn't he calling himself Cyborg Superman becauser Lillain said something like Lex was more of a superman than Real Superman.
Anyways, excited for for Cyborg S after the break.
Lol, Crisco still mad.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

The "I am Cyborg Superman" lines just don't work out of context. He keeps saying it because that's the name of a character from the comics who literally impersonated and looks like Superman. Supergirl's Henshaw saying it without any explanation is just weird. It's either an attempt at a homage that falls flat because it makes no sense with this version of the character or they aren't giving him any accompanying lines to explain why he is saying that.

Character itself is fine though. Id be pissed too if some alien took my identity.

 

[Septimus Prime]

I'm assuming he had to say it so the audience doesn't mix him up with Cyborg. Cause, you know, Cyborg is a moneymaker or something for DC.

Also, why would they call the virus Medusa? Did Krypton also have Greek mythology somehow?

 

[Joni]

I assume he called himself Superman because he is mad at the real one, and then people started teasing that he looked more like Cyborg.

 

[Platy]

Alex thinking that is the gay thing that makes her not normal, not the fact that she is an anti-alien superspy. Way to go inner homophobia !

Also she totally didn't deserve to get the girl after those freakouts =P

And yeah cyborg lines were cheesy and Lena screwing her mother plans is shockingly obvious.. but that was a fun episode

 

[Joni]

Noticeable. Last year Chris Wood was playing games with a girl locked behind a glass screen in quarantaine.

Alex thinking that is the gay thing that makes her not normal, not the fact that she is an anti-alien superspy. Way to go inner homophobia !

She is around anti-alien superspies all the time.

 

[Effect]

Isn't he calling himself Cyborg Superman becauser Lillain said something like Lex was more of a superman than Real Superman.
Anyways, excited for for Cyborg S after the break.
Lol, Crisco still mad.

That was the connection I made in regard to the name. However if that was suppose to be the case then they should have made that LOT clearer. Here's hoping they readdress it when the show comes back. He needs to be more then just muscle.

 

[Violence Jack]

I think Cyborg Superman might be the worst DCTV villain I've seen so far. He comes off as incredibly corny.

 

[Magwik]

I think Cyborg Superman might be the worst DCTV villain I've seen so far. He comes off as incredibly corny.

Shoulda been Dean Cain

 

[Mariolee]

They said it at the beginning, something like "Why did it kill aliens but not humans?".

I'm guessing Cadmus modified the virus.

Yeah, their entire mission statement is protecting humanity so it wouldn't make sense for them to kill humans.

I know that, but mechanically how did they modify it? We know that Medusa was able to kill all aliens except Kryptonians, so humans would be included in that. It just seems weird they couldn't include a throwaway line that said, "Cadmus must've modified it to not affect humans either." I have no huge problem with it, it just seems like sloppy inconsistent screenwriting.

Yeah- that's why I think the only way past this is somehow learning that either Dante's fate was much worse pre-Flashpoint or that the bad stuff that changed was specifically engineered by Reverse Flash.

Or by Barry presenting a sincere apology.

I would be ok with the top post but for Joni, Barry's already presented a sincere apology and it didn't work.

i was talking about Flash Point

I'm sorry, but I'm still not sure I follow how that's throwaway character development?

What confused me about the last ep is:

Spoiler

Cisco knew in the second episode that Dante wasn't dead in Flashpoint, right? Or is this the first time he learned that?

For some reason I thought he knew that in episode 2. At least by logical deduction of

Spoiler

Barry had no idea Dante was dead (?). Barry came from a different timeline. Therefore, Flashpoint resulted in a timeline that included Dante's death.

Maybe I'm totally misremembering though. I thought for some reason it was made clear to all in the ep that Barry had no idea Dante was dead, but maybe it was just that Barry had no idea Cisco blamed him for Dante's death, but it was left open for assumption that Dante was dead in the OG timeline regardless...?

Spoiler

Yeah this confused me as well. I thought Cisco and Barry went over this already. Maybe they only talked about why Barry isn't going to time travel anymore

Cisco didn't know during episode 2. That was also very sloppy writing.

 

[Joni]

I know that, but mechanically how did they modify it? We know that Medusa was able to kill all aliens except Kryptonians, so humans would be included in that. It just seems weird they couldn't include a throwaway line that said, "Cadmus must've modified it to not affect humans either." I have no huge problem with it, it just seems like sloppy inconsistent screenwriting.

Why tell what everyone already knows? Only the humans got out so it was modified.

I would be ok with the top post but for Joni, Barry's already presented a sincere apology and it didn't work.

That didn't feel like someone that understood what he did wrong. And it depends on a lot of stuff we know but cisco didn't.

 

[Mariolee]

Why tell what everyone already knows? Only the humans got out so it was modified.

The thing is they're overly explicit with literally everything else. It just seems weird they left it out.

That didn't feel like someone that understood what he did wrong. And it depends on a lot of stuff we know but cisco didn't.

Sure, I suppose. But at this point Cisco is still in grief and doesn't really want an apology. He knows Barry's being sincere which is why he predicted that Barry would be sorry. It's just that being sorry isn't enough at this point. Barry really fucked up this time. I'm OK with Cisco being angry with him. This ain't some Olicity level drama.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Sooooo are people still going to hit up the alien bar after the mass homicide or is that done? Lol

I wonder if M'gann will come back. They threw Martian Manhunter's White Martian subplot out the window in no time. I thought she'd play a big part in that...guess not.

 

[Joni]

The thing is they're overly explicit with literally everything else. It just seems weird they left it out.

It is either an improvement or just a script that ran a bit long.

I wonder if M'gann will come back. They threw Martian Manhunter's White Martian subplot out the window in no time. I thought she'd play a big part in that...guess not.

She is conveniently absent so she doesn't die. She will probably be back, they can try to cure her which fails or they might introduce those white aliens.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Or the actress got another gig. But I guess that wouldn't be such a big deal with martians being shapeshifters.

 

[Stage On]

Huge missed opportunity this episode. Cyborg Superman knocks Supergirl over and says "Nobody is going to save you now" and then a portal opens up behind them. Perfect moment for the Flash to show up and save the day and yet nothing happens.