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Survivor 32: Kaôh Rng |OT| Anything that can Kaôh Rng, will.
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Doubt it
I mean I guess considering she won, but did she really?
Michelle was shown as the outsider on more than a couple of important votes. Aubry was in charge 90% of the time she was on screen. If Michelle played a better game, they certainly didn't show us most of the time.
Orbis Tabula
Member
Alright, I'm already tired of this theme for next season.
Getting into FTC in HvV wasn't stumbling at all. She snowed Russ and that did it for her.
My guess is that its what Scott said. True or not, the jury probably had the perception that she got stronger as the game went along, the late immunity and jury advantage probably helped to sell that idea. She even owned up to being weak and needing time to find her place in the game.
RepairmanJack
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KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
But Sandra was one of the best ever, played great games that showed her understanding of the situation, and she got great edits for both wins.
Wow, that makes things pretty clear. The editors seem really pissed about this.
TimeEffect
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I love how Michelle pretends that it was all part of her game to coast through. It's one of the most annoying flaws with the show because it happens often
The jury just cant think straight
matthewwhatever
Member
I could've tolerated bitterness. I wouldn't have loved a bitter jury denying someone a win, but if they'd portrayed it that way, it would've made sense. This just...kind of happened? It's like the whole season was edited by a nihilist or something.
KeyBladerXIII
Member
"You damn kids!" vs. "This is so lit fam! #SurvivorYOLO!!!!"
streetsahead123
Banned
That preview was absolutely insufferable
That hipster one already annoying.
Still in denial? time to move on anger stage.
Please merge in episode two, so they can get past it ASAP.
By the way Probst, way to totally forget about the woman of color who got fourth place on the show. The reunions are always so bad.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
lol @ Millenials vs Gen X. This theme will be run into the ground so fast.
Yeah. If the jury had all been up there lambasting Aubry ala Russell, I would understand it. As it stands, it seems like they were just like "eh?"
Yeah. If the jury had all been up there lambasting Aubry ala Russell, I would understand it. As it stands, it seems like they were just like "eh?"
Belgian Dude
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I mean, that's what I'm mad about. Show me why she won, even if you disagree with the result, otherwise I'm going to disagree with the result too :v
RepairmanJack
Member
I'm not getting into the Sandra debate all over again, it's pointless. I just think the argument can't stand for one and not the other.
This should more be about the editors and the show not about Michele. Fans have always said the winner is justified by winning. They can't suddenly go back on that. Blame the show, don't say Michelle did shitty.
I think Aubry should have won but I'm also the one saying Sandra shouldn't have won eother time. I just don't think you can side on two different sides of the winner being deserving or not. Thats on the show, the winner is still the winner.
This should more be about the editors and the show not about Michele. Fans have always said the winner is justified by winning. They can't suddenly go back on that. Blame the show, don't say Michelle did shitty.
I think Aubry should have won but I'm also the one saying Sandra shouldn't have won eother time. I just don't think you can side on two different sides of the winner being deserving or not. Thats on the show, the winner is still the winner.
As far as I remember, her first win she didnt get a good edit. The second win was mpre focussed on Russell blowing up his own game rather than she blowing him up.
KeyBladerXIII
Member
Jeff got the fuck outta there quick.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
That's mostly what people are saying. That Michele's win makes no sense. Because we were shown no justification for it. People are upset by a story lacking in continuity.
I heard he took the cheque back from Michelle.
I really hope it's just a sort of promotional title. And they'll reveal the full title and logo later on.
Otherwise...
DAFUQ IS HAPPENING
The one and the same. Maybe we can corral together a few extra GAFers for next season then?
matthewwhatever
Member
But you could understand why Sandra won those times. You can think she didn't deserve it -- I used to be firmly on that side for her second one, but I'm much less so now -- but her winning made some kind of narrative sense. Could anyone say that about this season?
RepairmanJack
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I think the editors just love the reactions, I cam out of almost every tribal thinking they hated someone new. I think jury just liked seeing shit actually happen and we'rehaving fun with it and edit ran with the reactions.
Scot/Jason wanted her out, the Brains wanted Aubry to stay.
lol @ the "Jeff loves the season - Male Winner!" comments...which are probably true.
Orbis Tabula
Member
Hahaha, that's the worst part about the themes. There's not really any sort of interesting difference between Gen Xers and Millennials. I mean, if you gave me Baby Boomers v Millennials, I'd understand it. But instead, we're gonna have two tribes of people complaining about old v. young, and I guarantee there will be two people on opposite tribes who were born within 5 years of each other.
Honestly, though, every time they find a theme and get fixated on it, I hate it. Everytime they get hooked on "brain v brawn v beauty" or "old school v new school" it's just groanworthy. I don't need a theme, just give me some interesting people.
You cannot fathom why Scott and Jason didnt like Aubry? Just think about it. Its little plays like that won Michelle the game.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
So:
Nick: demeans Michele all game, tells her at FTC that she's dumb. Votes for Michele.
Jason: has no relationship with Michele and gets backstabbed by her. Shows respect for Aubry's competitiveness. Votes Michele.
Scot: gets backstabbed by Michele and gives her no real credit. Praises Aubry. Votes Michele.
The votes are not earned by the edit. We needed to see why those three voted for Michele to understand this result.
Julia and Cydney's votes can be understood. The dude bro trio's can't be. Why did they vote for Michele?
That's what the edit failed in telling us. If Aubry was to lose, why didn't we see what caused it?
Nick: demeans Michele all game, tells her at FTC that she's dumb. Votes for Michele.
Jason: has no relationship with Michele and gets backstabbed by her. Shows respect for Aubry's competitiveness. Votes Michele.
Scot: gets backstabbed by Michele and gives her no real credit. Praises Aubry. Votes Michele.
The votes are not earned by the edit. We needed to see why those three voted for Michele to understand this result.
Julia and Cydney's votes can be understood. The dude bro trio's can't be. Why did they vote for Michele?
That's what the edit failed in telling us. If Aubry was to lose, why didn't we see what caused it?
No actually, I cannot. Especially after the Scot tribal council had them literally sit there and say "Aubry is awesome" for 2 minutes.
RepairmanJack
Member
If only there was a reunion show...
The story of each Survivor season is almost always about one of the finalists: why they won or why they lost. This season was weird in how the story we were told was "Why Aubry won" -- but then she didn't.
I don't think Michelle's a bad winner. She's like a Danni in Guatemala. She clearly had stronger personal connections with the jurors, which is what counts. It's just weird that that's not the story we were told.
But I think maybe it's because Aubry will certainly be back, and the edit helps ensure people will be pulling for her. When a season was filmed so long ago, they had plenty of time to work on the edit not just for this season -- but to prime us for the return of some of its players.
I don't think Michelle's a bad winner. She's like a Danni in Guatemala. She clearly had stronger personal connections with the jurors, which is what counts. It's just weird that that's not the story we were told.
But I think maybe it's because Aubry will certainly be back, and the edit helps ensure people will be pulling for her. When a season was filmed so long ago, they had plenty of time to work on the edit not just for this season -- but to prime us for the return of some of its players.
streetsahead123
Banned
I can't believe one of the Gen X-ers already busted out the "Why does every kid need a participation trophy?" bullshit in the preview. I hope the season starts with 5 Gen X tribals in a row and then a merge. (Although a bunch of those millennials seemed equally insufferable).
matthewwhatever
Member
When they have confessionals from Scot and Jason saying how amazing Aubry is, and they show them openly rooting for her during the fire-making challenge...then yeah, I'm going to say that it made zero sense.
You are missing a crucial fact: Michelle wasnt in on the blindside on Scott. She didnt backstab Jason and was an ally of Nick.
Gosh, people are either not paying attention or their favoritism is blinding them hard.
RepairmanJack
Member
I actually thought the story was going to be about how Aubry got the game pulled out from under her the whole time, but it never happened. I thought from early on Michelle won and it was going to be final 2 with Michelle beating Tai because he was disliked and the story was going to all be about Tai being hated and Aubry losing because Joe got med. None of this happened and Michelle still won lol the edit was insane.
Aubry didn't backstab Scot or Jason either.
RepairmanJack
Member
Scot/Jason wanted her out, the Brains wanted Aubry to stay.
lol @ the "Jeff loves the season - Male Winner!" comments...which are probably true.
I'm calling gen x male winner right now lol. Jeff hyped the season and the theme.
She was in on Scotts eviction. Jason just holds Scott leaving as his slide in the game.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Okay, but why didn't we see that, then?
And she did blindside Nick, so I'm not sure that holds.
Why didn't we see Scot and Jason being pissed over Aubry screwing up their game? What we saw was them praising how tough she was and what a great competitor she was. We could have heard them showing bitterness towards them, but we didn't. We barely heard anything about Nick's relationship with Michele aside from him demeaning her.
The story didn't convey those facts, if that's why they voted that way.
One could understand, after watching Gabon, why Bob beat Susie, even if Susie seemed like the better player from the show. The edit sold Bob's win and why he got those four votes. The same goes for every other borderline vote or controversial vote that I can think of. Until this season.
RepairmanJack
Member
I would honestly say the edit was swayed by the feelings of the crew. Only real reason I can come up to as to why the edit wouldn't really even try to paint Michelle as a winner.
But why would that happen this season if not even Samoa Russel Hantz could get the same treatment?
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