Survivor: One World |OT| Thread of Stupid Name, Promising Twist
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bigtroyjon
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Tarzan at Ponderosa is the highlight of this shitty season.
Troyzan on Tarzan
"I thought you were out there when you were out there but you are out there."
Troyzan on Tarzan
"I thought you were out there when you were out there but you are out there."
He already saw his wife during the reward competition. He was thanking them for keeping him around long enough for that.
Crazymoogle
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Just waiting for Ponderosa at this point. Whether it's Tarzan vs. everyone else or a new episode of Jonas' Kitchen, we can't lose
Smart. She knows that Kim is double dealing, but she also knows that she has a very good argument against Kim in F3. If she makes it, she has a shot.
KibblesBits
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Sabrina has seen through a lot of the bull for a long time. She called out Kim on the boat, she called out Christina when Troyzan tried to get her to flip. She's a smart one.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Every time you have a great Survivor player running circles around the rest, you have people who say "They're not really that great; they're just surrounded by idiots". It's the other way around. Great Survivor players make their competitors look like idiots. It's easy to see the folks who are getting fooled for idiots at home, but they look like idiots because there's a master player working hard to pull the wool over their eyes and knowing exactly what to say.
UberTag
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No doubt about that. And if Sabrina is able to address the jury (either as one of the final 3 or as a juror herself) as eloquently as she did in that confessional video she should have a great deal of impact in how the final vote plays out.
If Kim and Sabrina face off against the jury, the vote should be very close. If Kim takes Sabrina out (I don't envision any scenario where the opposite happens), then I could see Sabrina make a convincing argument to still give Kim the million bucks because I don't think she would be bitter and would respect her gameplay move. Kim taking out Chelsea would be a mistake as Chelsea would be super-bitter. Alicia's a loose cannon that nobody respects and Christina's just a goat.
There's a fun thread over at Survivor Sucks posing the question, "Is Kim in the same league as Hatch, Heidik, and Parvati?". And really it's too early to say. She could have a terrible endgame and suck large in front of a confrontational jury like Amanda Kimmel (who flamed out twice due to terrible jury performances). Conversely, she could make very sound logical and convincing arguments like Yul or Earl.
We'll find out Sunday. I hope Sabrina gives her a good fight.
Could not have said it better myself.
SecretMoblin
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It's just a shame, because like Sophie last season we don't get to see nearly any of Sabrina's gameplayprobably because it's less up-front and makes for poorer entertainment than Kim's manipulations.
Yep.
Yep.
I totally agree with this. Stephen Fishbach said something similar in his People column a couple weeks ago. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20592455,00.html
Not even close, but purely because they played the game against craftier players and pulled great maneuvers. Kim hasn't been challenged enough. Only Troyzan (and possibly Sabrina) have really given her any grief.
SecretMoblin
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Heidik played a game against craftier players? Like.... Helen? And... Clay?
Agreed that Kim doesn't come close to Parvati, at least not yet. Parvati has the benefit of playing in multiple seasons and getting a lot of screen time, but she's gone up against some of the best ever and played amazingly well.
We really need a "hardcore fans" season and soon. And not another Fans vs. Favorites.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Yeah, this has been a recurring problem with the Survivor editing. Anyone who plays a subtler game doesn't really fare particularly well in the editing, and I think it's a real shame.
Yeah, if only Kim was going up against the type of crafty players who voted based on the alphabet or gave up immunity at the final 5. I'm not going to argue that Kim is 100% on par with those players, but I think that saying those guys went up against craftier players is a joke. Maybe in the case of Parvati it's true, but she certainly benefited a lot from Ice-Cream Scooper Erik being the biggest idiot in Survivor history.
The way she pulled the wool over the eyes of guys like Jay and Troyzan who seemed so smart and solid for the first 20 days of the game was masterful. She had Troy believing it was his idea to vote out Michael. Whether she can take her place among those all time greats depends on her Final Tribal performance. If she gives a Herzogian performance and plays the jury perfectly, I'll have no qualms putting her in the Top 10.
RangersFan
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i don't think Kim is overrated at all. she has played a very good game and is definitely the best strategist out there. However that is all moot if she doesn't take out Sabrina. Going to final 3 with Sabrina makes all her genius go away, Sabrina has a legit shot at winning this, probably Kim's only true rival.
As for being in the same league as Heidik? lol Heidik is one of the most overrated winners, in what was imo the worst most boring season of survivor ever. Survivor Thailand was truly a pathetic group, a cast of misfits with Heidik being the least offensive one at the end.
As for being in the same league as Heidik? lol Heidik is one of the most overrated winners, in what was imo the worst most boring season of survivor ever. Survivor Thailand was truly a pathetic group, a cast of misfits with Heidik being the least offensive one at the end.
You won't get an argument from me on that. I was thinking more of Parvati with that statement.
I'm not sure I want the bolded because I can only imagine a season full of Cochrans.
I'm not sure I want the bolded because I can only imagine a season full of Cochrans.
yellowjacket25
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I don't know if I 100% agree with this. After Rob's winning season he flat out said that if he had been on the other tribe that he probably wouldn't have been able to manipulate them the same way he did his tribe. He knew he fell into a good situation and he owned it. Kim has fallen into a similar good situation. Rob's end game looked much better then Kim's end game currently looks though.
VGChampion
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I don't see why people think Tarzan is crazy at Ponderosa. Just goes to show the guy got a nutty edit. He seemed more normal then a few others. Putting a spur on his boot for tribal council is no different than what others do.
Of All Trades
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I'm not saying she isn't playing a great game but Jay and Troyzan were on the same tribe that agreed to give up immunity so Colton could have his ridiculous way. Dumb people on Survivor are common but this season has had some truly remarkable stupidity from day 1 (and some truly awful people in Colton and Alicia, who have far surpassed my previous "worst player" of Naonka the Quitter). Almost everyone is practically falling over themselves to bring Kim to the end.
Hmm... I don't want to say Kim is in the league of Parvati, but I have to admit there are some similarities: Leading an all female alliance, having a strong final 2 deal, manipulating men effortlessly, good at challenges, ability to blindside numerous contestants, and wise with the hidden idol.
What she lacks, however, is Parvati's charm and capability to have friends in the jury.
What she lacks, however, is Parvati's charm and capability to have friends in the jury.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Jay knew it was a stupid move, but as he said in that episode, if he went against the consensus, he was setting himself up to be the next to go. I'm not saying that there aren't some dumb players in this season, but I don't think there's anyone who is legendary in that regard. Richard Hatch was up against people who had no clue what they were doing. Parvati was up against a guy who gave up individual immunity on Day 36 (a far dumber move than giving up tribal immunity less than two weeks into the game). Todd blindsided a guy who had two immunity idols in his pocket and three votes left to use them in.
Christina and Leif might not exactly be Stephen Fishbach or Rob Cesternino, but they hardly stand out in the history of 'dumb Survivor players'.
BoboBrazil
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Yeah they've been doing this for awhile. They set up a person early in the show to get people thinking that they may get voted out, but then they do the expected thing at tribal always. Of course if things weren't so predictable they probably wouldn't have to do this to create tension.
My guess is Chelsea being the one that breaks down. She seems less enthused than the others.
In some instances, I'd agree with you. With Kim, I don't. She's not a great Survivor. This season has the least intelligent cast I have ever seen. My god, one tribe actually went to tribal council intentionally.. and then voted out someone other than the person they went to vote out in the first place. That's the tip of the iceberg. If you threw her into almost any other season, she wouldn't make it close to the final three. This cast is just too stupid, too close-minded and too oblivious (aside from Sab) to see what she is doing.
She isn't making this cast look like they're idiots. They ARE idiots.
This has been going on since Jonas was voted out. Every week they show an edit of someone who is preparing to make a game-changing move and then they all vote out whoever Kim wants gone. It's getting really annoying, actually. I know they need to create some excitement, but I stopped paying attention to those because no one ever does.
If you watch Ponderosa videos, the only person still in the game they even mention is Kim. I wouldn't be surprised at a bitter jury voting for Chelsea or Sab if one of them makes it.
SecretMoblin
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I get that it's fun to play the Survivor hypotheticals game and make bizarre claims about what would happen if so-and-so had been on Tribe X with various other players from different seasons, but in the end those kinds of arguments never lead anywhere.
The fact is, players play with the circumstances they're given. We don't know how Kim would fare against Parvati or Richard Hatch or Boston Rob or Coach because we can't know, not unless they play together on a future season. Kim is not playing with a tribe full of complete idiots; the championing here and elsewhere of Troy, Jonas, Chelsea, Sabrina, Jay, and others suggests that. She was able to use the situations she was put in to her advantage, and managed to take out her threats before they grew powerful enough to take her out. Could she be terrible in a different season, with different players? Of course. But she's played this particular game with these particular players very well.
And though I certainly don't believe it's the case for many of her detractors, I honestly think the fact that she's a woman has something to do with the attempts to marginalize her gameplay. She hasn't been "lucky", and she hasn't been coasting. The fact that the jury is fixated on her is proof of that.
The fact is, players play with the circumstances they're given. We don't know how Kim would fare against Parvati or Richard Hatch or Boston Rob or Coach because we can't know, not unless they play together on a future season. Kim is not playing with a tribe full of complete idiots; the championing here and elsewhere of Troy, Jonas, Chelsea, Sabrina, Jay, and others suggests that. She was able to use the situations she was put in to her advantage, and managed to take out her threats before they grew powerful enough to take her out. Could she be terrible in a different season, with different players? Of course. But she's played this particular game with these particular players very well.
And though I certainly don't believe it's the case for many of her detractors, I honestly think the fact that she's a woman has something to do with the attempts to marginalize her gameplay. She hasn't been "lucky", and she hasn't been coasting. The fact that the jury is fixated on her is proof of that.
The fact that she is a woman has nothing to do with it. She's playing like Russell Hantz without the in-your-face attitude. She's making all the right decisions to get to the end, but she's backstabbing everyone in the game to get there. Her outcome may be different than his since she tries to keep everything subtle, but in the end, I think she will probably upset many of the jury members. It'll come down to whether or not the jury feels that she played a good game or if they're bitter and upset with her. It may work for her and it may lose her the game. No one knows until it is all over.
It doesn't change the fact that this seasons cast is one of the worst ever. I'm not saying she is a bad player, but I don't think she is great. Yes, it's true that other match-ups are hypothetical, but I think it is fair to say that if she were playing against better, more savvy players, she would probably have a much more difficult game. The only reason she is doing so well is because the people she was matched up against are all just terrible, terrible players. It's not unnatural to consider other circumstances that would affect how well she would be able to play. I'm baffled that people are comparing her to some of the great Survivors.
RangersFan
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http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2232781129/survivor-one-world-tarzan-arrives-at-ponderosa
tarzan was pretty much the only one so far happy to be out of the game. dude is crazy, every thing he did had no reason. he did absolutely nothing to win this game.
Shabadoo69
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is it just me or is Cat kinda hot now that she has cleaned up??
She is, she's the hot bimbo that you'd spend a night or two with, but knowing how stupid she is you really wouldn't want to spend quality time with her.
I think Kim is a pretty decent player. At this point, she is certainly deserving of winning, save for the blindsiding. However, I do agree that the cast this season hasn't been exceptionally bright, but this is typical of a lot of seasons, it's just not as apparent. For example, the Coach vs. Ozzy Season and the Rob vs. Russel season had an assortment of dimwitted players too. Rob's tribe worshipped him almost as much as Coach's tribe worshipped God. I mean, you have Russel's tribe throwing a challenge to vote out Russel, which eventually got them all voted out. Then you have Ozzy's tribe verbally abusing Cochran, and then, fearing his eventual fate at 6 or 7 (i forget which one) he jumps ship to Coach's Tribe and still gets voted out at 6 or 7.
So, the stupidity has always been there, there's just more of it this season. Also this season has far more useless people. Kim isn't the best ever, and if she does win, I'd probably put her in the better half of previous winners.
At least this episode showed the method to the madness of Tarzan. I still don't know the strategy that Leif had. And it still is mentally frustrating that Alicia and Christina are, not only still in the game, but trusting each other and working together. Alicia and Colton berated her and were going to vote her out until karma...I mean, until Colton became ill.
Seems like the winner will be either Sabrina, Kim, or Chelsea. Christina and Alicia are just filler.
So, the stupidity has always been there, there's just more of it this season. Also this season has far more useless people. Kim isn't the best ever, and if she does win, I'd probably put her in the better half of previous winners.
At least this episode showed the method to the madness of Tarzan. I still don't know the strategy that Leif had. And it still is mentally frustrating that Alicia and Christina are, not only still in the game, but trusting each other and working together. Alicia and Colton berated her and were going to vote her out until karma...I mean, until Colton became ill.
Seems like the winner will be either Sabrina, Kim, or Chelsea. Christina and Alicia are just filler.
Incendiary
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I think there are some rose-tinted glasses when talking about how this is the worst cast ever. Some of the greatest players in the game played with some pretty big idiots. In All-Stars, Boston Rob played with some of the "best of the best" and a lot of them acted like complete idiots and played terribly. Players like Chris, Rob Cesternino, Brian, ....the reason they're regarded as great players is that they make their supporting cast look like idiots.
Kim is a good player because she makes the rest of the cast look dumb because of how well she's playing. Not the other way around.
I've seen almost all of the seasons. Yes, at times there are dumb players and more rarely tribes that are full of dumb people. However, I've never been so blown away at how dumb every person playing the game is. I don't think you can count the Coach and Rob seasons, since they were returning players that were looked up to, rather than just any random person who was selected. I think it's slightly more understandable to follow them.
Tarzan's method was incredibly stupid. I don't know how this guy became a surgeon. I'm pretty sure that annoying everyone at camp and screwing over your tribe/alliance isn't a solid strategy. I don't know why he thought the girls would keep him around. The girls all were annoyed with him and he single-handedly screwed the men's alliance over. I'd be surprised if he had any jury votes if he managed to stumble his way into the final three.
As far as Kim is concerned, we could endlessly debate whether or not she is a good player, so I guess we'd have to agree to disagree. People who like her have their opinions set and people who dislike her have their opinions set. I still maintain that she isn't making the cast look dumb, they ARE dumb and are making her look like a better player than she is.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Hyperbole much? Aside from the men going to tribal, I can't see anything this season that has been spectacularly dumb. There hasn't been anyone on par with James or Erik or any of those legendary stupid players. Leaving aside a dumb tribal move 10 days in, the most idiotic thing anyone has done is Jay telling Kim about Troy's idol. But that wasn't even on par with Tyson voting himself out of the game in Heroes vs Villains.
That all the women seem to think they're going to the end with Kim? That's hardly stupid; it's just a good social game on her part. Chris had everyone in Vanuatu convinced he was taking them to the end.
I'm not going to argue that Alicia and Christina are geniuses, but they're hardly noteworthy as the 'dumbest cast ever' or anything.
It's just the heat of the moment people are saying the players this season are dumb. If you want to use that to describe this season, you can pretty much use it for almost every other season of Survivor as well. There's been much worse. Every season there's the players that blindly follow a leader and there's always people who don't realize what's going on in the game, that's kind of the point of the outwit/outplay/outlast slogan.
Each season has it's naive players like Kat/Colton/Alicia/Christina. I mean Colton did play a better game than the other three mentioned, but he was still a horrible person as well as Alicia. Some of the comments they made were disgusting. The only thing I'll agree on is that the men vs. woman angle of the game was unnecessary. If it happened naturally then fine, but the whole rivalry at the beginning of the game was pretty annoying... It was like watching a bunch of highschool kids. Glad they shook the tribes up a bit.
I look forward to the next all-stars season if they decide to not recycle people that have played a million times already. I can see girls like Brenda, Kim and Sophie being cast again easily.
Each season has it's naive players like Kat/Colton/Alicia/Christina. I mean Colton did play a better game than the other three mentioned, but he was still a horrible person as well as Alicia. Some of the comments they made were disgusting. The only thing I'll agree on is that the men vs. woman angle of the game was unnecessary. If it happened naturally then fine, but the whole rivalry at the beginning of the game was pretty annoying... It was like watching a bunch of highschool kids. Glad they shook the tribes up a bit.
I look forward to the next all-stars season if they decide to not recycle people that have played a million times already. I can see girls like Brenda, Kim and Sophie being cast again easily.
This is bullshit. The other players around her look plenty dumb all on their own, and in their conversations and dealings with other people that have nothing to do with Kim. People are acting like you have to make a spectacularly stupid move that hurts yourself to be regarded as a "dumb" person in this game, but that just isn't true. You can just generally be stupid and ignorant and bumble your way through the game because the slightly smarter people will keep you around... and there's a smorgasbord of those types on this season.
Have you been watching the same season that I have? It would be shorter to list the intelligent moves that anyone has done. You're comparing single players. I'm comparing the entire cast. I'm flabbergasted each week at how terrible everyone is at this game and all the stupid things they do. I've never felt that way before and I've seen almost every season of Survivor.
It's good social game for Kim to make everyone think they're going to the end with her until all of them, aside from two, are voted out and on the jury. I'm convinced that Kim winning or losing comes down to whether or not the jury is bitter with her for lying and deceiving almost everyone, all the time or if they will decide that she was the best player and deserves the win. I think either outcome is very plausible.
Not to mention how lackluster everyone is in challenges. Every challenge looks like game-night at the old folks home, aside from Kim and the one other person who actually wants to try that week (see Alicia, Kat).
If someone else than Kim wins at this point I have to wonder what the editing team is trying to achieve. Whoever beats Kim is going to get the Natalie White treatment as "the game is flawed". Sabrina's comments about her social game weren't even shown outside of the extra clips online so she's been invisible, Chelsea is seen as a follower and the Alicia/Christina are both quite terrible in their own ways.
Pachterballs
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caught up yes.. so looking forward to the final.
Alicia/Tarzan/Christina are fucking dumb arses. They the oppourtunity to turn the game around but they didn't. Mike giving tarzan the finger was interesting. Should have gone with Troyzan Christina. What a bunch of idiots.
Kat is also a complete dumbarse. Her tribal council would be so embarrasing and humiliating for her to watch. "blindsides are fun and exciting." ... tears
Give kim credit for everything she did in this game but I don't think she's going to win. If anything, she's now the biggest thread and will be booted before the final 3. I do want her to win if she can make it to the final
Right now sabrina/chelsea should blindside kim and get her/the other out. leaving them the way forward to the end. no one will vote for alicia and christina.
Alicia/Tarzan/Christina are fucking dumb arses. They the oppourtunity to turn the game around but they didn't. Mike giving tarzan the finger was interesting. Should have gone with Troyzan Christina. What a bunch of idiots.
Kat is also a complete dumbarse. Her tribal council would be so embarrasing and humiliating for her to watch. "blindsides are fun and exciting." ... tears
Give kim credit for everything she did in this game but I don't think she's going to win. If anything, she's now the biggest thread and will be booted before the final 3. I do want her to win if she can make it to the final
Right now sabrina/chelsea should blindside kim and get her/the other out. leaving them the way forward to the end. no one will vote for alicia and christina.
SecretMoblin
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Eh, it's possible they could have been building her up this season because she collapses spectacularly in the final tribal councilwhich would be a blast to watch happen, frankly. Or she becomes the final jury member when the others figure something out and scramble, which is almost certainly not going to happen.
Regardless of the outcome, I'm fully prepared for a terrible reunion show focused entirely on Colton and Tarzan, complete with awkward non-apologies from Colton and Alicia.
Harry Potter
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Finale night!
So Kim can only use her idol for the next tribal right?
So Kim can only use her idol for the next tribal right?
VGChampion
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Don't forget Jeff walking out into the audience looking for past contestants from non-returning player seasons.
Is this the first season since they started doing the recap episodes we didn't get one? I can't remember if we went two weeks without an episode this season but one never popped up.
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