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[Lethal01]

PS5 has some impressive leaps in PS4 games even going to 120 fps. PS4 also adds RT, probably a bigger leap on the CPU, and a bigger leap on the storage speeds. Yes Switch does have DLSS but it doesn't seem to even be used at all strangely, neither is the RT capability from what I can tell? It's in the same ballpark as the Switch upgrade. So yes, Switch 2 IS a generational leap over the Switch 1.

....But as mentioned before, the less competitive base of the Switch is the issue. It was really underpowered in 2017.

Switch 2 is a decent upgrade but again, my main complaint is that it could have been more modern with a higher gap on the dock for console focused play. Really actually disappointed that Nintendo doesn't just release a dock only for people that want a higher powered console without the handheld. I'm basically paying for an LCD screen that I'll never use.

So the witch 2 isn't impressive becaue you want there to be a console version so you ignore the reality that it's mobile hardware.
For it's size the amount of power is extremely imprestive at the time the switch released it was also extremely good, again you just seem to dislike it because it was a small mobile chipset and that's not what you pesronally want.

The reality is that its as big if not bigger of a jump than ps4 to ps5 and the bringing up that a device that's 5x its size can give you better performance at a lower price i retarded.

But I suppose that the PS5 isn't a next gen device because my $2000 pc destroyed it and the PS4 CPU was weaker than I wanted.

 

[Gaiff]

Yes and no. Compared to the original Switch it's a huge upgrade worth of being called "next-gen" but they're once again using outdated tech and charging a fortune for it. Being almost as expensive as a PS5 while being light years away from one is not something that screams "next gen". Even in the portable space, the ROG Ally X is far better despite running unoptimized generic PC code.

Ampere GPUs aren’t outdated. It’s seemingly based on the T239 and there’s no better Tegra chip coming out until the end of the year.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Ampere GPUs aren’t outdated. It’s seemingly based on the T239

Which is allegedly a stripped down T234 released in 2022

 

[Kataploom]

Which is allegedly a stripped down T234 released in 2022

So they added Ada features and it's stepped down, lol

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Which is allegedly a stripped down T234 released in 2022

It's basically a chip for robotics/automotive. There are things on that chip that make no sense to include while in the Switch 2. I also read how 256-bit might be cut down to 128. I want to see a full spread of the specs. I really want to get this thing on Day 1, but the launch titles and game prices are a big turnoff.

 

[dcx4610]

I mean is the SNES a "pro" version of the NES? In some ways it is. The Switch 2 is different and upgraded enough to qualify as next gen in my opinion. Consoles in general are in a weird space now though where they are just marginal upgrades of the previous models instead of something radically different. It's just how it is now.

The Switch was a several generations old Nvidia tablet. The Switch 2 at least has modern specs. It's not powerful per se but it's respectable and at least it isn't underpowered and obsolete out of the gate.

 

[Mr Hyde]

It's a massive leap over the Switch 1 so yes of course. Both dock and handheld are improved tenfold with some very nice tech behind it. It's probably Nintendos most impressively specced device ever.

 

[neocycle]

It's a massive leap over the Switch 1 so yes of course. Both dock and handheld are improved tenfold with some very nice tech behind it. It's probably Nintendos most impressively specced device ever.

Nintendo always had the strongest consoles until Wii.

 

[Boss Mog]

Ampere GPUs aren’t outdated. It’s seemingly based on the T239 and there’s no better Tegra chip coming out until the end of the year.

It's been 5 years and 2 generations since Ampere so yeah I'm gonna call it outdated.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Seems like a switch pro to me. Bigger screen, worse battery, convoluted way to play old games.

But the price is next gen. Just upscaling shit doesn't make a new gen

 

[bad guy]

Its based on Ampere so it's last gen.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Then what seems to be the problem?

Switch 2 is not meant to be the next gen to PS5 or Series consoles.

Exactly, it’s a full generational leap over Switch 1, that’s all that’s needed.

Visually it’s like going from a hypothetical PS3 Pro to PS4 Pro.

 

[DenchDeckard]

If it was a switch pro all the games would run on the og switch.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Its based on Ampere so it's last gen.

Cyberpunk says otherwise

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

For everyone trying to now label the S2 as a console so it fits their narrative regarding how it stacks up performance wise to the PS5 and XSX, please keep this same energy when it comes to sales threads and how the Switch and S2 stack up to the PS5 and XSX.

You're talking to one of the biggest Sony fanboys on this site so good luck with that. Everything he argues will be through that Sony lens.

 

[Robb]

Just upscaling shit doesn't make a new gen

From what I’ve understood it’s not upscaling anything and DLSS isn’t even being used(?), despite NVIDIA claiming it is a feature.

 

[seething left]

Considering how shitty third party ports of old games were running that were shown in the direct, I'd say it's rather an incremental update. An expensive one, but still.

 

[tamago84]

Ever since wii Nintendo never went after cutting edge graphics

 

[Markio128]

I’m sort of on the fence, with one foot in the ‘yes’ camp.

Personally, I wish Nintendo had released a handheld and a home console separately, but that ship has definitely sailed following the success of the OG Switch.

And that is what’s putting me off the Switch 2 - the fact that I didn’t really feel the love for the OG Switch. Oh, and the price is another factor, but that’s for a different thread.

If I had to choose, then I’d say ‘yes’, but through gritted teeth. For what it is, there is enough of a jump to qualify it as next-gen, when compared to OG Switch.

 

[Assaulty]

We went from tablet hardware that was outdated in 2017 to pc handheld hardware. For the Nintendo ecosystem its a big upgrade, but overall I struggle to call it "next gen".

If you love Nintendo exclusives its a no brainrr, but dont go and buy this thing to play third party games.

 

[bad guy]

Cyberpunk says otherwise

Yeah can't wait to see next gen Cyberpunk with all settings on low.

 

[fallingdove]

That’s all fine and dandy, but you or me saying it’s next gen because I feel like this or that isn’t of any value.

If you don’t believe the NVIDIA metrics, then post metrics you’d believe, or some other realistic quantitative way to measure what next-gen is or isn’t so that we can figure it out.

Seemingly this is a bigger jump than between PS4 to PS5, so unless we suddenly don’t count that as a ”generation” I don’t really see why Switch to Switch 2 wouldn’t be.

No offense but your suggestion is pretty stupid.

“Next gen” is as subjective a term as you can get. And you want me to try and provide quantitative data for why the Switch 2 doesn’t feel next gen? lol. Hell, Nintendo themselves were worried enough that the Switch successor wouldn’t feel “next-gen” that they numbered a console for the first time in their 40+ year history.

Next gen is always going to be a subjective term and the factors that I listed are just as valid as some research paper that I could put together on raw performance, native resolution, changes to how the plastic was manufactured, or the volume of screenshot comparison posts that Switch 2-lovers have volleyed.

 

[Kerotan]

How can you even say that? It takes ~720-900p 30fps games to 1440p60. That’s an even bigger leap than PS4 to PS5. Is the PS5 a PS4 Pro?

Yeah it basically is in a resolution and frames sense but the PS5 had a generational leap with the SSD. We've also yet to see what most switch 2 games will run at.

 

[JohnSpartanLee]

Switch 2 is the first solid Nintendo console since the GameCube.

The tech is perfectly fine to achieve 60fps for games with Nintendo-style graphics (whereas the Switch 1 started with BotW at sub-30fps and the Wii with SD resolution in 2006).

 

[Robb]

No offense but your suggestion is pretty stupid.

No, you suggesting that we talk about what we “feel” is next-gen or not is by far the stupidest thing possible.

Without a common definition there’s no discussion to be had here and no way to move forward.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Yeah it basically is in a resolution and frames sense but the PS5 had a generational leap with the SSD. We've also yet to see what most switch 2 games will run at.

Completely agree. If the switch 2 is not next gen then the Ps5 is basically a ps4 pro pro.

 

[Zathalus]

3x increase in CPU power
3x the amount of RAM
4x increase in memory bandwidth
8x faster GPU
5x faster storage
8x more storage capacity
2.25x increase in handheld screen resolution
2x increase in maximum handheld refresh rate
Addition of RT
Addition of DLSS
Numerous new software features

If this doesn’t classify it as the Switch 2, then the PS5 isn’t a new generation leap over the PS4 either.

 

[kevboard]

People saying that this is hardly an improvement over Switch 1 are weird

weird is putting it lightly... I'd use much stronger vocabulary

 

[ChoosableOne]

One small step for mankind, one giant leap for Nintendo.

 

[Onironauta]

Yes and no. Compared to the original Switch it's a huge upgrade worth of being called "next-gen" but they're once again using outdated tech and charging a fortune for it. Being almost as expensive as a PS5 while being light years away from one is not something that screams "next gen". Even in the portable space, the ROG Ally X is far better despite running unoptimized generic PC code.

Rog Ally X is much more expensive, doesn't support AI upscaling (RDNA 3 is stuck with FSR 3), has a smaller screen, it's bulkier and heavier

As a PC handheld owner (Legion Go), can't deny the Switch 2 hardware looks appealing and not outdated

 

[Gaiff]

It's been 5 years and 2 generations since Ampere so yeah I'm gonna call it outdated.

No, it’s been just over 4 years. 2 generations of GPUs isn’t outdated. You think a 3090 is outdated? Nah.

 

[peish]

has nintendo posted a full specs of SW2?

I think they are being disrespectful, even Apple posts their specs.

 

[Shaki12345]

Its based on Ampere so it's last gen.

Next gen isn't based on the tech used but a new generation of new products.

 

[FireFly]

It's been 5 years and 2 generations since Ampere so yeah I'm gonna call it outdated.

Ada and Blackwell deliver almost the exact same architectural performance outside of RT/upscaling. And all of AMD's recent APUs use RDNA 3.5, which is barely any faster than RDNA 2, also released in 2020, while being far slower in RT and lacking ML-based upscaling entirely.

It seems people are reacting to words like "Ampere" or "8 nm" without any understanding of the underlying technology or what Nintendo is actually offering.

Edit: Technically Blackwell does get a boost due to GDDR7, but I don't know if that is available in ultra low power applications.

 

[Physiognomonics]

It's about PS3 to PS4 upgrade. So a real next gen step. But from 3DS to Switch was 2 next-gen upgrades.

We'll know better when comparing those third party games to PS4 versions. Hogwart, Cyberpunk (540p 30fps !) and Elden Ring. Right now, it's about at PS4 power using Elden Ring (but we are not sure if they were using docked or portable version). DLSS and VRR (in handheld mode) might elevate the Switch 2 versions and make the Switch 2 versions a better experience, we'll see.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It's about PS3 to PS4 upgrade. So a real next gen step. But from 3DS to Switch was 2 next-gen upgrades.

We'll know better when comparing those third party games to PS4 versions. Hogwart, Cyberpunk (540p 30fps !) and Elden Ring. Right now, it's about at PS4 power using Elden Ring (but we are not sure if they were using docked or portable version). DLSS and VRR (in handheld) might elevate the Switch 2 versions and make the Switch 2 versions a better experience, we'll see.

Indeed, Switch was a 0.5 gen leap over Wii U and a 2 gen leap over 3DS

 

[Kerotan]

Completely agree. If the switch 2 is not next gen then the Ps5 is basically a ps4 pro pro.

Nowadays it takes 2 pros to reach a new gen so I'd call it that. While there wasn't a switch Pro there could have been so I won't say Switch isn't next gen. In terms of portables it is. But the increases we're seeing Gen to gen aren't as noticeable anymore hence why you get pro vibes especially with backwards compatibility.

 

[Robb]

has nintendo posted a full specs of SW2?

Not that I’ve seen. I feel like it’s like this every new Nintendo generation.

We probably won’t know all the details until someone actually picks it apart.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I've not seen the specs but I have an agenda so I'll go with Pro

 

[Mister Wolf]

Rog Ally X is much more expensive, doesn't support AI upscaling (RDNA 3 is stuck with FSR 3), has a smaller screen, it's bulkier and heavier

As a PC handheld owner (Legion Go), can't deny the Switch 2 hardware looks appealing and not outdated

Nor does it support microSD express.

 

[Woopah]

PS5 has some impressive leaps in PS4 games even going to 120 fps. PS4 also adds RT, probably a bigger leap on the CPU, and a bigger leap on the storage speeds. Yes Switch does have DLSS but it doesn't seem to even be used at all strangely, neither is the RT capability from what I can tell? It's in the same ballpark as the Switch upgrade. So yes, Switch 2 IS a generational leap over the Switch 1.

....But as mentioned before, the less competitive base of the Switch is the issue. It was really underpowered in 2017.

Switch 2 is a decent upgrade but again, my main complaint is that it could have been more modern with a higher gap on the dock for console focused play. Really actually disappointed that Nintendo doesn't just release a dock only for people that want a higher powered console without the handheld. I'm basically paying for an LCD screen that I'll never use.

Out of curiosity, when/why did you stop playing portable games?

 

[kevboard]

 

[Reaseru]

3x increase in CPU power
3x the amount of RAM
4x increase in memory bandwidth
8x faster GPU
5x faster storage
8x more storage capacity
2.25x increase in handheld screen resolution
2x increase in maximum handheld refresh rate
Addition of RT
Addition of DLSS
Numerous new software features

If this doesn’t classify it as the Switch 2, then the PS5 isn’t a new generation leap over the PS4 either.

There is no point discussing these things with people that defended that Concord was a great game to death. If it's not Playstation (and I'm a Playstation user since the PS1 days), it's technologically shit, even if it's a portable hybrid trying to be affordable for most of the consumers (for the present day).

 

[cireza]

"True" next-gen died after PS360.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I still prefer software over hardware like Silent Hill Shattered Memories on the original Wii, I wouldn't bother getting a 100 of these on a dated hardware or Bioshock Infinite, Duke Nukem.

 

[Mister Wolf]

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Considering how shitty third party ports of old games were running that were shown in the direct, I'd say it's rather an incremental update. An expensive one, but still.

If all you saw was the Direct footage then I would agree with you, it’s looks rather bad however, we now know in hindsight that the stream was severely compromised and the actual Direct Feed footage is a shit ton better.

Nintendo did themself no favors by having such a borked first showing but if you see Yakuza 0 (running at 4k60) or Street Fighter 6 or Hades II you’ll be be able to see the actual merits of the console.


Even the first party stuff didn’t look great till Treehouse Live.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Next gen would mean it should be PS6 level in power.

So I voted no.

That is not OP’s question

 

[Buggy Loop]

Ampere GPUs aren’t outdated. It’s seemingly based on the T239 and there’s no better Tegra chip coming out until the end of the year.

And it’s a custom one

Leaks indicates that T239 had Ada’s power gating and a decompression engine which is not available in any RTX.

Arguing with these peoples is like arguing with a wall. The goal post keeps moving.

Just a few months ago peoples were telling me I’m crazy for saying DLSS will be on Swifch 2

Just a few months ago peoples were telling me I’m crazy that switch architecture will easily surpass PS4 baseline for equivalent TFlops because GPUs are now much more efficient

Even my estimates I said it wouldn’t match series S but that DLSS will leverage it a lot and at the least eclipse FSR pixel soup on those base consoles, but now we have an example of Switch 2 surpassing Series S so even I was too conservative and peoples were going fucking nuts over my predictions

Peoples still making claims in this very thread in the past days that age faster than milk. Time to stop guys. You’re embarrassing yourselves at the same levels as 2017 switch prediction thread and peoples looking at your claims in a couple years will have a laugh for sure.

There’s too many goddamn receipts I could go through.

I’m on the right side of history so far

 

[Tams]

To me, 'gimmicks' mark a new generation much more than computing power.

The Switch 2 is barely different in that regard.

I'll still get one though.