Switch 2…a true next gen Switch or a Switch Pro?
- Thread starter LordOcidax
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Was the new 3ds next gen too at that time? The base 3ds couldn't run Xenoblade
fallingdove
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It's impossible to define "next-gen". It's different for everyone and it always has been.
You and every other Nintendo fan (who haven't even played the console yet btw) are desperately trying to elevate the power of the system so that it isn't, once again, perceived as the underpowered console for kids. You are doing so by holding on to a statement from a GPU manufacturer who has not only outright lied about the capabilities of their tech in the past, who's sole responsibility it is to make their tech sound as industry leading and cutting edge as possible.
We have that statement alongside those from an outlet that focuses on pixel and frame counting. They are saying that every game shown fell into the 1080p/30 1440p/30 realm with Cyberpunk displaying at 540p/30.
So again, what objective truth is to be had here? Where is that indisputable definition that is somehow going to bring reason to the opinion-based conversation that has raged on since the beginning of console history?
Robb
Gold Member
You said you don't believe the NVIDIA metric so I asked you to provide a metric you believe in to get an answer.
It's not like the NVIDIA metric is the "objective truth" about anything being next-gen or not. But it sure as hell is a better measure than what you or me personally find impressive or not. There needs to be comparable quantifiable baseline, otherwise the discussion is utterly pointless.
But hey, lets just throw in whatever.. The Switch 2 comes with built in PC controllers so I'd say it's a gen ahead of Ps5.
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fallingdove
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Cool - so ignore the DF analysis.You said you don't believe the NVIDIA metric so I asked you to provide a metric you believe in to get an answer.
It's not like the NVIDIA metric is the "objective truth" about anything being next-gen or not. But it sure as hell is a better measure than what you or me personally find impressive or not. There needs to be comparable quantifiable baseline, otherwise the discussion is utterly pointless.
But hey, lets just throw in whatever.. The Switch 2 comes with built in PC controllers so I'd say it's a gen ahead of Ps5.
For someone so desperate for irrefutable truth, you seem to cherry pick as much as anyone. Good job, you win man-child!
Schachtier
Member
Its like what PS5 is to PS4. It brings barely anything new to the party rather than raw power.
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Robb
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If you consider discussing and arguing based on opinions as a good thing more power to you. Have fun with that.
The only point I wanted to make was that I find it utterly pointless for someone to say "I didn't find this and that impressive so it's obviously not next gen!" while someone else can say "I find that and this super impressive so it is obviously next gen!".
It's not really a jab at you if that's what you thought. I guess we can just end it there. Sorry if you felt things got too heated, wasn't intentional.
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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Was there a different expectation when it comes to what it should've/could've been?
SkylineRKR
Member
Isn't it 10x performance of NSW?
That would equal a 18tf PS5 when taking the base PS4 as a a metric.
That would equal a 18tf PS5 when taking the base PS4 as a a metric.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The new 3ds had how many games that didn't run on 3ds?
Emphasis on ALL switch 2 games would run on the og switch if it wasn't next gen.
Lysandros
Member
No, it has not.
Lysandros
Member
It would. In an alternate reality where a single GPU metric scales perfectly with "performance".
fallingdove
Member
Nothing heated about the conversation. Two opinions, neither of them valid or invalid.
You are excited about the Switch 2 — it seems like you are a Nintendo superfan (I am not), so you are naturally going to argue about the S2 being something special; I am going to be skeptical as I haven't been impressed with Nintendo hardware since the Wii.
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Guardian Monkey
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Yes, it has does.
Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz.
- Xbox Series S CPU:
- 8 cores
- 3.6 GHz clock speed (3.4 GHz with SMT)
- Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
- PlayStation 5 CPU:
- 8 cores
- Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
- Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
Xbox Series S CPU is Faster Than the PS5's
A source reveals that Microsoft is using the same CPU for both the Xbox Series S and X, making both consoles able to perform faster than the PS5.
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Midway-AGNC-
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People are completely out of their mind if they believe this isn't a big jump from the OG Switch.
LordOcidax
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Lysandros
Member
Series S CPU is running at 3.4 GHz with SMT while PS5's is at 3.5 GHz with SMT, how is this resulting in XSS CPU having "more compute" exactly? If we are talking about real world compute throughput there are also other facets to consider besides this elementary aspect, like I/O reserves, interconnect latencies, API differences etc.Yes, it has does.
Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz.
- Xbox Series S CPU:
- 8 cores
- 3.6 GHz clock speed (3.4 GHz with SMT)
- Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
- PlayStation 5 CPU:
- 8 cores
- Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
- Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
Xbox Series S CPU is Faster Than the PS5's
A source reveals that Microsoft is using the same CPU for both the Xbox Series S and X, making both consoles able to perform faster than the PS5.
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SkylineRKR
Member
Yes, it has does.
Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz.
- Xbox Series S CPU:
- 8 cores
- 3.6 GHz clock speed (3.4 GHz with SMT)
- Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
- PlayStation 5 CPU:
- 8 cores
- Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
- Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
Xbox Series S CPU is Faster Than the PS5's
A source reveals that Microsoft is using the same CPU for both the Xbox Series S and X, making both consoles able to perform faster than the PS5.
Its known the best thing about the XSS was the CPU. The problem is the rest, mainly the RAM and bandwith.
Guardian Monkey
Member
That's leaving out the whole up to 3.5ghz. As I said it has more compute power. Anyhow this is besides the main point I making stating that the switch 2 cpu side won't be comparable.
Lysandros
Member
PS5 CPU is running at 3.5 GHz most of the time with occasional minor drops, that is the default frequency in a sense. Besides this i agree, Switch 2 CPU should be much less powerful based on leaks and this will undeniably make an impact in CPU intensive scenarios.
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Madjaba
Member
For some yeah it could have been different and for others it fits the bill.
But whatever "side" you are we're not talking about "next-gen".
Woopah
Member
Its not more powerful than a Series S. At all.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
cyberpunk and streetfighter 6 beg to differ.
Woopah
Member
It has more modern architecture, but the power draw is lower.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
I guess if you only consider "next-gen" the next advancement relative to other consoles. Like a theoretical PS6. Switch 2 is about as forward thinking as a handheld can be in 2025. The ROG Ally X and Legion Go are not a generation beyond the Switch 2
Schmendrick
Member
I don`t get the discussion....
Ofc it`s a next gen device if you look at Nintendo`s ecosystem.
And as a handheld it`s not comparable to the stationaries anyways....
Ofc it`s a next gen device if you look at Nintendo`s ecosystem.
And as a handheld it`s not comparable to the stationaries anyways....
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
You are right and yet I think it is comparable to the stationaries (I like that term) in so far as getting competitive and competent versions of yet to be released games.
(Leave GTA6 off the map for now)
There are games that just don't work on Switch One regardless of how much magic the most talented team put into it. Right now I don't think there is any game out that can't run on the switch 2 (maybe Black Myth WoKong but that's another story)
There was a significant difference in PlayStation 2 and Xbox 2001 but they all got the same games. This kinda feels like that.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Went and watched through this because that video & the channel will likely be nuked by the end of today
. Nintendo lawyers aren't playing around.But anyway, basically these dudes got a Switch 2 motherboard off the black market, bought it, decapped it, and tested the GPU & CPU for performance. Well, they actually tested PC & mobile GPU/CPU equivalents at as close to Switch 2 settings as possible (assuming clock leaks from earlier are accurate).
They got games like Black Myth Wukong running well at 30 and even 40 FPS in docked mode. I'd say general expectation for graphics performance is going to be around PS4 Pro and Series S when docked and utilizing DLSS, and I think that's basically what the video's conclusion is too, but some games are understandably going to come in lower than that. From my own calculations (if right), the TF performance is ~ 3.1 TF, which is obviously lower than both Series S & PS4 Pro's TFs, but you have to consider Switch 2 is using a newer architecture with newer features, and that with DLSS it should balance out performance to levels of those systems or slightly better in certain areas, depending on the game.
Worth noting, the simulated tests, IMO you can probably add another 30% on top of their results for what actual Switch 2 performance would be. Gotta consider they're running tests on hardware using completely different OSes, APIs, and hardware configurations. Windows is naturally going to be a lot more bloated and memory hog than whatever OS the Switch 2 is using. Even with the mobile game tests, you've got a lot of suspended background processes eating away at battery, a more bloated OS, and more power-hungry components in general. Not to mention, devs are going to do targeted optimizations for Switch 2 to further get performance up.
Gambit2483
Member
Went and watched through this because that video & the channel will likely be nuked by the end of today
But anyway, basically these dudes got a Switch 2 motherboard off the black market, bought it, decapped it, and tested the GPU & CPU for performance. Well, they actually tested PC & mobile GPU/CPU equivalents at as close to Switch 2 settings as possible (assuming clock leaks from earlier are accurate).
They got games like Black Myth Wukong running well at 30 and even 40 FPS in docked mode. I'd say general expectation for graphics performance is going to be around PS4 Pro and Series S when docked and utilizing DLSS, and I think that's basically what the video's conclusion is too, but some games are understandably going to come in lower than that. From my own calculations (if right), the TF performance is ~ 3.1 TF, which is obviously lower than both Series S & PS4 Pro's TFs, but you have to consider Switch 2 is using a newer architecture with newer features, and that with DLSS it should balance out performance to levels of those systems or slightly better in certain areas, depending on the game.
Worth noting, the simulated tests, IMO you can probably add another 30% on top of their results for what actual Switch 2 performance would be. Gotta consider they're running tests on hardware using completely different OSes, APIs, and hardware configurations. Windows is naturally going to be a lot more bloated and memory hog than whatever OS the Switch 2 is using. Even with the mobile game tests, you've got a lot of suspended background processes eating away at battery, a more bloated OS, and more power-hungry components in general. Not to mention, devs are going to do targeted optimizations for Switch 2 to further get performance up.
Yea, it sounds to me like Switch 2 is a very capable device, especially with it's GPU (for a handheld).
However, They couldn't get MH Wilds to run on the simulated specs...I'm hoping Capcom was involved in the development of the hardware this time. It would be a shame if they couldn't get the game to run on Switch 2, even with optimizations
delirium trigger
Member
For me, Switch looks great in handheld, but the screen is too small. The docking feature is great, but everything looks like shit in docked mode.
I think the best thing Switch 2 has going for it is that it's powerful enough to look good on a tv. You're not gonna get next gen graphics but everything still looks good.
Having a 120 hz screen is also pretty awesome. I'd like to see Nintendo develop a solid fps game with simple graphics that performs really well.
I think the best thing Switch 2 has going for it is that it's powerful enough to look good on a tv. You're not gonna get next gen graphics but everything still looks good.
Having a 120 hz screen is also pretty awesome. I'd like to see Nintendo develop a solid fps game with simple graphics that performs really well.
TIGERCOOL
Member
every hands on I've read/watched has said it feels like a proper generational jump from the switch, even from the ones that went in skeptical.
if you want to go beyond simple horsepower, the screen features alone have exceeded most people's expectations (120hz, gsync, HDR, and a reportedly very nice/large LED display).
when you throw dlss in the mix you're going to see some impressive results.
Did people really expect a portable PS5 here?
if you want to go beyond simple horsepower, the screen features alone have exceeded most people's expectations (120hz, gsync, HDR, and a reportedly very nice/large LED display).
when you throw dlss in the mix you're going to see some impressive results.
Did people really expect a portable PS5 here?
LordOcidax
Member
MH Wilds doesn't looks that impressive graphically speaking to begin, i think there's and issue with the engine itself.
LordOcidax
Member
The diminishing returns in action… Same for the games.
Kataploom
Gold Member
The issue is that it wasn't designed for open world games, I thought we already realized it when DD2 came out
LordOcidax
Member
Yes, Capcom needs to go back to the drawing board for the engine, and if they do that we are going to see big performance improvements for every platform. But knowing Capcom…
cinnamonandgravy
Member
went from a single potato to a whole sack
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I'm sure Capcom would freeze Hell on earth and bend over backwards to get MH Wilds running on Switch 2. They're probably doing that right now...maybe they're to blame for everything happening in the world right now?
Could be, but doesn't it use the same RE Engine as the RE remakes? And those look & run phenomenally.
Could just be an issue or choice on the team's part who makes the game.
That would suck a bit since I'm hopeful for some big innovations with PS6, but my expectations there also deflate a bit more each passing day.
I just wanna see GTA6 on Switch 2 @ 1080p40 just to finally shut up people saying the system's gonna be too weak for modern AAA ports. I mean yeah, it won't look or run as well as on PS5 and Series X, but I'm sure with optimizations & running docked, it'll run just about as well as Series S version and with somewhat better RT.
LordOcidax
Member
Looks like there's an issue with the engine and open world games.
