NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Switch 2…a true next gen Switch or a Switch Pro?
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
James Sawyer Ford
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Ok, but that doesn’t make switch 2 impressive hardware in 2025, which is what we care about, not labels like “is it a generational leap”
Switch 1 in 2017 was weak, and Switch 2 in 2025 is still weak
The Nintendo games will look good due to art and limitations, third party ports will be far less desirable
Different year, same story
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Shaki12345
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Nvidia said the S2 is 10x more powerful©®™
amigastar
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Yeah, that should give a huge graphics boost compared to Switch 1. Can't wait for newer Switch 2 games to utilize the Switch 2 hardware even better.
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RoadHazard
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I mean, everything we've seen so far looks rather Switch 1.5. There's no generational leap in graphics. Stuff if just higher resolution and framerate. At the same time, this thing is clearly doing things the original Switch couldn't. Like MKW, the Switch could render pretty much those graphics if constrained to closed tracks like MK8, but in an open world like that? No. So it's more than just a Pro upgrade, but it also doesn't really feel like a true generational leap in terms of graphics. But many would probably say the same about PS4 vs PS5.
I figured out the perfect way to improve the Switch 2's value proposition. All they need to do is remove the dock and disable video out on the unit. Then it's no longer a terrible home console and is just a slightly more expensive Steam Deck.
RodriGames40
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Look at TW3's Switch port and compare it to the Cyberpunk Switch 2 footage we have. If that's an 1.5... There is little reason to argue here.
Maybe $599 after tariffs are finalised.
Ritsumei2020
Who did they think I was shilling for?
Get a JP console for $300
Woopah
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Do you think the PS4 was barely an improvement over PS3?
So if you don't care if its a generational leap and you don't care about labels, why did you come into a thread specifically about that topic and give it a label?
The laws of physics apply. It's like saying laptops don't have impressive technology if they don't perform like a desktop.
Did you like your Vita, or did you think it was weak and unimpressive?
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They also said this:
""4090 performance at $549."
That’s what Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said of the GeForce RTX 5070 when he announced the card at CES in January."
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Shaki12345
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I am sure this dude knows what he's talking about.
Buggy Loop
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RoadHazard
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True, that is one of few examples we've seen that really does look like a generational leap (although it does seem very low res, just like all those "impossible" Switch ports). None of Nintendo's own stuff does. They seem to be prioritizing image quality and performance instead, which is by no means a bad thing, but it does give off that "Pro" vibe.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Has there been any high quality videos released showing extended gameplay of Cyberpunk 2077? I'm wondering due to wanting to know how the game will look and run on Switch 2
RodriGames40
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Only the video posted a page ago, I think. It's in the most demanding part of Dogtown, which also blows me away.
James Sawyer Ford
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Because “generational” isn’t some fixed term, some people compare it to previously weak hardware, others consider it to be in reference to hardware that exists on the market presently
It’s meaningless without context
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Codes 208
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its next gen. Even if low-balled to the specs of a steam deck that already makes it about 5x faster than the og switch.
When i think pro, i think 2x-3x faster (or barely under 70% extra in the ps5 pro’s case)
When i think next gen i think a marginal gap in quality with its previous gen (botw going from 900p/30fps to 1440p/60fps or MP4 looking to be 1080p/60fps to 4k/60fps)
And of course: games. Faster or not, I’m not going to be able to play MKW on my oled
When i think pro, i think 2x-3x faster (or barely under 70% extra in the ps5 pro’s case)
When i think next gen i think a marginal gap in quality with its previous gen (botw going from 900p/30fps to 1440p/60fps or MP4 looking to be 1080p/60fps to 4k/60fps)
And of course: games. Faster or not, I’m not going to be able to play MKW on my oled
Woopah
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So while I and Sony considered Vita to be a generational leap, you saw it as a PSP Pro.
Is that an accurate description of your view? That there has never been a generational leap ever in portable gaming?
James Sawyer Ford
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Vita didnt have a dock. And vita didn’t have any equivalent handhelds on the market
My view is that switch 2 is a big leap from switch 1, but I was hoping for a higher upgrade in docked mode to be more competitive with the XSS at a minimum
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Buggy Loop
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You had unrealistic expectations.
Hero_Select
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You don't think it's expecting too much for a hybrid to be able to preform to a current gen hardware while remaining portable and a fraction of the power draw?
It would be even more expensive and have a shittier battery life.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Maybe, but I thought they’d add more significant dock accommodations to enable higher power
I would buy a dock only switch without the handheld if they offered it as a pro alternative
Shaki12345
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Your hopes are extremely unrealistic. You're getting a LOT of bang for your buck here. Nintendo truly delivered on the spec front.
this gaf is salty and jaded now a days its sad do some who post even like video games any more?Why some of you are so salty these days?
Codes 208
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That would easily jump the price considerably too. The legion go is essentially a mix of switch with the specs of the xss and that thing is still going for $700
He's a massive purveyor of absolute bullshit.
Shaki12345
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And here I was thinking CEO's are honest people.
James Sawyer Ford
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* IF you enjoy a handheld experience
I am not a handheld first gamer.
Switch 1 looked terrible on a TV.
Switch 2 looks a lot better on a TV, with the caveat that you are playing Switch 1 designed games to take advantage of higher resolution and framerates. Basically, most of the power is going to the framerate and resolution to clean up Switch 1 level IQ, but not major increases in geometry/fidelity. And that's disappointing.
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Woopah
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Why is a dock or "equivalent handheld" now important? You just said you see generational is in reference to hardware that exists on the market, and the PS3 existed on the market.
Under that logic both the Vita and 3DS Vita were just a Game Boy Pro Pro Pro.
You had unrealistic expectations and that's OK, but it still wouldn't mean the Switch Pro label makes sense.
LordOcidax
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Steam Deck released 3 years ago, not 6.
SweetTooth
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Noted, I thought it was released 2019. I might have mixed it up with something else. But my point still stands
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Not really. Your point was that it barely edges out a 6-year-old device. Turns out said device is just 3 years old. This makes the Switch 2 nowhere near as outdated as you say.
Besides, it’s a portable device, so I’m not sure why you and James keep comparing it to a home console. It’s based on the best Tegra chip available.
Chittagong
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This is retarded. It’s the biggest generational leap Nintendo has done since N64 -> GameCube
RodriGames40
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SF6 looks sharper and with better textures than the Series S version... This port ain't too shabby either.
Fake
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RodriGames40
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Both are 60 FPS.
SweetTooth
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What is steam deck? Its portable too. And was made by a company with was less manufacturing mustles than Nintendo, and less reach logistically.
Also its not me and James who brought any console to this conversation, its the unhinged delusional fans who kept spoting PS4, PS4Pro ..and even PS5PRO!! Lol
I say good luck with that, time will tell .
Hawk The Slayer
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It looks cool enough to be consider a whole gen based on Metroid Prime 4 if you compare the Switch and Switch 2 version.
Also don't forget that we have already seen all the latest Switch games and late games usually look better than early launch games so the later Switch 2 games should look even better than the Switch 2 Metroid Prime 4 too. Imagine how good their future AAA Zelda game is going to launch or a Metroid Prime 5 etc. They are bound to look even better when they're fully done on the Switch 2 without being cross gen.
Also don't forget that we have already seen all the latest Switch games and late games usually look better than early launch games so the later Switch 2 games should look even better than the Switch 2 Metroid Prime 4 too. Imagine how good their future AAA Zelda game is going to launch or a Metroid Prime 5 etc. They are bound to look even better when they're fully done on the Switch 2 without being cross gen.
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Stuart360
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Its more powerful than i was epecting (i was thinking around PS4 level), and is a big enough jump over Switch to be classed as next gen (in terms of Nintendo lol).
The games though just looked like Switch games to be but more shiney and sharper.
Then again most current gen console games look just like last gen games at better resolutions and framerates so maybe expectations should be kept in check.
The games though just looked like Switch games to be but more shiney and sharper.
Then again most current gen console games look just like last gen games at better resolutions and framerates so maybe expectations should be kept in check.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Switch 2 exclusive, no Switch 1 version. 4K60
What game is this?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And it’s seemingly better than a Steam Deck too, so what are we arguing here?
And no, James said it wasn’t next-gen because it doesn’t match the current consoles. This doesn’t even make sense. Of course, a portable console cannot match home consoles.
It has ML upscaling, which the current consoles don’t even have. It has RT, it has 120Hz support, VRR and 4K support. These are hallmarks of a current gen device. It’s Ampere-based, so with an even more modern architecture/feature set than the PS5/SX.
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fastest finger
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Forget about resolutions and frame rate increases.
Next-gen means a console running games that it’s predecessor couldn’t.
Could Switch run Mario Kart World with 24 players?
No.
Therefore, Switch 2 is next-gen.
Next-gen means a console running games that it’s predecessor couldn’t.
Could Switch run Mario Kart World with 24 players?
No.
Therefore, Switch 2 is next-gen.
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