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[BlackTron]

Sometimes it's hard to tell what's a real anecdote and just drive by posting. Can you really see this just moving tiles on the home screen? Just because it's worse than Switch 1 doesn't mean it's that horrible, even if it is sad and dumb.

I had to set up this test in Sonic 2 to tell the difference but I guess I'll go into the home screen when I get home lol

 

[proandrad]

Could the screen have some overdrive setting not enabled? How can it be so terrible?

 

[sendit]

This doesn't matter to the average Nintendo user. Gameplay > screen response time. For those 17 ms or less, nothing else matters when you're locked in, it's just you, the game, and family.

 

[Zathalus]

Actually reading the article it appears to be a decent IPS LCD screen with the only major exception being that response time. I think John might be correct if they are not using overdrive on the LCD panel. Which should hopefully mean it can be fixed.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Honestly the ufo test screenshot is that bad its like I cant even understand how it can be that bad.....

How did they actually find a display this bad, hahaha. Jeeeebus, Nintendo you out did yourselves.

 

[sendit]

Honestly the ufo test screenshot is that bad its like I cant even understand how it can be that bad.....

How did they actually find a display this bad, hahaha. Jeeeebus, Nintendo you out did yourselves.

I read this in Trumps voice.

 

[Topher]

Actually reading the article it appears to be a decent IPS LCD screen with the only major exception being that response time. I think John might be correct if they are not using overdrive on the LCD panel. Which should hopefully mean it can be fixed.

Yeah, overall, it isn't bad. I added a summary of the findings to the OP

 

[cormack12]

This is where using mouse trails for 8 years makes me an alpha

 

[Topher]

This is where using mouse trails for 8 years makes me an alpha

I actually forgot those were a thing

 

[nowhat]

This is where using mouse trails for 8 years makes me an alpha

Or in case of Nintendo, a production model!

 

[onnextflix5]

Very noticeable when scrolling through the character select screen in MKW. Oddly I didn't notice it as much while actually racing.

That's motion blur for you, it's hides the screens flaws, try playing a game with no motion blur, can't believe Nintendo will get away with this again, is because the mainstream media don't call them out.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I read this in Trumps voice.

Hahaha, im literally at trumps IQ level right now.

 

[Von Hugh]

This doesn't matter to the average Nintendo user. Gameplay > screen response time. For those 17 ms or less, nothing else matters when you're locked in, it's just you, the game, and family.

When you are used to being crapped on and know no better

 

[Generic]

Trash screen, better wait for the revision for those mainly playing in portable

The revision with an OLED screen will be $500.

 

[MrJangles]

Those fucking mongs at DF were raving about how good the screen was a week or so back????

 

[//DEVIL//]

It looks fine to me

Same. But these numbers are shit.

Here is hope Nintendo can firmware upgrade the screen and not cheapened out on a screen that can't be firmware upgraded.

 

[metareferential]

Well, it's Nintendo. You know they cheap out whenever they can.

Let's be grateful that it's on nvidia hardware at least (and that's thanks to Switch 1 anyway).

 

[Scrawnton]

Those fucking mongs at DF were raving about how good the screen was a week or so back????

Seems the DF meme also applies to DF members as well.

Gamer: Wow this screen looks amazing!
DF: Here are the numbers to say why this screen looks like shit.
Gamer: Wow this screen looks like shit.

 

[damidu]

hell, man.
condolences to the defense force. this is what you have to work with.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Link to tests, you will need to translate in your browser:

Nintendo Switch 2付属ディスプレイの「画質」をレビュー【応答速度や色域が判明】 | ちもろぐ

任天堂の大人気ゲーム機「Switch 2」本体に付属している、あの7.9インチディスプレイの画質をレビューするオタク向け記事です。目視だけでなく、測定機材（分光測色計）も使って、搭載されている液晶パネルの性能を詳しく検証します。

chimolog.co

Not all bad. Some of the testing is very positive

Edit:

Summary of findings....

Built in speakers are now a feature of the display? Support Firmware updates? Can be charged via USB-C? I am not sure I need to give them cookies for the display being flicker free but fine… happy it is uniform.

VRR (only in handheld mode and most games do not take advantage of it), Wide color gamut, 1080p (for a 2025 screen…) is double counted (pixel density function of the size and resolution) and 120 Hz support essentially… is the same list of positives we knew with some gotchas.

The negatives like HDR that may result in more washed up colours and now the even worse than OG Switch response time, etc… seem quite inexcusable but even the article calls it "sufficient as an accessory to Switch 2" .

 

[Topher]

Built in speakers are now a feature of the display? Support Firmware updates? Can be charged via USB-C? I am not sure I need to give them cookies for the display being flicker free but fine… happy it is uniform.

VRR (only in handheld mode and most games do not take advantage of it), Wide color gamut, 1080p (for a 2025 screen…) is double counted (pixel density function of the size and resolution) and 120 Hz support essentially… is the same list of positives we knew with some gotchas.

The negatives like HDR that may result in more washed up colours and now the even worse than OG Switch response time, etc… seem quite inexcusable but even the article calls it "sufficient as an accessory to Switch 2" .

I mean.....it is "sufficient".

 

[cormack12]

Wonder if this will affect future reviews of mario in terms of responsiveness...

 

[Akuji]

hahahahahah
hahaha
haha Haha Hah hahaha ahahahahahah hahahahahahah

got a switch 2 on release date. sold it to a friends friend because he wanted it and i didnt really care.

what a shitshow this device has been.

Fuck nintendo for giving us crap. glad i dont own this POS with all the news that came out after it released. iam sensitive for this garbage so i wouldve noticed instantly ....


Well, lets see how long it takes for Metroid 4 to be playable on PC ....

 

[damidu]

Well, it's Nintendo. You know they cheap out whenever they can.

Let's be grateful that it's on nvidia hardware at least (and that's thanks to Switch 1 anyway).

i mean they out-nintendo'ed themselves, its worse than a 2017 launch switch.

 

[metareferential]

Built in speakers are now a feature of the display? Support Firmware updates? Can be charged via USB-C? I am not sure I need to give them cookies for the display being flicker free but fine… happy it is uniform.

VRR (only in handheld mode and most games do not take advantage of it), Wide color gamut, 1080p (for a 2025 screen…) is double counted (pixel density function of the size and resolution) and 120 Hz support essentially… is the same list of positives we knew with some gotchas.

The negatives like HDR that may result in more washed up colours and now the even worse than OG Switch response time, etc… seem quite inexcusable but even the article calls it "sufficient as an accessory to Switch 2" .

i mean they out-nintendo'ed themselves, its worse than a 2017 launch switch.

If budget phones can get nice high-refresh hdr screens, there's no excuse for Nintendo.

On the other hand, though, it's a perfect strategy: cheap out now, make mad bank on early adopters and hype, and get a better (but still cheap as fuck) screen down the road for a revision of the hardware.

Win-win.

 

[SweetTooth]

Maybe that's it for me. I still play my PSP-1000 occasionally so my bar for LCD screens is really low.

PSP released 2004, one of the very first commercial applications for LCDs..it was revolutionary for its time. It shouldn't even be talked about here...ever

But its Nintendo...always compared to the PAST and barely edging it. Lol

Jeez barly 1.9x the performance of PSP from 21 years ago?

3x LESS than Steam Deck? AND Slower than its own predecessor? LMAO

Never change Cheapendo! Lol

 

[Connificent]

I only play docked

 

[Kilau]

PSP released 2004, one of the very first commercial applications for LCDs..it was revolutionary for its time. It shouldn't even be talked about here...ever

But its Nintendo...always compared to the PAST and barely edging it. Lol

Jeez barly 1.9x the performance of PSP from 21 years ago?

3x LESS than Steam Deck? AND Slower than its own predecessor? LMAO

Never change Cheapendo! Lol

lol stfu weirdo.

 

[Haint]

If the Miser Kings can save a nickel using decade old hardware, they'll move mountains to make it happen. Nintendo are truly the cheapest mother fuckers on planet earth.

 

[Itchy Tickles]

That sucks for people who own this and is an issue for them. Some stuff just doesn't get a pass with me in general regardless of what screen it is, and ghosting is one of them.

Paying for a potentionally new, more expensive OLED model in the future to fix the issues of today is not a positive and you shouldn't celebrate having to buy the same console twice to the games of today or last gen.

 

[Fafalada]

I mean.....it is "sufficient".

So was PSP 1k - but it is a bit galling to see this on a modern panel.
These numbers are worse than PSP Go/PSP3000 - though it is about half of PSP1k (just to be very clear where that landed).

PSP released 2004, one of the very first commercial applications for LCDs..it was revolutionary for its time. It shouldn't even be talked about here...ever

Fun bit - PSP actually had a better response screen 8months from launch (well the early dev-units did). It was only when retail/final hw hit that we realized where it landed, I still remember the dev community reactions.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Sucks for those mainly using it in handheld and can pick up on it. I'm having a blast with the updated games on my QLED.

 

[FireFly]

If budget phones can get nice high-refresh hdr screens, there's no excuse for Nintendo.

On the other hand, though, it's a perfect strategy: cheap out now, make mad bank on early adopters and hype, and get a better (but still cheap as fuck) screen down the road for a revision of the hardware.

Win-win.

Budget phones can get such screens due to the economies of scale involved in producing possibly hundreds of millions of the same screen type. That won't necessarily apply to a 7.9 inch screen.

 

[metareferential]

Budget phones can get such screens due to the economies of scale involved in producing possibly hundreds of millions of the same screen type. That won't necessarily apply to a 7.9 inch screen.

Most of those screen are in the 6.5/6.7 inch region.

And there's tablets with good screens too.

Nintendo surely can get a great deal for a screen that will sell many, many millions of copies.

Do we know who is supplying them?

 

[Topher]

So was PSP 1k - but it is a bit galling to see this on a modern panel.
These numbers are worse than PSP Go/PSP3000 - though it is about half of PSP1k (just to be very clear where that landed).


Fun bit - PSP actually had a better response screen 8months from launch (well the early dev-units did). It was only when retail/final hw hit that we realized where it landed, I still remember the dev community reactions.

Not suggesting "sufficient" is a high bar. It does the job. I'd love to know what the price difference would have been for an OLED.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Budget phones can get such screens due to the economies of scale involved in producing possibly hundreds of millions of the same screen type. That won't necessarily apply to a 7.9 inch screen.

Oh yeah, Switch is now in the low volume niche production category… .

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not suggesting "sufficient" is a high bar. It does the job. I'd love to know what the price difference would have been for an OLED.

Kind of shocked they didn't price gouge an OLED version right off the bat

But now they can sell 2 to a bunch of people

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not suggesting "sufficient" is a high bar. It does the job. I'd love to know what the price difference would have been for an OLED.

In real world land or in the these fans will buy almost anything land ?

 

[ReBurn]

I'm playing on a TV so I haven't really noticed. This sucks, though.

 

[Sinozen]

I don't think this is going to register for the average Nintendo customer, but for the extreme gamers like us it's an absolute deal breaker.

 

[ReBurn]

Kind of shocked they didn't price gouge an OLED version right off the bat

But now they can sell 2 to a bunch of people

I feel seen

 

[Futaleufu]

LOL, my Asus monitor I bought 10 years ago has 1 ms response time

 

[Kacho]

I don't think this is going to register for the average Nintendo customer, but for the extreme gamers like us it's an absolute deal breaker.

Based on the responses in this thread, it sounds like some screens might have it worse than others. I'm not sure how anyone could not notice it or say it's not that bad. It's like someone saying they can't see the difference between 30fps and 60fps.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I feel seen

 

[Gambit2483]

Meh, I haven't noticed any such issues with mines. Absolutely no complaints with how it looks or runs. Maybe some people got display screens with lower quality?

 

[LastBattle]

Yesterday I tried Sonic origins and Mario WiiU/Wonder on it after some people said it was more noticeable on 2D games, green hills zone and a couple of Mario courses later and I never notice anything.

I genuinely wonder (I assume people are being honest) if that its not 2 different manufacturers of screens and one of them is not as good.

I'll have to give my copy of Wonder a go. So far I didn't know this was a thing. Haven't noticed any ghosting, which when usually present annoys the hell out of me.

 

[Topher]

Kind of shocked they didn't price gouge an OLED version right off the bat

But now they can sell 2 to a bunch of people

Create a problem, provide the solution

 

[Axelon]

The... what? In the comparison chart in the OP the response time for an LG CX (the model I have, incidentally, I doubt newer models are worse) is 0.32ms.

Now, 30fps does look really janky on it, but that isn't because of response time.

Yeah, it's more of the opposite. It's due to the near instant response time of the pixels making you see the individual frames.

OLEDs are COLOR CHANGE... -hold-... COLOR CHANGE

LCDs are COOLLLORR CHAAAANNGGEEEE -hoooold- COOLLLORR CHAAAANNGGEEE

The long CHANGE is the pixels changing to a different color. Hold is because they are sample and hold displays.

And because of those long changes, you see less of each frame clearly, making it blurry.

Same thing happens on a CRT. About 2 years ago or so I hooked up my Wii U to my HD CRT and played Xenoblade X on it after playing it on my 4K TV beforehand. Looked freaking great, but holy shit being able to see each frame so clearly made it jaring.

CRTs are CHANGE CHANGE. No hold. Instant. So it was even a bit worse yet than an OLED.

 

[Fafalada]

I'm not sure how anyone could not notice it or say it's not that bad.

This happened during PSP launch too though - as did the claims of better screens from a different vendor (which turned out to have the same 30ms refresh as the 'bad' one).

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Nothing a price increase can't fix.