demosthenes
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I won't be able to get mine until the end of the week, guess it's for the best as I'll be working till 9/10 every night D:
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Tales of Graces |OT| Gracing the PS3 with the Best RPG Combat
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Shouta
Member
The bulk of Kouli's guides are from JP guides/wikis as far as i can tell. I've been around GFaqs a long time and I've noticed that about the stuff he puts out. I know it's to some extent but I don't know how much.
I pre-ordered this the other day at gamestop. Still playing through Abyss, which will be the first Tales of _ game that I have completed. I played through some of Vesperia before I quit it. Will Tales of Graces be filled with events that are easy to miss like Vesperia? I ended up missing out on a few costumes in Vesperia because I forgot to talk to some NPC once before doing something, and I couldn't fix it. So I was done. Abyss doesn't seem to be as bad with that, and I've also gotten into the habit of talking to everyone a few times and sleeping at the inn after events.
Also, nice OP. I pre-ordered the game with little to no information on it, and the battle system seems awesome. Is anyone actually going through this thing co-op with anyone?
Also, nice OP. I pre-ordered the game with little to no information on it, and the battle system seems awesome. Is anyone actually going through this thing co-op with anyone?
I am, girlfriend and me have planned on playing this co-op since it's original announcement last year. Can't wait
hopefully I get it tomorrow, if not then by Thursday.As I posted in the topic on GameFAQs, I don't really blame him. I've seen a lot of my work on other games thrown about elsewhere but it's not really something that bothers me. Perhaps if I started to see doing it as a chore then maybe but I do it because I enjoy doing it. That's it.
If it's just reposting other people's work, though ... dang. I'm used to seeing my work elsewhere (and I think me and others who worked on Disgaea 2 stuff were called out for plagiarizing the guide ... that wasn't out when our work was done) but that's kind of ... :/
$1-$2 would've been an impulse buy, $5 for a more thorough version, and $10 just seems a bit much, though. Just my thoughts on the matter.
If it's just reposting other people's work, though ... dang. I'm used to seeing my work elsewhere (and I think me and others who worked on Disgaea 2 stuff were called out for plagiarizing the guide ... that wasn't out when our work was done) but that's kind of ... :/
$1-$2 would've been an impulse buy, $5 for a more thorough version, and $10 just seems a bit much, though. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Hm.... interesting. Are you going to get this Shouta?
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Well, I'm a little surprised (if it's just reposting work on wikis/guides in English). I've only referred to the Kouli's Graces and Vesperia guides a few times and didn't really think much of it.
I try not using a FAQ too much on first playthroughs, but Tales games can sometimes be an exception since I want to get as much done as possible on a first playthrough in order to transfer stuff to NG+. Also, I felt pretty burned by Abyss's events and not knowing that some of them even existed so I've tried to refer to subquest guides every now and then for Tales games now.
I try not using a FAQ too much on first playthroughs, but Tales games can sometimes be an exception since I want to get as much done as possible on a first playthrough in order to transfer stuff to NG+. Also, I felt pretty burned by Abyss's events and not knowing that some of them even existed so I've tried to refer to subquest guides every now and then for Tales games now.
Refer to this post and this post (even if it's mostly about a trophy).Trike said:
Stream here for those that want to see it. SPOILERS! It's END GAME!
http://www.twitch.tv/theoriginalfanatic
Also, Schala It's Zhonecage. rofl.
http://www.twitch.tv/theoriginalfanatic
Also, Schala It's Zhonecage. rofl.
Shouta
Member
I actually looked at his guide from a cached version of his blog and compared it to the Wiki Aeana linked and it's pretty close in overall content. He changes it a bit of course but it's pretty close overall. It's nowhere near as good as other guides on GFaqs.
For a comparison:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ry-10735246442.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://www23.atwiki.jp/talesofgracesf/pages/49.html
For the Japanese impaired, several of the lines are the same.
- Go Toward SW And You Will Get The Discovery Book. Check The Tree For The Discovery Apple Tree
西の出口前でリンゴを取るイベント、 「ディスカバリーブック」 入手、同時に ディスカバリー「リンゴの木」 を発見
Have the exact same content, the translation is a little different of course but eh, that's minor when it's basically the same thing.
It's the same for a lot of it as well plus a few things here and there he's added. That's assuming the cached version is the same version as his e-guide. I'd hope he spruce it up more if he was trying to sell it for 10 dollars, translating JP wiki content fact aside.
I am but it's not high on my play priority as I finished the JP version when it was first released.
For a comparison:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ry-10735246442.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://www23.atwiki.jp/talesofgracesf/pages/49.html
For the Japanese impaired, several of the lines are the same.
- Go Toward SW And You Will Get The Discovery Book. Check The Tree For The Discovery Apple Tree
西の出口前でリンゴを取るイベント、 「ディスカバリーブック」 入手、同時に ディスカバリー「リンゴの木」 を発見
Have the exact same content, the translation is a little different of course but eh, that's minor when it's basically the same thing.
It's the same for a lot of it as well plus a few things here and there he's added. That's assuming the cached version is the same version as his e-guide. I'd hope he spruce it up more if he was trying to sell it for 10 dollars, translating JP wiki content fact aside.
I am but it's not high on my play priority as I finished the JP version when it was first released.
So... I think this is very unethical. Something should be done, yes? No?
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Holy business, some of this is identical. I never looked at the FAQ portion of the wiki guide before, so I didn't notice it at all. It's just reworded in some cases.
Within The Mansion, Check The Painting For The Discovery Painting
領主邸正面の絵画を調べると ディスカバリー「絵画」 を発見
Check The Windmill For The Discovery Fuuhaku The Guardian
街の風車小屋を調べると ディスカバリー「守護風伯」 を発見
A lot of it is in the same order. The last bit is a smidge different, but... wow.
Yeah. I'd hate to be the ass but... I feel like something needs to be done about this then.
mjemirzian
Banned
That's my problem with 'completionist' or 'plot heavy' guides. Since it's not based on original research, and anyone can write the same facts or lists of completionist data as you, there's not much separating your guide from the next guys. Like how many ways could he re-write his guide so it doesn't look like it's regurgitating the same walkthrough points? But if you write guides for challenging games and devise helpful strategies that aren't as obvious, it will be more unique and valuable to players looking for solutions. That tends to be why I avoid writing guides about or playing easier JRPGs.
As an example, I wrote a guide for Fallout: New Vegas, but it was an efficiency guide, attempting to grab every skill book/unique weapon and complete as many quests as possible with as little backtracking as possible.
Graces F looks like it has some interesting challenges. So did anyone figure out if they nerfed Chaos difficulty like they did in NA Abyss?
As an example, I wrote a guide for Fallout: New Vegas, but it was an efficiency guide, attempting to grab every skill book/unique weapon and complete as many quests as possible with as little backtracking as possible.
Graces F looks like it has some interesting challenges. So did anyone figure out if they nerfed Chaos difficulty like they did in NA Abyss?
I'm too lazy to write a guide :| The only guides I'm actually in are other people compiling my work for me and then the EO maps I made with Zaraf, though mostly completed with his prodding (and I still feel bad for dropping that project for EO3).
I like answering questions people ask and solving mechanics. That's about it :x
Seven Force
Banned
Yeah, while I've used his guides on occasion, I have seen that he can be a bit stuck up at times. Totally didn't know about the wiki plagiarism thing though.
The reason why I noticed originally was because the poor English in his guides got on my nerves, so I actually started going to Japanese guide sites myself much more often, and noticed some eerie similarities like the one's Shouta's listed above. I do hope the English in the guide he's selling is at least competent.
Henry Jones Jr
Member
Good to hear the the character interaction and skits are good. The massive amount of character development that comes out of all these interactions is my favorite thing about Tales games.
The goal isn't anything particularly fancy here though. It's more to provide a completionist guide for importers who don't know Japanese, can't really use the wikis, and would be totally lost with those complete guides. This kind of guide is niche, especially with Tales, so your guide would be unique by simply existing in the first place.
Usually these are just something someone did for fun as a nice gesture to the community/fanbase, and even if/when the game is localized they're still a really good resource. It gets shady though when you're charging the fanbase just to access an unofficial translation of a guide other people created. The most that I've seen done is a totally optional donation if you're truly that appreciative of the time/effort put in.
Shouta
Member
Writing is all the difference between walkthrough guides especially in games that are plot heavy. There are other ways on top of writing but those are the icing to the writing's cake.
I've never used his guides since I mostly use the wikis. Anyways, looking forward to picking this up tomorrow and playing through it again. I was going to go back and do everything in the JPN version, but Namco announced that they were bringing this here. So, I just decided to wait for the localized version to do everything.
mjemirzian
Banned
Yeah, I was thinking of Ultimate Steve's FF7 guide that lavishes a lot of detail and can be a supplement to the game as well as a walkthrough.
I'll put it this way. I am not allowed to leave the house until I get a package tomorrow. And I am not allowed to make any plans for the evenings aside from playing Tales of Graces F for the next few weeks.
My wife is rather excited for the game... so much so she already penciled in 3 play-throughs of the game on the calendar lol
also yay I finally got my shipping confirmation from amazon, and amazon continued their trend of not giving me a confirmation until after 8pm by sending this one at 9:46pm lol.
RiderKairuu
Member
Picking this up tomorrow after work. Enjoy the game guys, I'll be Gracesless until I get my new PS3
Same Here.
I hope this lives up to my hype. Vesperia is the best RPG I played all gen. If this is better I don't know what ill do.
if you are going to be in the text chat tomorrow I can't wait to see your meltdown.
This game is fantastic.
Shouta
Member
Nothing will ever drown the sorrow from that.
My copy is coming to my house tomorrow via Amazon. It goes in the drawer until I'm itching for some Tales!
Did you guys make the chat already!? I didn't get an invite.
I'll def be in there soon as I get my copy if I get an invite.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Admittedly, The Constant Capitalization On Words Which Shouldn't Be Capitalized Is A Bit Of An Eyesore. What a situation. Even if it's written in the style of a flow chart, there should be differences in the prose, order, and composition/style at least if it's an original document. A lot of the points are either summarized or directly translated. I don't think he should be charging for this if it's the same guide he posted on that cache.Aeana said:
Anyway! Moving on... I'm glad people are psyched for this game, and I hope they find something to enjoy at least.
Ahaha. Don't get too hyped. Sometimes hype will be too much and then you'll be let down.Mr.Fresh said:
Nope, but I think Spanish-Leprechaun is in charge of the chat, so ask him for an invite.Did you guys send make the chat already!? I didn't get an invite.
I'll def be in there soon as I get my copy if I get an invite.
I know it's not an official rule but I think it would be best if we stopped posting stuff from our thread over to GameFAQs. While I love seeing fires burn on that forum I feel conflicted when it involves an individual. Please, let's refrain from linking threads between GAF and GFAQs.
Been tracking my package. It's still slated for tomorrow before 3:00 but man is the path weird. Started in Coffeyville, KS, and then went south to Tulsa Oklahoma. On track so far, but then it goes to Louiseville, KY. I added Houston, TX which is where I am and the path just looks funny.
Edit: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=C...AhjE7BWXz3gINyg&oq=Houston,+TX&mra=ls&t=h&z=6
Edit: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=C...AhjE7BWXz3gINyg&oq=Houston,+TX&mra=ls&t=h&z=6
Yea I know *cough*FF13*cough*
Its just that i have missed good traditional style JRPG's so much I get hyped when ever one comes out now.
Dr. Pangloss
Member
Live stream going on: http://www.twitch.tv/qik1. He's pass the halfway point. Check his video section for previous streams.
Passing the time by finishing up Abyss. I doubt I can go back to this once I start playing Graces. I tend to forget about the games I'm currently playing once I get a new one so my backlog piles up. *shrug*
I'm so tempted to click on that stream but I have to endure the wait a little bit longer! Can't spoil myself now!
I'm so tempted to click on that stream but I have to endure the wait a little bit longer! Can't spoil myself now!
I'm kind of the same way. I need to finish ME3, yeah I know, before I pick up my game. But Tales is competing with Yakzua for my affection today. Tempted to do an all nighter.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Well, it's not so much traditional (imo), but it has that touch. I know I got that feeling of contentment when I first played it, though.
Don't click on the stream. Dooooon't. You can hold out until tomorrow. But I know how you feel. I don't think I can hold out until the weekend. I might play a bit late tomorrow night if my discipline fails me.
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Oh hey, guys. If you go to towns in this game and find a cat, feed it fish. Just do it. >.>
Gonna tell you right now Schala. if you don't fail yourself, I will make you fail. Rofl jk. If you're busy then you should probably do work.
Clicked on the stream and he's nowhere near the halfway point. Thought it'd be awfully fast to be that far in the game.
Watching this brings back memories of the amount of time I had to spend grinding for this boss on evil. Shudder.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Yeah, I believe there has always been local MP for battles since Tales of Phantasia (or Destiny?)
Anyway, my Newegg tracking says I won't have it until Thursday. Cool, gives me some time to get though my Mass Effect 1 + 2 runs.