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Tales of Series | Community Thread | Localizing more games than Square Enix
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And that just cleared one up for me thankfully.
solid mike
Member
I've never played a Tales game before and I'm thinking Xillia is a good start. Can anyone give me a quick unbiased comparison between Xillia and Graces f's strengths and weaknesses?
Can't really say I'm a fan of series, although somehow I played almost all mainline games. That probably counts for something. Every time I say that I'm done with Tales, Bamco releases a game I like! Kinda suspicious behavior, no?
My favourites are ToD, ToA and ToG.
Can't wait for ToX and hope it'll deliver.
Can't say about ToX, not released yet.
But ToG strengths lie in gameplay, which is great, deep and fun, while story is meh, and charaters aren't particularly great, it doesn't look particularly good either.
My favourites are ToD, ToA and ToG.
Can't wait for ToX and hope it'll deliver.
Can't say about ToX, not released yet.
But ToG strengths lie in gameplay, which is great, deep and fun, while story is meh, and charaters aren't particularly great, it doesn't look particularly good either.
Crunch King
Neo Member
I don't have time to go into specifics, but yes, Xillia is better than Graces. Better cast, better graphics, better plot, better combat. Just better.
What? Xillia has the crappy Hearts boss syndrome, where they auto break out of combos, and Graces just has better subsystems that complement the battle system itself.
Xillia has better everything else, yeah. Graphics is kinda iffy since Graces has a really clean look due to being an HD port of a Wii game, so it actually looks pretty nice but of course it can't compare to a PS3 game.
way to kill my anticipation!
Is it really bad or just not as good as ToG's?
It's just not as good as ToG's. I mean yeah, some of Graces f's bosses were crappy too (mostly the f arc bosses or the ones that were "buffed" to not be weak like the Wii version...and they overdid it in some cases), but in Xillia, it's present in the majority of them...so it's more of a hit and run type thing instead of encouraging you to do combos and make good use of Link Artes and stuff. It's really silly. Random battles are tons of fun in Xillia, and I even found it more fun than Graces sometimes despite being less strategic. Link artes, swapping in reserve characters mid-battle (unfortunately not in Xillia 2), and some other stuff just make it a really fun, fast paced, battle system. It just doesn't reach the strategic highs of Destiny remake or Graces.
Ya, I see what you mean. In main ToG battle system seems to be perfect to me and I liked addition to bs form f arc too, I never had so much fun killing stuff in Tales before. I can't imagine ToX being more fun, but if it is, yahoo!
Well I'll play soon enough and will see.
solid mike
Member
That's good to hear. I was close to buying Graces f over Dark Souls 2 months ago. I made the right choice.
I wouldn't say Xillia has better combat than Graces f myself.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Haha, I figured you'd order Innocence R sooner than later. 
I suppose that that means we'll be playing it together soon enough. I decided to put it on hold / play it from time to time because I want to get another thing out of the way first.
But while combat in Xillia is fun because everyone is broken to a degree, it just doesn't measure up to Graces/Rebirth/Destiny R standards to me at all. And like you said, the bosses aren't designed well at all, but bosses haven't been designed well since Hearts.
I suppose that that means we'll be playing it together soon enough. I decided to put it on hold / play it from time to time because I want to get another thing out of the way first.
This man said everything I wanted to say, but I truly do get the feeling that people will like Xillia better overall by virtue of the scene direction, the characterization, music, and overall narrative until it falls apart in a Tales sort of way.
But while combat in Xillia is fun because everyone is broken to a degree, it just doesn't measure up to Graces/Rebirth/Destiny R standards to me at all. And like you said, the bosses aren't designed well at all, but bosses haven't been designed well since Hearts.
Innocence R is quite enjoyable! Have fun.
Also, another update on the contest. Only ONE boss, and as noted before, it's a non-final boss.
https://twitter.com/AbyssalC/status/354605450056048640
Once you figure it out, it makes sense.
Also, another update on the contest. Only ONE boss, and as noted before, it's a non-final boss.
https://twitter.com/AbyssalC/status/354605450056048640
Once you figure it out, it makes sense.
solid mike
Member
I overlooked better combat. Everyone I asked about Graces f and Xillia, they say Graces f has the superior combat. Watching gameplay vids, that does seem to be the case.
I'm trying not to look at anything Xillia related so I don't know anything about the game, but does it have anything even remotely like Graces F's title system? You know, tons of something to level up for skills, attribute boosts and so on, alongside with the normal 1-200 level progression? I love systems like that just too much, Xenoblade's skill and art levels are probably the second best example after ToGF's titles.
Or skills you can learn from equipment, like in Vesperia?
Or skills you can learn from equipment, like in Vesperia?
Xillia 1 only goes up to 100 levels (correct me if I'm wrong).
No, think more like the cristarium in FF13.
Can you guys talk about Xillia's positives in detail for once? Based on all your posts, the game is shit, and I know that's not true. You're killing my hype.
I already figured it out then. I was on the lookout for other ones.
I already figured it out then. I was on the lookout for other ones.
Ah well, that's a shame. Nothing special to expect from that area then, just regular fun enough Tales fighting.
Yeah, he bet that the most recent announcement wasn't a Xillia 2 localization, and common sense and history was on his side. But then it happened and kayos rages.
I don't think "finally" is the right word to use here
Actually he said it would be Xillia 2 but a while back he was saying it wouldn't be coming so I made a bet with him.
dakkumauji
Member
You make it sound like that isn't the norm.
I don't think "finally" is the right word to use here
Actually he said it would be Xillia 2 but a while back he was saying it wouldn't be coming so I made a bet with him.
Didn't he say that he actually knew about the Xillia 2 announcement (well, guessed it correctly) and was told to divert attention? And he still made a bet? Which he knew he would lose?
He made a bet a while before that. Like 1-2 months ago?
Head hurts. I'm starving for lunch. I don't have the memory for this anymore.
Graces had Asbel vs. Sophia, Asbel vs. Hubert, Asbel vs. Malik (my memory is iffy on this one), and Cheria vs. Pascal (might have been F only). You accessed them by activating a skit at a skit near certain locations in the world. They were pretty intense. At the right difficulty level they only needed to combo you 2 or 3 times to kill you, but you only had to combo them around 5 times to win, so it didn't feel as unfair as most Tales boss fights get with you running away forever, looking for an opening.
It makes me sad hearing about Xillia being a step down, especially in boss fights.
BlakImpaler
Member
Wasn't there also a bet when Symphonia Chronicles was still a rumor?
I might start Innocence DS to get an idea of how much was improved in the remake. I won't get R for a few weeks anyway.
Nowhere near fluent, but I know basic grammar and vocab, as well as about 1000 kanji.
Nowhere near fluent, but I know basic grammar and vocab, as well as about 1000 kanji.
The rival fights were brutal on Chaos and above, because the rivals actually take the stats and equipment you gave them and buffs them up. Because I was so efficient and grinding it bit me in the ass, only took a single combo to kill me and I had to whittle them down with 10+ combos.
I actually couldn't defeat Malik until I unequipped him because he had a Rescue stat in a piece of armour that had a chance at giving him back 5000 health each time I hit him.
I actually couldn't defeat Malik until I unequipped him because he had a Rescue stat in a piece of armour that had a chance at giving him back 5000 health each time I hit him.
dakkumauji
Member
Probably like 1st grade level fluent.
I know some words, but I do know all my hirgania and katakana. Probably some grammar as well. Woo.
Uhh... I can speak broken and understand vocal JP but I can't read Kanji. I've memorized hira and kata though.
Yeah, kayos won that. He picked a bad avatar to give though
In my defense I made the bet a while before I made the Xillia 2 prediction. Meh!
Seven Force
Banned
Pretty much this. Kanji's a work in progress.
Very basic, and even then, it's been awhile since my last class. It's not too hard for me to listen to the dialogue in Tales.
I get a basic understanding but no way am I close to translating things for people properly.
I don't know a single written Japanese letter/word.
There are a few characters I've picked up on, but that's about it for me too. Yayyyyy. I still find imports enjoyable, oddly enough. heh.
Yep. When I was playing Vesperia PS3 there were a handful of characters that showed up repeatedly in skills and artes that I picked up on momentarily (for example I knew which skills were "Shining Fang" something, lol) as I was playing, but that's about it.
BlakImpaler
Member
I've only taken two semesters of basic Japanese in college. I can read Hiragana/Katakana, but my Kanji skills suck. I can pick out a few phrases here and there, but not enough to translate games for myself.
He made one with me and I lost.
Anyway, about the contest, what happens if everyone just starts giving each other the answers? Isn't that considered cheating?
Maybe it's because the only thing you can understand is tone which you filter through your mind and your imagination makes it better than what a native speaker would actually hear.
For myself, I've memorized most of the most used kana, don't know a lick of kanji. I've been meaning to get better (this is all done on spare time) but well... I'm really lazy.
We are the same person, Seda, I'm convinced. That's what I do also, hehe
No doubt that happens. It's surprising how much you can pick up with tone and the cinematics alone.
No doubt that happens. It's surprising how much you can pick up with tone and the cinematics alone.
dakkumauji
Member
I believe they'll randomly pick the top scoring entries. So if everyone guessed them correctly, you'll have a random chance of winning something.
R_thanatos
Member
Nowhere near fluent , but i know enough to be able to play games in japanese without faqs
i still have lots and lots to learn before i consider having mastered the language.
dakkumauji
Member
Oh, I will say, playing Tales of Graces in Japanese (twice) helped me forever remember MAMORU.
BlakImpaler
Member
TOMODACHI WO MAMORITAI!!!