chickdigger802
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Seems like Nintendo pulled it off better with Zelda.
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Tales of Xillia |OT| - Teach me about Bazongas!
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Agreed, though there's some really great town shots in the game, especially early on. I think for what it's trying to do, it does well.
chickdigger802
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Was it this tales game where each character was designed by a different artist?
It's really the perfect art style for this series. Vesperia will age wonderfully while Xillia is going to look dated very quickly.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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If you enjoy JRPGs, yes! But don't forget Tales of Vesperia for the 360, Tales of the Abyss for the 3DS, and Graces f for the PS3. Xilia 2 and the Symphonia collection is coming out next year. It's nice to have the entire collection!
It's a good time to be a Tales' fan. Bamco is really on a roll lately with these Tales' games, Project X Zone, and Xilia. And it all started with Dark Souls!
Tales games usually have their characters done by Mutsumi Inomata or Kosuke Fujishima.
Some that Fujishima has done are Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia. Inomata has done Destiny, Destiny II/Eternia, and Graces.
For Xillia, it was a collaboration.
Fujishima: Jude, Alvin, Elize
Inomata: Milla, Leia, Rowen
Daigo Okumura is another designer and he did Emil, Marta, and Richter for Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, and he also did Ludger and Elle in Xillia 2.
For Legendia it was a special case and done by Kazuto Nakazawa, who's probably known for his work on Samurai Champloo.
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I don't have a 360 so Tales of Vesperia is out.
What is the symphonia collection?
Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World.
Due out early next year.
No it isn't and no it won't.
Symphonia Chronicles will have dual audio though if you want that with Japanese voices.
No, and doubtful considering the game's been out in Asia territories for 2 years already.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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It's the HD remaster of the GameCube game and includes the sequel from the Wii game.
Symphonia isn't considered the best Tales game but probably the most memorable because it was practically the only JRPG on the GC at the time and a lot of people's first Tales game. It was my first a well.
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No it doesn't and doesn't seem that way.
Symphonia Chronicles will have dual audio though.
I'm pretty sure Xillia 2 was also confirmed to not have dual audio when it releases next year.
chickdigger802
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Wasn't graces something to do with CLAMP?Tales games usually have their characters done by Mutsumi Inomata or Kosuke Fujishima.
Some that Fujishima has done are Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia. Inomata has done Destiny, Destiny II/Eternia, and Graces.
For Xillia, it was a collaboration.
Fujishima: Jude, Alvin, Elize
Inomata: Milla, Leia, Rowen
Daigo Okumura is another designer and he did Emil, Marta, and Richter for Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, and he also did Ludger and Elle in Xillia 2.
For Legendia it was a special case and done by Kazuto Nakazawa, who's probably known for his work on Samurai Champloo.
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After years of watching anime with subs.. such a bitter pill
No, it was done by Inomata.
grandjedi6
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That's just what english fans compared it to.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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You're probably thinking of how Suzaku from Code Geass and Asbel were compared. Same JP VA.
Asbel also has a Suzaku costume but it's JP only I think.
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Xillia worse than Star Ocean 4 confirmed.
I'm kidding of course but with J RPGs especially, review scores don't affect my purchase or anticipation at all. Having said that, I'm glad IGN reviewed it and gave it a reasonable score, more publicity means more sales means more Tales.
Yup, it's why I think Vesperia is still the prettiest game. I get that they like to change the look for almost every game but I think they could change the art style and still use cel shading.
I stopped using Amazon for the most part because they use dog shit packaging that doesn't protect the games and I was constantly receiving damaged packages.
They used to have excellent packaging.
R_thanatos
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i thought you've already played the game once.
They were there in the japanese version
I did. The cutscenes had them. I'm not surprised by its presence. I'm surprised by the amount of it, mostly from skits.
I can appreciate the written text of a review but 9 times out of 10, that score at the end is just what popped into their head.
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I always receive things with good packaging materials. Weird.
Storage isn't always the issue. Licensing issues come into play as well.
DarkLordMalik
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Looking forward to your review Jason
Also the IGN review has a lot of positive points but the rating is 8. Seems a bit off IMO especially when the only negative is "Sub-Par Graphics"
Last time it happened to me they just shoved three games and a bluray in one of these but with the longer side :
Every single game was smashed and one game was sticking out where it folds. Before that they were using those really cheap DVD bubble mailers.
grandjedi6
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Looking forward to your review Jason
Also the IGN review has a lot of positive points but the rating is 8. Seems a bit off IMO especially when the only negative is "Sub-Par Graphics"
Translation of Western review scores for JRPGs:
9+ = this game is good and non-animey. Maybe from a major/beloved franchise!
8-9 = this game is good but either anime-y or we don't know what to say about it!
7-9 = this game is flawed
<7 = boo-urns
the review's text is more important anyways
I actually suspect that despite my worries about Microsoft sticking with DVD9 holding back multiplatform games from Japan getting dual audio, in the end the most damning thing was always licensing, followed by other technical considerations like if the code will support a VA toggle easily or if they feel like they need to lipsync. There were always options on 360 that were used like putting VA on a second disc or as DLC so while maybe Microsoft's weird and will do something like not allow VA to be on disc for PS3 but download on 360 (even though the end difference for 60%+ of potential customers is the same) in the end raw storage space isn't THAT insurmountable like on CD or cartridges, at least DS and earlier cartridges.
I seem to recall quite a few decent ones managed to get 7. It's 6 and under that are usually reserved for ones people really don't like, though 6 sometimes overlaps with "this is hardcore, archaic, and/or niche."
Not me! Fahey's reviewing it. I've got Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.Looking forward to your review Jason
Also the IGN review has a lot of positive points but the rating is 8. Seems a bit off IMO especially when the only negative is "Sub-Par Graphics"
Review scores are arbitrary and meaningless. The text is all that really matters.
You have to consider that digital licensing is often separate from retail licensing too. It's too much effort + money for something that only a handful of fans would enjoy.
I do think the Tales games should be dual audio though because its audience is a lot of anime enthusiasts, they'd be more of the market that Namco should be targeting...which is what they seem to have figured out advertising at cons and stuff.
I feel Vesperia uses a style and technical level that they were more capable of working with.
Xillia tries some things that have greater potential than Vesperia in terms of scope and detail, but I feel that overall its visuals aren't as polished and consistent in regards to art and how it affects performance. The next game will probably (hopefully) be better, but Xillia has a lot of rough patches.
No Tales game is really going to be a showcase, so it helps a lot if they use an appealing style with a good level of consistency throughout the game. Aside from things like animations, Vesperia's visuals may end up having better longevity.
Ni no Kuni is literally nothing like this game.
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Lies. You're just afraid to use math
So bored to death or interesting.
Which is it?
Too bad developers don't feel the same way.
If I'm not feeling like reading a full review I tend to at least read the closing paragraph/summary as that usually gives me enough of an idea, especially if I either want to avoid spoilers or feel the review gets into nitty gritty I won't fully comprehend without hands on time anyway.
Way more action focused than Ni no Kuni, Ni no Kuni was like some smaller scale, instanced version of something like Xenoblade or FFXII, whereas this is almost like a fighting game really. Not that you use special moves via specific inputs (though some games DO have accessories for that) but it still plays somewhat similarly. The closest alternative is Star Ocean and that's with semi-auto combat on.
True, and I do think it matters more for Tales. Makes it look somewhat absurd it took this long for an undubbed, non-instrumental song and that it'll be the next release with full on Japanese VA, but it definitely is the series that may be most aimed at the anime crowd.
Of course, part of that IS because of the talent they hire, which I imagine makes for a more costly dub than many games, but they still manage it for many anime so something must be doable more often than not, if not the vocal songs then at least for the main game.
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WickedLaharl
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You have full control over the camera in the field, right?
From the bit I played at AX, yeah, seemed so.
It's the way publishers treat review scores that's royally depressing. (http://kotaku.com/metacritic-matters-how-review-scores-hurt-video-games-472462218)
mr stroke
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in story or gameplay?