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Tales of Xillia |OT| - Teach me about Bazongas!
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aliencowz7
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Graces didn't really have any strategic depth, it was just as spammy as any other tales game, lost all resource management and you could breeze through the entire game entirely off of the around step mechanic with semi decent reaction times. Fancy combos doesn't really equal strategic depth.
I would give the nod in story cast and combat all to Vesperia but I can't comment yet on Xillia since I didn't end up importing it. Vesperia has more strategic depth based off having resource management alone.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Can you elaborate? I find these game only get really fun during post game portion for me where they actually require mastery of the battle system.
Well to be fair, I don't think there will ever be a JRPG protagonist that will surpass Yuri :lol
Dragon1893
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Will be my first Tales game. Been a while sinice I played a jrpg that isn't on 3DS. Pretty hyped, lovel the artstyle in this one.
Disagree because resource management is silly when all it adds is making you use an Orange Gel every couple of seconds, and by end-game (especially in Xillia), there's ways to regen TP fast enough for it to not matter. Weaknesses, correct use of around step (especially on higher difficulties) really does more than just resource management. I wouldn't even say fancy combos is one of Graces' strengths, you can definitely have better looking combos in Vesperia/Xillia thanks to a larger arte set, Artes Ball, and Overlimit.
Don't get me wrong, Vesperia and Xillia are tons of fun.
SatelliteOfLove
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SMT4 beatened.
Avatar ready:
Lets do this gents.
If it is, we have truly turned a corner from a dark era, and the double standard is finally dying.
Oh balls, I forgot about that! Murderous week on my free time.
Avatar ready:
Lets do this gents.
If it is, we have truly turned a corner from a dark era, and the double standard is finally dying.
Oh balls, I forgot about that! Murderous week on my free time.
So newegg just emailed me basically saying my CE "supposedly" was damaged, so here have 10% off the LE version. That's just awesome right? I call bullshit and they ran out.
I got the exact same message today. What the fuck?! This is horse shit. The Collector's Edition is sold out everywhere. How am I supposed to get this now? We should call Newegg and bitch them out.
Still playing through Xillia 2 but so far I can agree.
And yes, Destiny remake's cast is top notch.
Gamestop still has them available on their website if you don't mind going through them.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I can definitely agree with that.
aliencowz7
Member
Like I said, I haven't played Xillia yet so I can't comment on it in particular but TP management is more about having to pay attention to make sure you have an adequate amount of supplies for a given dungeon / boss as opposed to the actual act of restoring it.
In graces I didn't really use an item through the entire game and breezed through it all on the hardest difficulty. The only thing I had to pay attention to was the enemies attack animations and around step timing. All the CC system does is take away an additional layer of resource management and make you spam skills instead of swapping between skills and normal attacks. I don't really consider that depth.
I still really enjoyed playing graces but I have never understood the rave reviews about the combat. I thought vesperia's combat was more challenging more often and I didnt enjoy the CC system as much as TP.
I tried that too. I added one to my cart but when I went to go check out my cart was suddenly empty. I'm guessing they're out of stock too.
patrickthehedgehog
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Oh wow, now I'm curious. Maybe I should pick it up after all.
I'm actually sad that I skipped the skits in the JP one. =/ I didn't realize so much innuendo and stuff was in it.
cpp_is_king
Member
Is there going to be a guide for this game? I don't want to miss anything, and Tales games are notorious for having a ton of missables
Not really an issue since in Vesperia it was pretty easy to just run near the boss save point, and use it for heals. I don't disagree that Vesperia's combat was probably more challenging outside of Overlimit spam, but I don't really consider having less supplies and having to decide whether or not to buy some Orange Gels "depth" either.
Destiny remake did the CC system better imo since it was a bit more of what you're talking about. That probably would have been more to your liking. Graces uses the Critical Gauge which rewards you on correct blocking/dodging/etc, while Destiny was more of a resource management thing (but within battle).
aliencowz7
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Yeah Vesperia certainly wasn't perfect, I have just always enjoyed the aspect of monitoring item usage and MP/TP stock in the early parts of JRPG's
I have never played the Destiny remake since I try to avoid importing when I can until I end up able to fully learn Japanese but from what I have read about it you are probably right in that it would be my new favorite combat wise. My biggest issue with Graces was really just around step, I just find that mechanic kind of awful and I hope it isn't as powerful in Xillia.
TheContact
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Would people who play Vesperia generally say they liked this one more?
Yeah, I still prefer the CC in Destiny over Graces' implementation. Around Step was kind of broken, but I find it miles better than Free Run and fits more to the series' strengths...which is combat on a single line. Free Run would be better if the enemies did anything about it aside from huge AoE spells and you having to run out of the attack in time.
I'd say everything but end-game content/side quest content, even if Vesperia had some dumb time restricted side quests. Vesperia is just crazy filled with content, and was before Namco figured out they could charge suckers- I mean fans for costume DLC.
I also felt that Vesperia felt a lot like the PS2 Tales but in HD, and Graces was just a Wii upres port. So Xillia definitely feels like the next gen standard for a Tales game, even if some of the execution needs some work.
dakkumauji
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cartman414
Member
Pre-ordered the CE from GS yesterday. Are there any booklet comparisons between the two versions yet? Thread is tl;dr.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Does it have an obscure requirement like Vesperia's had? I ended up missing it the first time around so if there's a hidden requirement I'd like to know before hand just so I don't have to wait till second playthrough to unlock it.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Get all the Fell Arms, and the Gold Key from beating the game. Oh, and (not really a spoiler, but people get edgy)
go talk to the old man at Samangan Port or whatever they've called it now.
And now you know why I had to drop my Xillia 2 playthrough, lol.
Those maps.
SlasherJPC
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After searching around, Namco Bandai's website still has the CE available for pre-order. Shipping and tax WILL be applied however. But it's still better and cheaper than paying for inflated prices on Amazon and eBay.
dakkumauji
Member
I don't think it's missable to unlock.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
They really should've just called it the Day One Edition instead. That's what the first-print copies look like.
Beautiful. Glad I switched to LE. Also yes to your question, all pre-orders of the regular edition are upgraded to LE.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Ok, last question, you mentioned there's a sidequest list. Will this list let me know if there is a cut off point for obtaining them all? Or is it something that is open all the way till the final boss?
Digital River. No. I'd advise everyone to stay away unless you really really really want it.
I've never heard of Digital River. How bad are they?
Plus, I'm really desperate at this point.
Velcro Fly
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Pretty sure they were responsible for the Ni No Kuni collector's edition fiasco right?
dakkumauji
Member
You literally can not get all the Fell Arms in one playthrough.
The only time limit is you putting down the game cause you had enough of the same-y maps.
So newegg just emailed me basically saying my CE "supposedly" was damaged, so here have 10% off the LE version. That's just awesome right? I call bullshit and they ran out.
Man what is up with Newegg and games lately? I stopped ordering games from them after they have sent a crushed up CE to me. I used to take advantage of their $12 off coupons deals, but no more.
Have you tried ordering it from Gamestop.com? It seems they still have some in stock.
They were responsible for the Ni No Kuni Collector's Edition fiasco earlier this year.
Terrible customer service, website is badly made (can't edit credit card details even if you call them up? wtf?), overselling stock, heard some horror stories about shipping....
They don't. I tried that too. I added one to my cart but when I went to go check out my cart was suddenly empty. I'm guessing they're out of stock too.
What was the Ni no Kuni fiasco? Those are some really bad features. But, ugh, I'm desperate.
yeah, it's up on the store to preorder, ~6.2GB.
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...llia/cid=EP0700-NPEB01310_00-TALESOFXILLIA1DC