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[speculawyer]

In 2000, when the independent Thomas B. Fordham Foundation evaluated the evolution education standards of all 50 states, Florida was among 12 to receive a grade of F. (Kansas, which drew international attention in 1999 for deleting all mention of evolution and later embracing supernatural theories, received an F-minus.)

Ouch!

 

[Gaborn]

A non-trivial number of people in the US actually believe that the Earth is less than 6000 years old.

:lol

I laugh on the outside, but I'm crying on the inside :'(

Technically if they're following Ussher's chronology they'd believe the earth is approximately 6004 years old (his claim was based on a literal reading of the Bible the earth was formed in 4004 BC), rather than less than 6000 years old.

 

[deepbrown]

Holy shit. Do you even understand the point of Christianity? Quoting all your verses from the Old Testament is the same as arguing against Judaism.

Read the NEW Testament, which is the foundation for Christianity. It's about redemption. I don't pretend to understand why the Old and New Testaments are conflicting, but that's how it goes. The Old Testament teaches that an adulteress should be stoned, but Jesus prevents this from happening. If you're going to try to find religious verses to support your facts, you're going to need to grab them off the New Testament.

No I don't see the POINT of Christianity. In my eyes, it has no point. But anyway, pick and choose away.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I think we are working from radially different usages of the term morality.

Morality is a system of right and wrong, good and bad. That's it. Providing this system is one of the primary ways humans have used religion for *ever*. And the question of good and evil lies at the *heart* of every religion.

I don't disagree with this post.

Religions may have the question at heart, but it does not mean their answers are useful or correct.

This is why deferring to religion on issues of morality is silly.

That's all my point (and I believe theBishop's point) was.

 

[TheExodu5]

OK...but aren't you just missing the point? Do you, as a Christian, think your morality comes from the Bible? Do you only know what is good because you are told by the word of God in the bible? If this is the case (which all CHristians should believe if they are indeed Christain), how is that you pick and choose your morals from the Bible. By what facts are you able to CHOOSE your morals and reject others, when only the bible can inform you of your morals?

Why do head-hunters and canibals kill other people needlessly? They should have morality should they not? Or did natural selection decide that they were better off without morals?

 

[Azih]

But that's not what people like... Azih believe.

No it isn't. Honestly man, you don't know what I believe, and when you guess at what I'm *thinking* instead of focusing on what I'm *saying* you fall on your face. You're not a mind reader and you're not my therapist.

 

[happyfunball]

You support evolution, but don't even know where the basis of it is grounded? :lol

Amino acids evolved into protein strings, and thereforth life sprouted.

Actually amino acids are the building blocks of proteins and DON'T evolve into them. But that's not obvious to someone ignorant of the sciences, of course.

Maybe you should also study up on some other possibilities for how life started. (hint: They don't all involve amino acids)

 

[deepbrown]

I think we are working from radially different usages of the term morality.

Morality is a system of right and wrong, good and bad. That's it. Providing this system is one of the primary ways humans have used religion for *ever*. And the question of good and evil lies at the *heart* of every religion.

Hmm Azih. Morality is religions good and bad. Not believing in morality doesn't mean you don't believe in Good and Bad, it means you don't believe in religion's good and bad. I personally have an Amoral theory of Human's good and bad (ie. without religioun's morals.)

I'm suspecting we agree on this...just the way you wrote it sounded wrong to me...

 

[TheExodu5]

Actually amino acids are the building blocks of proteins and DON'T evolve into them. But that's not obvious to someone ignorant of the sciences, of course.

Maybe you should also study up on some other possibilities for how life started. (hint: They don't all involve amino acids)

Amino acids is the far more likely one is it not? I did not even know there were other possibilities, as my evolutionary biology professor only explored that one (and neglected to mention anything else). There's another point to say that evolution is still not sound enough to be declared a fact. The theory of evolution itself changes and evolves. Until it stabilizes, you can hardly declare it a fact. What's fact one day will not necessarily be fact the next.

 

[BocoDragon]

2 Timothy 2:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words,
Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
Purified seven times.

Psalm 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.

So basically "trust these words, they are inspired by god to instruct you well"

They say nothing of believing in them literally, they only speak to the correctness of the morality that they will teach. It's an argument again disbelief in their value, not disbelief in the historical truth of it's narrative.

 

[Gaborn]

Actually amino acids are the building blocks of proteins and DON'T evolve into them. But that's not obvious to someone ignorant of the sciences, of course.

Maybe you should also study up on some other possibilities for how life started. (hint: They don't all involve amino acids)

I'm still waiting for him to answer me as to whether he's heard of Abiogenesis or not.

 

[ronito]

No it doesn't.

God some of you are damn ignorant of the religions you're condeming.

Dude, I'm a christian. Except I'm a christian that's READ THE BIBLE.

Unless you imply some sort of logic stating the first 7 days were not days at all (in which case why is that open to interpretation and the rest not?) and you add up the days it comes to 6,000 years. Prove me wrong. Just try.

 

[Tamanon]

You support evolution, but don't even know where the basis of it is grounded? :lol

Amino acids evolved into protein strings, and thereforth life sprouted.

No it doesn't.

God some of you are damn ignorant of the religions you're condeming.

I assume this was all an elaborate set-up to the joke.

 

[Dahellisdat]

Why do head-hunters and canibals kill other people needlessly? They should have morality should they not? Or did natural selection decide that they were better off without morals?

Natural selection doesn't decide anything. Take an evolution class.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I'm still waiting for him to answer me as to whether he's heard of Abiogenesis or not.

Those are the guys that have didgeridoos and boomerangs, right?

 

[Zoe]

Amino acids is the far more likely one is it not? I did not even know there were other possibilities, as my evolutionary biology professor only explored that one (and neglected to mention anything else). There's another point to say that evolution is still not sound enough to be declared a fact. The theory of evolution itself changes and evolves. Until it stabilizes, you can hardly declare it a fact. What's fact one day will not necessarily be fact the next.

Evolution does not mean starting from the most basic building blocks. We could have all been brought into existence today, and evolution will still hold because it's a forward process.

 

[TheExodu5]

Natural selection doesn't decide anything. Take an evolution class.

Decide was not meant to be taken literally. :lol

 

[deepbrown]

Why do head-hunters and canibals kill other people needlessly? They should have morality should they not? Or did natural selection decide that they were better off without morals?

They live in a different belief system and have different concepts of good and bad. This is the very point - our good and bad comes from both our evolutionary habbits for us to survive, and societiy's beliefs.

And Natural Selection and morals are mutually exclusive.

 

[Gaborn]

Those are the guys that have didgeridoos and boomerangs, right?

And kangaroos. Don't forget the kangaroos!

 

[speculawyer]

wow,

It must be REALLY different in America to the situation here in Australia.

Pretty much different than most educated western countries.

 

[TheExodu5]

They live in a different belief system and have different concepts of good and bad. This is the very point - our good and bad comes from both our evolutionary habbits for us to survive, and societiy's beliefs.

And Natural Selection and morals are mutually exclusive.

Yes, and our society sprouted from one with mostly Christian beliefs. Therefore, our morality sprouted from religion, in a sense. Or the other possibility is that religion sprouted from morality, but then you've a chicken and the egg type scenario.

 

[MattKeil]

Amino acids is the far more likely one is it not? I did not even know there were other possibilities, as my evolutionary biology professor only explored that one (and neglected to mention anything else).

You're talking about abiogenesis, not evolution. Evolution has nothing to do with how life began on this planet or anywhere else. Get it through your head.

There's another point to say that evolution is still not sound enough to be declared a fact. The theory of evolution itself changes and evolves. Until it stabilizes, you can hardly declare it a fact. What's fact one day will not necessarily be fact the next.

Evolution is fact. It happened. The changing elements of the theory of evolution involve how it happened, not if it happened. There's more concrete evidence for the process of evolution than there is for the existence of gravity. However, gravity, like evolution, is a fact of reality, and no matter how much "just a theory" rhetoric you spout, you'll still fall if you jump off a roof.

Yes, and our society sprouted from one with mostly Christian beliefs. Therefore, our morality sprouted from religion, in a sense. Or the other possibility is that religion sprouted from morality, but then you've a chicken and the egg type scenario.

More likely, morality provided a benefit to small communities of early humans, and thus individuals and groups with "good" morals thrived more than competitive "evil" ones. You don't need a cosmic zap to see how people helping one another is beneficial to all involved, especially in a more primitive and hostile environment.

 

[NZer]

Coming from New Zealand, the very thought of not teaching evolution in school, or teaching creationism, is absurd. Wow.

(And don't you other NZers around here tell me that they do in NCEA these days, or else I will disown my country, goddamnit. And I see the irony there too.)

 

[A Link to the Past]

Just like atheists don't want Christians to push their beliefs on others, they should follow the same example and stop trying to push their atheist beliefs onto Christians.

Live and let live.

Evolution is not an atheist belief.

 

[happyfunball]

Amino acids is the far more likely one is it not? I did not even know there were other possibilities, as my evolutionary biology professor only explored that one (and neglected to mention anything else). There's another point to say that evolution is still not sound enough to be declared a fact. The theory of evolution itself changes and evolves. Until it stabilizes, you can hardly declare it a fact. What's fact one day will not necessarily be fact the next.

1) Amino acids are one of the least likely components of very early life. Likely just lipids and some type of iterating compound(RNA?).

2) Theories are a collection of facts. Those facts likely NEVER change. New facts are incorporated into the theory that provide nuance and evolution is a very evolved theory. So, for all intents and purposes, it can be considered fact.

 

[Gaborn]

You're talking about abiogenesis, not evolution. Evolution has nothing to do with how life began on this planet or anywhere else. Get it through your head.

It's no use, he never responds to posts with the word abiogenesis.

 

[speculawyer]

Yes, and our society sprouted from one with mostly Christian beliefs.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

 

[theBishop]

which has nothing at all to do with religion and morality. A source of morality is one of religion's major functions. You might think it's an ass backwards stupid source of morality, but to say it isn't one at all is not valid in the slightest.

Religion is not an authority on morality. It may claim to be, but that is irrelevant.

Studying morality and *replacing* it are two completely different things. And it is the replacing it which is what I am disagreeing you on. Ethics is a branch of philosophy that is completely seperate from Science just like Metaphysics. This is the root of where my disagreement with you lies I think.

You're approaching "morality" from a biased perspective. It is likely the case that "moral" behavior is an evolved phenomenon. "Morality" is a set of actions we have evolved to do because our ancestors who didn't act in such a way did not survive. Suggesting that you can "replace" a set of evolved behaviors by decree of God (or some other authority) strikes me as ridiculous.

There is a huge amount of overlap and what is common to both is the consideration of questions that are *not falsifiable* and there is no evidence even possible. Which is what you derieded and dimissed in your post by saying Absence of evidence does not make questions irrelevant at all.

An example from the wiki on falsfiability:
On the other hand, a statement like "there exist parallel universes which cannot interact with our universe" is not falsifiable even in principle; there is no way to test whether such a universe does or does not exist.

Not falsifiable means not of scientific interest. But it remains of *human* interest. And thus we have philosophy and thus we have religion.

The remainder of your post is laughable. If there are parallel universes, we may at some point in the future be able to study them. However, your example asserts that the universes are separate and unknowable. So if we did prove the existence of parallel universes, those universes would not be the ones you are asserting by definition. So why ask the question? It is a joke.

Here's a similar assertion:
All purple Centaurs are vegetarians. Prove me wrong!

 

[Azih]

I have read it. I was hoping that people would be smart enough to understand that that statement of Campbell is merely a trick used to make his students less aggressively opposed to his teaching of evolution.

Did you miss the part of the article where Campbell is a practicing Anglican who goes to church most sundays?

It's not a coincidence if even the few creationists who have a Ph.D would be hard pressed to correctly define evolution: they don't understand what evolution is. If they did, they would almost certainly believe it.

Human thought is far more diverse than that dude. For example someone who as Agnostic about *everything* wouldn't believe it, but they wouldn't believe anything, including their sense. A completely logical and consistent (though oddball) approach.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Yes, and our society sprouted from one with mostly Christian beliefs. Therefore, our morality sprouted from religion, in a sense. Or the other possibility is that religion sprouted from morality, but then you've a chicken and the egg type scenario.

The bolded is the most accurate thing you've said in this thread and even that isn't the whole story.

 

[Seth C]

Well modern Christains like to pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible, failing to see that doing so is incompatible with being Christain - since they then say that their morality comes from the bible, yet they still pick and choose their morals. Ie. Find a Christain who thinks women should be stoned to death for committing adultery, but men should only have a formal warning. None, but they're happy to say that Homosexuals are "sinners".

Christianity is the pick and choose religion.

I know it's fun to pick on Christianity, but right now you just have no clue what you're talking about. The part of the Bible that would suggest stoning of adulterous women as a suitable punishment is in the early Old Testament. These were laws of the Israelites or Hebrews. If anyone would still be expected to apply these laws today it would be Jews, not Christians. You see, Christianity as a religion is from Judaism, but it isn't Judaism. Christians read and discuss the Old Testament because they see it as a history of where their religion came from. It contains things like prophecy that they believe Christ fulfilled. That makes it important to Christians, but it isn't law to be followed by them. In fact, it can't be. Most Christians are not descended from Israel (Jews) and that simple fact alone means that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to them.

Choose a better example.

 

[ManaByte]

There ya go. I was pretty sure that the Bible was meant to be interpreted literally.

You can't claim to be a Christian and deny scripture.

It's like running for President, claiming to be a Christian, yet supporting late term Abortion or any form of Abortion.

Yea some idiot is about to run in here and say "lol Christians argue about taking life, but they war all the time". Actually God condemned war. When David wanted to build his temple to God, God told him he couldn't because he led a life of war (and committed adultery) and instead his son would be the one to build the temple.

Holy shit. Do you even understand the point of Christianity? Quoting all your verses from the Old Testament is the same as arguing against Judaism.

Read the NEW Testament, which is the foundation for Christianity. It's about redemption. I don't pretend to understand why the Old and New Testaments are conflicting, but that's how it goes. The Old Testament teaches that an adulteress should be stoned, but Jesus prevents this from happening. If you're going to try to find religious verses to support your facts, you're going to need to grab them off the New Testament.

Christ fulfilled the old covenant:

Isaiah 42:1-4 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,
My Elect One in whom My soul delights!
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,
Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed He will not break,
And smoking flax He will not quench;
He will bring forth justice for truth.
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged,
Till He has established justice in the earth;
And the coastlands shall wait for His law.”

Matthew 12:17-21 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:
18 “ Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen,
My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased!
I will put My Spirit upon Him,
And He will declare justice to the Gentiles.
19 He will not quarrel nor cry out,
Nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed He will not break,
And smoking flax He will not quench,
Till He sends forth justice to victory;
21 And in His name Gentiles will trust.”

Luke 4:18-21 “ The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,[a]
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”


And made a new one:

Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:1-11 1 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. 2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.

Hebrews 10:15-17 15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

Hebrews 12:18-24 18 For you have not come to the mountain that[a] may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned[c] or shot with an arrow.”[d] 21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”[e])
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


People who quote the Old Testament Law to bash Christianity are as ignorant as those they label as such.

 

[TheExodu5]

You're talking about abiogenesis, not evolution. Evolution has nothing to do with how life began on this planet or anywhere else. Get it through your head.

Sorry then, I have my facts and theories mixed up. Blame it on my evolution professor, as he began simply with the whole amino acids thing and went on to evolution. He never spoke a work about abiogenesis.

And sorry, I retract evolution being an atheistic theory. I misformulated my argument as evolution is more often than not used to purposely contradict religion, in my own experience.

edit: thanks for the clarification ManaByte.

 

[Gaborn]

The bolded is the most accurate thing you've said in this thread and even that isn't the whole story.

Actually that's a huge philosophical debate called the Euthyphro Dilemma

 

[speculawyer]

I will never understand how anyone can claim that humans evolved.

Just look around you!! Look at what we have accomplished! We are special and nothing like animals.

I find the idea of me being related to apes insulting!! How can you compare humans to animals?

Joke post?

Do you really think your shit is that much different from the shit of a cat, dog, horse, ape, lion, etc?

 

[Dolphin]

Not saying it shouldn't be taught to people who want to take biology. However, when it comes to biology, what's studied is micro-evolution.

This isn't true at all. First of all, microevolution and macroevolution are not terms used by any credible biologist. Second, "macroevolution" as Yuri Filipchenko put it, is a very important piece of the puzzle for understanding specifically what causes ecosystems to change, what effects industrialization can have on the faunal community, how ecosystems reach equilibrium, etc etc etc. The notion that "macroevolution" is only useful to an understanding of natural history is a false one.

When it comes to history, it becomes more of a sort of macro-evolution. Micro-evolution can be taught without offending anyone.

Luckily scientists are allowed to study in this country without fear of offending people. Science doesn't stop because people are offended, when it does, progress is hindered. If you recall, Galileo was locked up and shunned by the Catholic Church for daring to suggest that objects in our universe revolved around our sun. Whatever direction science takes, it's in a child's best academic interest to have a thorough understanding of the forefront of scientific theory and research. No one says that children in our nation have to believe the material, but to succeed academically in contemporary society they need to know the material.

Unlike some people in the thread, I oppose calling evolution, as it is taught, a fact. There's a difference in between believing bacteria evolve and thinking we all sprouted from amino acids. I've seen the mathematical odds of the latter happening, and while I still believe it, the odds are pretty damn low enough for me to realize it might not be true.

Really? And what are these mathematical odds?

Darwin realized this and even said so...he knew it was not an infallible theory.

Darwin hasn't been relevant to contemporary science since 1882.

Yes, and our society sprouted from one with mostly Christian beliefs. Therefore, our morality sprouted from religion, in a sense. Or the other possibility is that religion sprouted from morality, but then you've a chicken and the egg type scenario.

I take it you don't study much anthropology.

Why do head-hunters and canibals kill other people needlessly? They should have morality should they not? Or did natural selection decide that they were better off without morals?

Hmm, head-hunters and cannibals kill people needlessly? Hmmmm.

 

[MattKeil]

Most Christians are not descended from Israel (Jews) and that simple fact alone means that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to them.

More accurately, in the Gospels Christ flat out says "Screw all that other stuff, just love thy neighbor and believe in me." That's the "New" part of "New Testament." The Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible mainly to provide backstory and context for the story of Jesus.

 

[ManaByte]

It contains things like prophecy that they believe Christ fulfilled. That makes it important to Christians, but it isn't law to be followed by them. In fact, it can't be. Most Christians are not descended from Israel (Jews) and that simple fact alone means that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to them.

Choose a better example.

324 prophecies to be exact.

Gen 3:15 Seed of a woman (virgin birth) Luke 1:35, Mt 1:18-20
Gen 3:15 He will bruise Satan's head Heb 2:14, 1 Jn 3:18
Gen 5:24 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Mk 6:19
Gen 9:26,27 The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem Luke 3:36
Gen 12:3 As Abraham's seed, will bless all nations Acts 3:25,26
Gen 12:7 The Promise made to Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16
Gen 14:18 A priest after Melchizedek Heb 6:20
Gen 14:18 A King also Heb 7:2
Gen 14:18 The Last Supper foreshadowed Mt 26:26-29
Gen 17:19 The Seed of Isaac Rom 9:7
Gen 22:8 The Lamb of God promised Jn 1:29
Gen 22:18 As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations Gal 3:16
Gen 26:2-5 The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer Heb11:18
Gen 49:10 The time of His coming Luke 2:1-7; Gal 4:4
Gen 49:10 The Seed of Judah Luke 3:33
Gen 49:10 Called Shiloh or One Sent Jn 17:3
Gen 49:10 To come before Judah lost identity Jn 11:47-52
Gen 49:10 To Him shall the obedience of the people be Jn 10:16
Ex 3:13,14 The Great "I Am" Jn 4:26
Ex 12:5 A Lamb without blemish 1 Pet 1:19
Ex 12:13 The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath Rom 5:8
Ex 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover 1 Cor 5:7
Ex 12:46 Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken Jn 19:31-36
Ex 15:2 His exaltation predicted as Yeshua Acts 7:55,56
Ex 15:11 His Character-Holiness Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
Ex 17:6 The Spiritual Rock of Israel 1 Cor 10:4
Ex 33:19 His Character-Merciful Luke 1:72
Lev14:11 The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood Luke 5:12-14; Acts 6:7
Lev16:15-17 Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death Heb 9:7-14
Lev16:27 Suffering outside the Camp Mt 27:33; Heb 13:11,12
Lev17:11 The Blood-the life of the flesh Mt 26;28; Mk 10:45
Lev17:11 It is the blood that makes atonement 1 Jn 3:14-18
Lev 23:36-37 The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst" Jn 19:31-36
Num 9:12 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
Num 21:9 The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up Jn 3:14-18
Num 24:17 Time: "I shall see him, but not now" Gal 4:4
Deut 18:15 "This is of a truth that prophet" Jn 6:14
Deut 18:15-16 "Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me" Jn 5:45-47
Deut 18:18 Sent by the Father to speak His word Jn 8:28,29
Deut 18:19 Whoever will not hear must bear his sin Jn 12:15
Deut 21:23 Cursed is he that hangs on a tree Gal 3:10-13
Ruth 4:4-9 Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us Eph 1:3-7
1 Sam 2:10 Shall be an anointed King to the Lord Mt 28:18; Jn 12:15
2 Sam 7:12 David's Seed Mt 1:1
2 Sam 7:14a The Son of God Luke 1:32
2 Sam 7:16 David's house established forever Luke 3:31; Rev 22:16
2 Ki 2:11 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Luke 24:51
1 Chr 17:11 David's Seed Mt 1:1; Mt 9:27
1 Chr 17:12,13a To reign on David's throne forever Luke 1:32,33
1 Chr 17:13a "I will be His Father, Hemy Son" Heb 1:5
Job 19:23-27 The Resurrection predicted Jn 5:24-29
Psa 2:1-3 The enmity of kings foreordained Acts 4:25-28
Psa 2:2 To own the title, Anointed (Christ) Acts 2:36
Ps 2:6 His Character-Holiness Jn 8:46; Rev 3:7
Ps 2:6 To own the title King Mt 2:2
Ps 2:7 Declared the Beloved Son Mt 3:17
Psa 2:7,8 The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated Acts 13:29-33
Psa 2:12 Life comes through faith in Him Jn 20:31
Psa 8:2 The mouths of babes perfect His praise Mt 21:16
Psa 8:5,6 His humiliation and exaltation Luke 24:50-53; 1 Cor 15:27
Psa 16:10 Was not to see corruption Acts 2:31
Psa 16:9-11 Was to arise from the dead Jn 20:9
Psa 17:15 The resurrection predicted Luke 24:6
Psa 22:1 Forsaken because of sins of others 2 Cor 5:21
Psa 22:1 Words spoken from Calvary, "My God" Mk 15:34
Psa 22:2 Darkness upon Calvary Mt 27:45
Psa 22:7 They shoot out the lip and shake the head Mt 27:39
Psa 22:8 "He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him " Mt 27:43
Psa 22:9 Born the Saviour Luke 2:7
Psa 22:14 Died of a broken (ruptured) heart Jn 19:34
Psa 22:14,15 Suffered agony on Calvary Mk 15:34-37
Psa 22:15 He thirsted Jn 19:28
Psa 22:16 They pierced His hands and His feet Jn 19:34,37; Jn 20:27
Psa 22:17,18 Stripped Him before the stares of men Luke 23:34,35
Psa 22:18 They parted His garments Jn 19:23,24
Psa 22:20,21 He committed Himself to God Luke 23:46
Psa 22:20,21 Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's heel Heb 2:14
Psa 22:22 His Resurrection declared Jn 20:17
Psa 22:27 He shall be the governor of the nations Col 1:16
Psa 22:31 "It is finished" Jn 19:30
Psa 23:1 "I am the Good Shepherd" Jn 10:11
Psa 24:3 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Phil 2:9
Psa 30:3 His resurrection predicted Acts 2:32
Psa 31:5 "Into thy hands I commit my spirit" Luke 23:46
Psa 31:11 His acquaintances fled from Him Mk 14:50
Psa 31:13 They took counsel to put Him to death Jn 11:53
Psa 31:14,15 " He trusted in God, let Him deliver him" Mt 27:43
Psa 34:20 Not a bone of Him broken Jn 19:31-36
Psa 35:11 False witnesses rose up against Him Mt 26:59
Psa 35:19 He was hated without a cause Jn 15:25
Psa 38:11 His friends stood afar off Luke 23:49
Psa 40:2-5 The joy of His resurrection predicted Jn 20:20
Psa 40:6-8 His delight-the will of the Father Jn 4:34
Psa 40:9 He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel Mt 4:17
Psa 40:14 Confronted by adversaries in the Garden Jn 18:2-7
Psa 41:9 Betrayed by a familiar friend Jn 13:18
Psa 45:2 Words of Grace come from His lips Luke 4:22
Psa 45:6 To own the title, God or Elohim Heb 1:8
Psa 45:7 A special anointing by the Holy Spirit Mt 3:16; Heb1:9
Psa 45:7,8 Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed) Luke 2:11
Psa 55:12-14 Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy Jn 13:18
Psa 55:15 Unrepentant death of the Betrayer Mt 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
Psa 68:18 To give gifts to men Eph 4:7-16
Psa 68:18 Ascended into Heaven Luke 24:51
Psa 69:4 Hated without a cause Jn 15:25
Psa 69:8 A stranger to own brethren Luke 8:20,21
Psa 69:9 Zealous for the Lord's House Jn 2:17
Psa 69:14-20 Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion Mt 26:36-45
Psa 69:20 "My soul is exceeding sorrowful" Mt 26:38
Psa 69:21 Given vinegar in thirst Mt 27:34
Psa 69:26 The Saviour given and smitten by God Jn 17:4; Jn 18:11
Psa 72:10,11 Great persons were to visit Him Mt 2:1-11
Psa 72:16 The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground Jn 12:24
Psa 72:17 His name, Yinon, will produce offspring Jn 1:12,13
Psa 72:17 All nations shall be blessed by Him Acts 2:11,12,41
Psa 78:12 He would teach in parables Mt 13:34-35
Psa 78:2b To speak the Wisdom of God with authority Mt 7:29
Psa 88:8 They stood afar off and watched Luke 23:49
Psa 89:27 Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings Luke 1:32,33
Psa 89:35-37 David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever Luke 1:32,33
Psa 89:36-37 His character-Faithfulness Rev 1:5
Psa 90:2 He is from everlasting Micah 5:2; Jn 1:1
Psa 91:11,12 Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ Luke 4:10,11
Psa 97:9 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Eph 1:20
Psa 100:5 His character-Goodness Mt 19:16,17
Psa 102:1-11 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary Jn 21:16-30
Psa 102:25-27 Messiah is the Preexistent Son Heb 1:10-12
Psa 109:25 Ridiculed Mt 27:39
Psa 110:1 Son of David Mt 22:43
Psa 110:1 To ascend to the right-hand of the Father Mk 16:19
Psa 110:1 David's son called Lord Mt 22:44,45
Psa 110:4 A priest after Melchizedek's order Heb 6:20
Psa 112:4 His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al Mt 9:36
Psa 118:17,18 Messiah's Resurrection assured Luke 24:5-7; 1 Cor 15:20
Psa 118:22,23 The rejected stone is Head of the corner Mt 21:42,43
Psa 118:26a The Blessed One presented to Israel Mt 21:9
Psa 118:26b To come while Temple standing Mt 21:12-15
Psa 132:11 The Seed of David (the fruit of His Body) Luke 1:32
Psa 138:1-6 The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings Mt 2:2-6
Psa 147:3,6 The earthly ministry of Christ described Luke 4:18
Psa 1:23 He will send the Spirit of God Jn 16:7
Song 5:16 The altogether lovely One Jn 1:17
Isa 6:1 When Isaiah saw His glory Jn 12:40-41
Isa 6:9-10 Parables fall on deaf ears Mt 13:13-15
Isa 6:9-12 Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words Acts 28:23-29
Isa 7:14 To be born of a virgin Luke 1:35
Isa 7:14 To be Emmanuel-God with us Mt 1:18-23
Isa 8:8 Called Emmanuel Mt 28:20
Isa 8:14 A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense 1 Pet 2:8
Isa 9:1,2 His ministry to begin in Galilee Mt 4:12-17
Isa 9:6 A child born-Humanity Luke 1:31
Isa 9:6 A Son given-Deity Luke 1:32; Jn 1:14; 1 Tim 3:16
Isa 9:6 Declared to be the Son of God with power Rom 1:3,4
Isa 9:6 The Wonderful One, Peleh Luke 4:22
Isa 9:6 The Counsellor, Yaatz Mt 13:54
Isa 9:6 The Mighty God, El Gibor Mt 11:20
Isa 9:6 The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth Jn 8:58
Isa 9:6 The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom Jn 16:33
Isa 9:7 To establish an everlasting kingdom Luke 1:32-33
Isa 9:7 His Character-Just Jn 5:30
Isa 9:7 No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace Luke 1:32-33
Isa 11:1 Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer Mt 2:23
Isa 11:1 A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse Luke 3:23,32
Isa 11:2 The anointed One by the Spirit Mt 3:16,17
Isa 11:2 His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al Jn 4:4-26
Isa 11:4 His Character-Truth Jn 14:6
Isa 11:10 The Gentiles seek Him Jn 12:18-21
Isa 12:2 Called Jesus-Yeshua (salvation) Mt 1:21
Isa 25:8 The Resurrection predicted I Cor 15:54
Isa 26:19 His power of Resurrection predicted Jn 11:43,44
Isa 28:16 The Messiah is the precious corner stone Acts 4:11,12
Isa 29:13 He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word Mt 15:7-9
Isa 29:14 The wise are confounded by the Word I Cor 1:18-31
Isa 32:2 A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place Mt 23:37
Isa 35:4 He will come and save you Mt 1:21
Isa 35:5 To have a ministry of miracles Mt 11:4-6
Isa 40:3,4 Preceded by forerunner Jn 1:23
Isa 40:9 "Behold your God" Jn 1:36; Jn19:14
Isa 40:11 A shepherd-compassionate life-giver Jn 10:10-18
Isa 42:1-4 The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer Mt 12:18-21
Isa 42:2 Meek and lowly Mt 11:28-30
Isa 42:3 He brings hope for the hopeless Jn 4
Isa 42:4 The nations shall wait on His teachings Jn 12:20-26
Isa 42:6 The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles Luke 2:32
Isa 42:1,6 His is a Worldwide compassion Mt 28:19,20
Isa 42:7 Blind eyes opened Jn 9:25-38
Isa 43:11 He is the only Saviour Acts 4:12
Isa 44:3 He will send the Spirit of God Jn 16:7,13
Isa 45:23 He will be the Judge Jn 5:22; Rom 14:11
Isa 48:12 The First and the Last Jn 1:30; Rev 1:8,17
Isa 48:17 He came as a Teacher Jn 3:2
Isa 49:1 Called from the womb-His humanity Mt 1:18
Isa 49:5 A Servant from the womb Luke 1:31; Phil 2:7
Isa 49:6 He is Salvation for Israel Luke 2:29-32
Isa 49:6 He is the Light of the Gentiles Acts 13:47
Isa 49:6 He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth Acts 15:7-18
Isa 49:7 He is despised of the Nation Jn 8:48-49
Isa 50:3 Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation Luke 23:44,45
Isa 50:4 He is a learned counsellor for the weary Mt 11:28,29
Isa 50:5 The Servant bound willingly to obedience Mt 26:39
Isa 50:6a "I gave my back to the smiters" Mt 27:26
Isa 50:6b He was smitten on the cheeks Mt 26:67
Isa 50:6c He was spat upon Mt 27:30
Isa 52:7 To publish good tidings of peace Luke 4:14,15
Isa 52:13 The Servant exalted Acts 1:8-11; Eph 1:19-22
Isa 52:13 Behold, My Servant Mt 17:5; Phil 2:5-8
Isa 52:14 The Servant shockingly abused Luke 18:31-34; Mt 26:67,68
Isa 52:15 Nations startled by message of the Servant Rom 15:18-21
Isa 52:15 His blood shed to make atonement for all Rev 1:5
Isa 53:1 His people would not believe Him Jn 12:37-38
Isa 53:2a He would grow up in a poor family Luke 2:7
Isa 53:2b Appearance of an ordinary man Phil 2:7-8
Isa 53:3a Despised Luke 4:28-29
Isa 53:3b Rejected Mt 27:21-23
Isa 53:3c Great sorrow and grief Luke 19:41-42
Isa 53:3d Men hide from being associated with Him Mk 14:50-52
Isa 53:4a He would have a healing ministry Luke 6:17-19
Isa 53:4b He would bear the sins of the world 1 Pet 2:24
Isa 53:4c Thought to be cursed by God Mt 27:41-43
Isa 53:5a Bears penalty for mankind's transgressions Luke 23:33
Isa 53:5b His sacrifice would provide peace between man and God Col 1:20
Isa 53:5c His back would be whipped Mt 27:26
Isa 53:6a He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind Gal 1:4
Isa 53:6b God's will that He bear sin for all mankind 1 Jn 4:10
Isa 53:7a Oppressed and afflicted Mt 27:27-31
Isa 53:7b Silent before his accusers Mt 27:12-14
Isa 53:7c Sacrificial lamb Jn 1:29
Isa 53:8a Confined and persecuted Mt 26:47; Mt 27:31
Isa 53:8b He would be judged Jn 18:13-22
Isa 53:8c Killed Mt 27:35
Isa 53:8d Dies for the sins of the world 1 Jn 2:2
Isa 53:9a Buried in a rich man's grave Mt 27:57
Isa 53:9b Innocent and had done no violence Mk 15:3
Isa 53:9c No deceit in his mouth Jn 18:38
Isa 53:10a God's will that He die for mankind Jn 18:11
Isa 53:10b An offering for sin Mt 20:28
Isa 53:10c Resurrected and live forever Mk 16:16
Isa 53:10d He would prosper Jn 17:1-5
Isa 53:11a God fully satisfied with His suffering Jn 12:27
Isa 53:11b God's servant Rom 5:18-19
Isa 53:11c He would justify man before God Rom 5:8-9
Isa 53:11d The sin-bearer for all mankind Heb 9:28
Isa 53:12a Exalted by God because of his sacrifice Mt 28:18
Isa 53:12b He would give up his life to save mankind Luke 23:46
Isa 53:12c Grouped with criminals Luke 23:32
Isa 53:12d Sin-bearer for all mankind 2 Cor 5:21
Isa 53:12e Intercede to God in behalf of mankind Luke 23:34
Isa 55:3 Resurrected by God Acts 13:34
Isa 55:4 A witness Jn 18:37
Isa 59:15-16a He would come to provide salvation Jn 6:40
Isa 59:15-16b Intercessor between man and God Mt 10:32
Isa 59:20 He would come to Zion as their Redeemer Luke 2:38
Isa 61:1-2a The Spirit of God upon him Mt 3:16-17
Isa 61:1-2b The Messiah would preach the good news Luke 4:17-21
Isa 61:1-2c Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and death Jn 8:31-32
Isa 61:1-2 Proclaim a period of grace Jn 5:24
Jer 23:5-6a Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
Jer 23:5-6b The Messiah would be God Jn 13:13
Jer 23:5-6c The Messiah would be both God and Man 1 Tim 3:16
Jer 31:22 Born of a virgin Mt 1:18-20
Jer 31:31 The Messiah would be the new covenant Mt 26:28
Jer 33:14-15 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
Eze 17:22-24 Descendant of David Lk 3:23-31
Eze 34:23-24 Descendant of David Mt 1:1
Dan 7:13-14a He would ascend into heaven Acts 1:9-11
Dan 7:13-14b Highly exalted Eph 1:20-22
Dan 7:13-14c His dominion would be everlasting Luke 1:31-33
Dan 9:24a To make an end to sins Gal 1:3-5
Dan 9:24b He would be holy Luke 1:35
Dan 9:25 Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day, after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem Jn 12:12-13
Dan 9:26a Killed Mt 27:35
Dan 9:26b Die for the sins of the world Heb 2:9
Dan 9:26c Killed before the destruction of the temple Mt 27:50-51
Dan 10:5-6 Messiah in a glorified state Rev 1:13-16
Hos 13:14 He would defeat death 1 Cor 15:55-57
Joel 2:32 Offer salvation to all mankind Rom 10:12-13
Mic 5:2a Born in Bethlehem Mt 2:1-2
Mic 5:2b God's servant Jn 15:10
Mic 5:2c From everlasting Jn 8:58
Hag 2:6-9 He would visit the second Temple Luke 2:27-32
Hag 2:23 Descendant of Zerubbabel Luke 3:23-27
Zech 3:8 God's servant Jn 17:4
Zech 6:12-13 Priest and King Heb 8:1
Zech 9:9a Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem Mt 21:8-10
Zech 9:9b Beheld as King Jn 12:12-13
Zech 9:9c The Messiah would be just Jn 5:30
Zech 9:9d The Messiah would bring salvation Luke 19:10
Zech 9:9e The Messiah would be humble Mt 11:29
Zech 9:9f Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey Mt 21:6-9
Zech 10:4 The cornerstone Eph 2:20
Zech 11:4-6a At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders Mt 23:1-4
Zech 11:4-6b Rejection causes God to remove His protection Luke 19:41-44
Zech 11:4-6c Rejected in favor of another king Jn 19:13-15
Zech 11:7 Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant Mt 9:35-36
Zech 11:8a Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them Mt 23:33
Zech 11:8b Despised Mt 27:20
Zech 11:9 Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him Mt 13:10-11
Zech 11:10-11a Rejection causes God to remove protection Luke 19:41-44
Zech 11:10-11b The Messiah would be God Jn 14:7
Zech 11:12-13a Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver Mt 26:14-15
Zech 11:12-13b Rejected Mt 26:14-15
Zech 11:12-13c Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of the Lord Mt 27:3-5
Zech 11:12-13d The Messiah would be God Jn 12:45
Zech 12:10a The Messiah's body would be pierced Jn 19:34-37
Zech 12:10b The Messiah would be both God and man Jn 10:30
Zech 12:10c The Messiah would be rejected Jn 1:11
Zech 13:7a God's will He die for mankind Jn 18:11
Zech 13:7b A violent death Mt 27:35
Zech 13:7c Both God and man Jn 14:9
Zech 13:7d Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him Mt 26:31-56
Mal 3:1a Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah Mt 11:10
Mal 3:1b Sudden appearance at the temple Mk 11:15-16
Mal 3:1c Messenger of the new covenant Luke 4:43
Mal 4:5 Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah Mt 3:1-2
Mal 4:6 Forerunner would turn many to righteousness Luke 1:16-17

 

[ronito]

You can't claim to be a Christian and deny scripture.

But he has. See my post above.

I love it.

"You can't deny scripture!!!"
"Then you believe the world is 6,000 years old."
"WTFOMGBBQ! That's stupid! Wut are you? Ignurnt?"
"It's in the bible. Prove me wrong."
"....................................."

 

[Azih]

Hmm Azih. Morality is religions good and bad. Not believing in morality doesn't mean you don't believe in Good and Bad, it means you don't believe in religion's good and bad. I personally have an Amoral theory of Human's good and bad (ie. without religioun's morals.)

I'm suspecting we agree on this...just the way you wrote it sounded wrong to me...

Well you can easily have a system of morality that has nothing to do with religions at all as you can believe in good and bad actions without being religous at all. Morality doesn't need to be religously informed.

Amoral means believing there *is* no good and bad, that is also logically seperate from religion. I could imagine an amoral and deeply religious person, but it would be a pretty weird religion.

 

[Tamanon]

Wait.....Disney produces the Bible now?

 

[bastionwords]

I know it's fun to pick on Christianity, but right now you just have no clue what you're talking about. The part of the Bible that would suggest stoning of adulterous women as a suitable punishment is in the early Old Testament. These were laws of the Israelites or Hebrews. If anyone would still be expected to apply these laws today it would be Jews, not Christians. You see, Christianity as a religion is from Judaism, but it isn't Judaism. Christians read and discuss the Old Testament because they see it as a history of where their religion came from. It contains things like prophecy that they believe Christ fulfilled. That makes it important to Christians, but it isn't law to be followed by them. In fact, it can't be. Most Christians are not descended from Israel (Jews) and that simple fact alone means that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to them.

Choose a better example.

So why even teach anything from Leviticus in churches? Why have my Christian friends who try to tell me that certain things are wrong based on levitical scripture? You can't use this argument because I have been in enough churches to know that levitical law is still a pick and choose world where Christians choose which levitical laws can and can't be used against themselves and other people.

A question in regards to the apologetic evolutionary teaching, why must science be sensitive to any religion in terms of study?

 

[Aurvant]

Dude, I'm a christian. Except I'm a christian that's READ THE BIBLE.

Unless you imply some sort of logic stating the first 7 days were not days at all (in which case why is that open to interpretation and the rest not?) and you add up the days it comes to 6,000 years. Prove me wrong. Just try.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and address something you've said so here goes:

In Genesis 1:3-5 God creates the Light and Darkness, separates them from one another and calls them Day and Night. This is referred to as the First Day.

It was NOT until the 4th day that God created the Sun and the Moon as the Greater and Lesser lights which to govern the seasons, days, nights, and years.

From a "Creationist" standpoint it can be perceived that God may have determined the "days" upon which he formed the Heavens, Earth, and everything afterward from something more than just the Sun and a 24 hour period. To a being that is believed to be infinite it is not conceivable to think that he would be governed by the same rules and measures of time that we mortals are confined too.

As for Evolution? It does not explicitly state that "There is No God" but merely omits the possibility of one by not mentioning him in the process of life. This reason, I believe, is why so many Atheists and anti-religious people try to use science as a means of trying to destroy God or, at the very least, the thought or belief in God.

 

[Druz]

This thread would make a good go-to page for the definition of ignorance. I don't know if I've ever face palmed as much.

 

[MattKeil]

Sorry then, I have my facts and theories mixed up. Blame it on my evolution professor, as he began simply with the whole amino acids thing and went on to evolution. He never spoke a work about abiogenesis.

There are absolutely bad teachers out there. Unfortunately this is a large part of why kids never fully grasp what abiogenesis, evolution, and other scientific theories are and what they mean, and end up with twisted viewpoints like yours. I don't mean it as an insult, because it's not your fault. Your science teachers have failed you, in terms of instruction and in terms of instilling an interest in scientific knowledge in you and almost certainly many of your classmates.

This is one of the big, big reasons the educational system in this country needs a huge revamp.

 

[theBishop]

Choose a better example.

Matthew 15:4

For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'

Then again, Christ was a Jew.

 

[Azih]

What do you think psychology is?

Studying how humans think and behave. How humans *should* think and behave remains outside of philosphy's department.

 

[speculawyer]

You can't claim to be a Christian and deny scripture.

It's like running for President, claiming to be a Christian, yet supporting late term Abortion or any form of Abortion.

Except that this prohibition against abortion has zero support in the Bible. Did you know that? Did you know that the Southern Baptists originally supported and approved of Roe v. Wade?


Now don't cite me this "I knew you before you were born." crap. That could just be an expression for "I've known you a long time." It is in no way any kind of prohibition of abortion. If God really wanted to outlaw abortion don't you think he could have said "Abortion should be illegal."

 

[iapetus]

More accurately, in the Gospels Christ flat out says "Screw all that other stuff, just love thy neighbor and believe in me." That's the "New" part of "New Testament." The Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible mainly to provide backstory and context for the story of Jesus.

Not strictly true. Those two commandments are provided in response to the question of which laws are most important, and it's pretty clearly stated that the other laws are based on these two - if you love both God and your neighbour, then you're automatically going to stick the other stuff. Hence "on these two commandments hang all the law, and the prophets".

 

[levious]

Wait.....Disney produces the Bible now?

every roadside motel has a bible