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[Hitokage]

I wonder if all the assist achievements count when multiple medics are healing the same person. Like, an entire team of medics healing one heavy who then kills 20 volunteers on the other team.

Wow. You know what's sad? Until I read that, I never even considered how that nerfing affected ubers. I'm so used to only getting ubers when a medic is in desperate condition and my ammo is almost depleted, that I forgot the glory days of RichardFun/The Storyteller ubers with 6 shots in the chamber.

It's really not a huge deal, since the primary concern with an uber is still your clip running out, but it is logistically limiting. Sometimes "charge forward" and "find ammo" can't be done at the same time.

That reminds me, try as I might sometimes, four rockets just don't do the damage I want them to... a crit-uber would solve that.

 

[Iadien]

Hope they didn't lose the original stats and their accumulated health earned. Cause Valve would suck if they did that. Cheating is good when the system sucks. Hope Valve learns this and radically alters future classes.

He only lost the new medic achievements.

 

[rakka]

Sorry for the rant, but it's long annoyed me when I'm at the top of the scoreboard, win MVP, and 3 medics spent the entire match humping demomen and heavies who weren't doing squat.

hey, they're not all that useless... a decent heavy usually has no problem topping the scoreboard/winning mvp not to mention clearing points, etc. same for demomen.

 

[Hitokage]

He wasn't criticizing demomen or heavies, just the people who were using them at the time and how medics went to them simply because some rule apparently says you should only team with demomen or heavies.

 

[fallout]

Remember guys, 1-D_FTW is a self-hating TF2 player who promised to quit the game a few pages back.

 

[omgimaninja]

Did yall ever play new Avanti last night, or was it just Goldrush?

 

[No Means Nomad]

He wasn't criticizing demomen or heavies, just the people who were using them at the time and how medics went to them simply because some rule apparently says you should only team with demomen or heavies.

Let me reiterate this, if you're a medic you should only uber demomen and heavies. Especially because those are the two classes I play the most right now.

 

[rakka]

He wasn't criticizing demomen or heavies, just the people who were using them at the time and how medics went to them simply because some rule apparently says you should only team with demomen or heavies.

well it seems as if he's in unfortunate situations like these nearly all the time.

 

[Chris R]

Do steam community friends include those in groups you have joined?

 

[Won]

Damn I just can't do Placebo Effect and Consultation. I suck.

Do steam community friends include those in groups you have joined?

No.

 

[Chris R]

Damn I just can't do Placebo Effect and Consultation. I suck.



No.

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT??? I have to invite everyone in the gaf group or what?

 

[fallengorn]

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT??? I have to invite everyone in the gaf group or what?

or... you could just invite the regular gaf tf2ers.

I finally got up to 12 achievements.

How does Second Opinion work? I keep ubering two people and it doesn't give it to me.

 

[omgimaninja]

I'll try to be on around 8pm US CST for some intense goldrushing and Avanti (please??)

 

[omgimaninja]

or... you could just invite the regular gaf tf2ers.

I finally got up to 12 achievements.

How does Second Opinion work? I keep ubering two people and it doesn't give it to me.

You're doing it wrong! I dunno, I just used the old method of switching between two people back and forth so both are ubered at the same time.

 

[Capndrake]

How does Second Opinion work? I keep ubering two people and it doesn't give it to me.

Think it's broken, I did it twice and it didn't work.

I'm gonna need GAF help for these:
-Play Doctor (Or wait till this all dies down but screw that)
-Big Pharma
-You'll Feel a Little Prick
-Ubi Concordia, Ibi Victoria
-Intern
-Specialist
-Family Practice (5/10 done I believe, I ubered n0b, Sciz, KimiSan, Won and somebody else so far)
-Blast Assist

Also still need these but they will come with time:
-Medical Breakthrough
-Doctor Assisted Homicide
-Chief of Staff
-Second Opinion
-Milestone 3

Also, the Kritzkrieg has a new "taunt" while the Blutsauger doesn't (I think). Every now and then instead of bowing, the Medic will stand still and go "Haha! Oktoberfest!"

 

[evlcookie]

Hitokage, How are you finding the new increased splash throwback from rockets? It seems a bit over the top to me. I shot a sniper from the start of goldrush all the way back to his spawn point, must have been 20 feet or so, was a bit over the top.

 

[fallengorn]

Can we just lock a server down and just hammer these out in a night?

 

[Iadien]

Think it's broken, I did it twice and it didn't work.

It worked for me. Both players have to be ubered at the same time for the duration of the uber I believe.

Also, the Kritzkrieg has a new "taunt" while the Blutsauger doesn't (I think). Every now and then instead of bowing, the Medic will stand still and go "Haha! Oktoberfest!"

I saw that taunt without having any new weapons unlocked...

 

[Won]

Can we just lock a server down and just hammer these out in a night?

Yeah. Really want those killing achievements out of my way. They are just annoying.

And second opinion took me about 4 tries till it finally worked.

 

[Sciz]

How does Second Opinion work? I keep ubering two people and it doesn't give it to me.

I got it to work on the first try, personally. It probably requires that both people are still uber when your meter runs out. Or it's just buggy, which wouldn't surprise me. I had to make two house calls before it registered.

Also, this is the result of defending and attacking Gold Rush 1 once each:

17 kill streak max. I'm not supposed to be that good as a soldier. :lol

 

[Chris R]

Can we just lock a server down and just hammer these out in a night?

that would be an awesome idea... get in vent or something and let everyone get them all.

 

[1-D_FTW]

A medic getting five kills with a ubered soldier is pretty much reliant solely on severe luck now. It was hard with 6 rockets, but 4 is pretty slim even if you have them cornered.

hey, they're not all that useless... a decent heavy usually has no problem topping the scoreboard/winning mvp not to mention clearing points, etc. same for demomen.

I know that. Bad wording. I'm just saying I wish they would scoreboard check. If they're squandering their support, find someone else. They would automatically just uber a class, than players. Call it bitching, but it's common talk on public servers that soldiers are a waste to medic.

Remember guys, 1-D_FTW is a self-hating TF2 player who promised to quit the game a few pages back.

I quit for two weeks. TF2 is a powerful drug. And isn't a gaming forum's sole purpose to vent about things you're passionate about? I guess I'm guilty of that. I see venting more fun than just posting things that are trollish or "I agree."

 

[firex]

A medic getting five kills with a ubered soldier is pretty much reliant solely on severe luck now. It was hard with 6 rockets, but 4 is pretty slim even if you have them cornered.



I know that. Bad wording. I'm just saying I wish they would scoreboard check. If they're squandering their support, find someone else. They would automatically just uber a class, than players. Call it bitching, but it's common talk on public servers that soldiers are a waste to medic.



I quit for two weeks. TF2 is a powerful drug.

I think all the "get x number of kills with an ubered class" achievements would work best with the crit medigun. I assume that still counts as an ubercharge, and if you get people clumped up on a CP then a soldier could easily do that.

 

[Capndrake]

A medic getting five kills with a ubered soldier is pretty much reliant solely on severe luck now. It was hard with 6 rockets, but 4 is pretty slim even if you have them cornered.

Kritzkrieg should make it doable. Especially on Granary, I'd say (They added gates and a setup time, so you can charge a crit uber and possibly unleash 4 crit rockets on a whole bunch of Scouts).

 

[1-D_FTW]

Yes. You're right. Dustbowl is another map that should be fairly easy on.

 

[Javaman]

I'd imagine 2fort would be one of the quickest. I'm all game for this tonight. The sooner we can get this nonsense behind us the better, though I imagine that valve will unlock them all once they see how many people are just doing setups. Hopefully they'll see the light and have future class weapons unlockable from the start. Imagine how annoying it'll be to deal with team unbalances with each new class of weapons. P

I think Puyo should get first dibs. He's earned it.

 

[PillowKnight]

Hate to say it, but soldiers are not fit to uber. It is often true that ubering a soldier is a waste of an uber. The only times when ubering a soldier works is when the heavy/pyros on your team suck. It's even worse now that the soldier only has 20 max ammo, and that you don't even know if a soldier will just run out of ammo mid uber which happens to me all the time while playing as soldier.

 

[Davidion]

Hate to say it, but soldiers are not fit to uber. It is often true that ubering a soldier is a waste of an uber. The only times when ubering a soldier works is when the heavy/pyros on your team suck. It's even worse now that the soldier only has 20 max ammo, and that you don't even know if a soldier will just run out of ammo mid uber which happens to me all the time while playing as soldier.

Yeah soldiers aren't designed to deliver damage rapidly over a prolonged period of time, unlike the Pyro and Heavy. Nor can he pound out a sudden burst of damage with the same intensity as the Demoman.

Kind of a shame, but that's what being an all-around offensive class gets you. Jack of all trades, but he's lacking in certain unique strengths.

 

[omgimaninja]

ICY please check on reserved slots...it's not letting me join. If reserved slots aren't working properly, can you just password the server instead? I'm getting kicked for people I've never heard of before and doubt are GAFers

 

[Slo]

Yeah, I tried to join tonight and got rejected too. Figured you guys just hated me.

 

[aznpxdd]

Medic whoring is ruining this game.

 

[Cheeto]

Never have done this good as a pyro

 

[CrookedRain]

n0b is quite awesome with the needle gun. The team stacking sucked on avanti though.

 

[dionysus]

Medic whoring is ruining this game.

Yes.

 

[Big-E]

That was fun. Gold rush is pretty awesome. Some pretty epic defenses at the last points there.

 

[Hitokage]

A medic getting five kills with a ubered soldier is pretty much reliant solely on severe luck now. It was hard with 6 rockets, but 4 is pretty slim even if you have them cornered.

Uh... rocket launcher clip has always been 4 in TF2. What got nerfed was your reserve.

Hate to say it, but soldiers are not fit to uber. It is often true that ubering a soldier is a waste of an uber. The only times when ubering a soldier works is when the heavy/pyros on your team suck. It's even worse now that the soldier only has 20 max ammo, and that you don't even know if a soldier will just run out of ammo mid uber which happens to me all the time while playing as soldier.

Yeah, well, fuck you!

Yeah soldiers aren't designed to deliver damage rapidly over a prolonged period of time, unlike the Pyro and Heavy. Nor can he pound out a sudden burst of damage with the same intensity as the Demoman.

Kind of a shame, but that's what being an all-around offensive class gets you. Jack of all trades, but he's lacking in certain unique strengths.

You too!

Seriously though, while it's true I'm occasionally guilty of squandering an uber(especially when I don't think ahead and just try to wing it... I get impulsive like that), many times a medic ubering me led my team to victory. Hardly a waste.

 

[Davidion]

Uh... rocket launcher clip has always been 4 in TF2. What got nerfed was your reserve.

Yeah, well, fuck you!
You too!

Seriously though, while it's true I'm occasionally guilty of squandering an uber(especially when I don't think ahead and just try to wing it... I get impulsive like that), many times a medic ubering me led my team to victory. Hardly a waste.

Hey soldier's my best class...well, at least my most used class anyhow. :lol But really, I just think that overall he's not as specialized as other classes, particularly in close range combat against multiple positions.

 

[PillowKnight]

Uh... rocket launcher clip has always been 4 in TF2. What got nerfed was your reserve.

Yeah, well, fuck you!
You too!

Seriously though, while it's true I'm occasionally guilty of squandering an uber(especially when I don't think ahead and just try to wing it... I get impulsive like that), many times a medic ubering me led my team to victory. Hardly a waste.

But how do you know a heavy/pyro would not have been more effective?

Anyways, with proper ubers the ubered runs forward, take the heat of sentries, all the while everyone else charges right after them. In which case you'd have a ubered pyro charging forward and Hito treading their steps.

 

[fallout]

I quit for two weeks. TF2 is a powerful drug. And isn't a gaming forum's sole purpose to vent about things you're passionate about? I guess I'm guilty of that. I see venting more fun than just posting things that are trollish or "I agree."

Heh, just giving you a hard time. It's good that you're playing and being critical! I just don't like seeing people play a game and not enjoy it. Seems like a waste, to me. But if you're having fun with the new stuff, more power to you.

 

[Hitokage]

Actually, with a Soldier/Medic the team dynamic is usually for the health boost and quick healing while the soldier does his usual thing, and then the uber comes in when that extra bit of protection is required... so it's a bit disingenuous of me to say it was the uber that led to victory when most of the work was done without it. Medic/Pyro generally isn't as effective UNTIL a situation to uber comes in.

Oh, and a pyro can't rocket jump or fire long-range.

 

[PillowKnight]

Actually, with a Soldier/Medic the team dynamic is usually for the health boost and quick healing while the soldier does his usual thing, and then the uber comes in when that extra bit of protection is required... so it's a bit disingenuous of me to say it was the uber that led to victory when most of the work was done without it. Medic/Pyro generally isn't as effective UNTIL a situation to uber comes in.

Oh, and a pyro can't rocket jump or fire long-range.

Yeah most definitely. Medic-soldier combo makes for a very potent combination.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Hey soldier's my best class...well, at least my most used class anyhow. :lol But really, I just think that overall he's not as specialized as other classes, particularly in close range combat against multiple positions.

The only classes that will outdo a soldier in close range against multiple would be the heavy and pyro.

Why not demo? pipe bombs wont do taht well against many and stickies need to already be setup so unless he planned for it but stickies are visible and avoidable.

 

[Teknopathetic]

Short of the Heavy, the soldier is the best close ranged class in the game. And the heavy's spool up time makes it a close call.

 

[Hitokage]

Short of the Heavy, the soldier is the best close ranged class in the game. And the heavy's spool up time makes it a close call.

It's situational.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"It's situational."

Like, Pyro getting the drop on a soldier at half-health situational. Well, yeah.

 

[Hitokage]

But that's the Pyro's MO to begin with.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"But that's the Pyro's MO to begin with."

Except that if the Pyro gets the drop on the soldier at full health he loses.

 

[Zek]

How does Second Opinion work? I keep ubering two people and it doesn't give it to me.

You have to turn off one-click healing for Second Opinion to work.

"It's situational."

Like, Pyro getting the drop on a soldier at half-health situational. Well, yeah.

Uh, no, like Pyro getting the drop on a class that isn't Soldier situational. And Pyros are better at getting the drop on people to begin with thanks to their movement speed and no reloading.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"Uh, no, like Pyro getting the drop on a class that isn't Soldier situational. And Pyros are better at getting the drop on people to begin with thanks to their movement speed and no reloading."


Er...the other classes mentioned were soldier and heavy. If the pyro's lucky he can get in close enough and drop the heavy before the heavy can spool up and get a decent bead on him. Other than that the heavy will have half health by time it's over. Every other class isn't a contender for "close range" to begin with, though a Pyro is easy pickings for a scout 95% of the time.

 

[No Means Nomad]

Medic is the best close range combatant. Bonesaw reach and crit rate is nuts.