CrookedRain
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The class limits are really way too strict. I really enjoy the diversity between teams and the limits are just going to enforce teams of mostly heavies, soldiers and medics while you restrict the counters to these classes.
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I apologize for sucking today. Especially to Puyo. I was useless. Although, it did seem we were always fighting 3 rocket sentries. Or a medic-medic-train. Or demo-mans from hell (They definitely don't need nerfing .)
I'm changing my resolution back to 1024*768. Changed to 1280*960 yesterday and ever since I've did it, it seems like the scouts warp around on crack. I could drop the settings from high, but I'm too big a graphic whore for that. Just seems suspicious they suddenly go nuts after I did that.
But the engineer is a defense class. His point is to prevent the other team from capturing your CP and his weapon is the sentry.
I'v quit playing engineers and have grown to hate their sentries, but the whole theory baffles me.
I fight for the CP in OT (and die from sentries 50 percent of the time), but I'm not an engineer advocate. I think they should be limited to two. But if they're gonna be there, it seems strange to punish them for the one thing they're designed to do.
P.S. We just had some games and were getting destroyed by clusters of rocket sentries. If you're gonna class limit, class limit the engineer (2) too.
I'm changing my resolution back to 1024*768. Changed to 1280*960 yesterday and ever since I've did it, it seems like the scouts warp around on crack. I could drop the settings from high, but I'm too big a graphic whore for that. Just seems suspicious they suddenly go nuts after I did that.
Icy said:
But the engineer is a defense class. His point is to prevent the other team from capturing your CP and his weapon is the sentry.
I'v quit playing engineers and have grown to hate their sentries, but the whole theory baffles me.
I fight for the CP in OT (and die from sentries 50 percent of the time), but I'm not an engineer advocate. I think they should be limited to two. But if they're gonna be there, it seems strange to punish them for the one thing they're designed to do.
P.S. We just had some games and were getting destroyed by clusters of rocket sentries. If you're gonna class limit, class limit the engineer (2) too.
CrookedRain
Member
There were several times when I was playing where we needed a sentry taken out but I couldn't switch to a class I needed to get the job done. The class limit was really pissing me off.
CrookedRain
Member
Not only that but getting out of the spawn on Dustbowl really sucks with the limiting of the spies and demomen. When there's lines of stickies around your spawn, spies and demomen are really useful for clearing out the spamming demoman, soldiers and sentries guarding your spawn.
1-D_FTW said:
You'd be surprised how effective an engineer can be on the frontline if he's willing to push back the enemies a bit instead of cowering behind his turret. The latter will usually fail against an experienced player of just about any class, while the former can keep the element of suprise going. Since the gun only handles a set angle, the engineer can "toe" the line to the left or right of the turret's view to keep whittling down the enemy. If the enemy steps a little too far around the corner to cap the annoying eng, the gun'll take him out.
Teknopathetic
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An engineer can still be useful in sudden death without building a turret way back at the last capture point and camping it out. Building them forward to push the enemy back (And get a few kills), helps your team way more than that.
CajoleJuice
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Can you turn off the class limits, period?Lathentar said:
Teknopathetic
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While I understand the logic behind class limits, I too don't think they're necessary.
CajoleJuice
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Also, what's the pw?
Hitokage said:
Well it's not just that. We were getting pounded and desperately needed a good demo or spy to clear the turrets out.
And with the limits set the way they were, you might lock somebody skilled out. I can't play either class. But a good player could have helped us out. And if they were locked out because two scrubs were occupying the slot, you're screwed. You can't break out of your base when there's 4 rocket turrets slaughtering you from the get go. And that was our problem. The rocket turrets were there from the start and there was no effective way to break it for our team.
I was ubered as a soldier, not missing with a single shot, and still only able to get 1 out each time (doesn't help you're being blown all over the place by the competing rockets.)
It makes no sense to set the engineer class at 4 and the anti-engineer classes at 2. Make them all the same or have no limits at all.
Foreign Jackass
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Played tonight. I think the limits are not needed.
CrookedRain
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I really don't get why demomen are limited to 2 per team, but we can have unlimited soldiers.
The Storyteller
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Great games just then. It amused me when Hitokage left our team, we went from dominating to being dominated.
I didn't even realise you had moved until a rocket went slamming into my poor medic face. :/
I hate this. I've played a few games where almost half the team were soldiers. Really, it got kinda boring. Not a fan of the class limits (although I understand why they are in place). I played on another server where the entire opposing team rushed as spies. Yes, spies. You can imagine.
Its that kind of spotaniety that makes this game that much more omgawesome.
I versed Puyo 1v1 as medics. It was amusing. I won, for the record.
I didn't even realise you had moved until a rocket went slamming into my poor medic face. :/
CrookedRain said:
I hate this. I've played a few games where almost half the team were soldiers. Really, it got kinda boring. Not a fan of the class limits (although I understand why they are in place). I played on another server where the entire opposing team rushed as spies. Yes, spies. You can imagine.
Its that kind of spotaniety that makes this game that much more omgawesome.
fallout said:
I versed Puyo 1v1 as medics. It was amusing. I won, for the record.
Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I'm willing to say that while it feels good to blame it on the other player's class, it's really just a matter of them getting the upper hand... so while I still support using class limits as sanity checks so we don't have 6-7 snipers on one team, finetuning balance on class alone just doesn't work.
After all, you could be stuck with somebody who's lousy at soldier and lousy at medic, and I could be on the other team with puyo.
Oh, and I apologize to n0b for swapping him to the other team. I was just trying to make teams a little less stacked, but I didn't know he was already messed with a lot before.
After all, you could be stuck with somebody who's lousy at soldier and lousy at medic, and I could be on the other team with puyo.
Oh, and I apologize to n0b for swapping him to the other team. I was just trying to make teams a little less stacked, but I didn't know he was already messed with a lot before.
CrookedRain
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I like to change classes depending on what the current situation is. If we're having trouble with turrets, I like to change to a demoman or spy to take care of them. If we're getting rolled over by heavies and medics and I can get some good shots at them, I might switch to a sniper. Changing from offense to defense or vice versa may also cause me to switch classes. Now half the time I can't switch to a class the team needs and if I can, I have to think twice about it because I probably won't be able to switch back. Luckily, the one class you play all the time is not limited, Hito. :lol
My biggest complaint now is the demoman limit. I've never been on a team where I felt like we lost because we had too many demomen.
My biggest complaint now is the demoman limit. I've never been on a team where I felt like we lost because we had too many demomen.
The Storyteller
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Hitokage said:
That was hilarious!
I've played with the guy before, the moment he begins losing he starts saying there is a fault in the game. Which, no. He just sucks.
Spotless Mind
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:lol I have no idea. I also have no idea why he is so fixated with me.. kinda creepy.Hitokage said:
The Storyteller
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Hitokage said:
Oh, he meant it.
What the fucks a waffle?
I have some questions about the GAF server
1. Do you have lots of talking? I'm a mean spy checker, but if I'm the only one talking I can't be bothered to alert people.
2. What size games do you generally play?
3. What time, (and time zone for converting) do you guys play
Cheers
1. Do you have lots of talking? I'm a mean spy checker, but if I'm the only one talking I can't be bothered to alert people.
2. What size games do you generally play?
3. What time, (and time zone for converting) do you guys play
Cheers
McBacon said:
Some of us use it, others do not. But they have it onto listen and will respond in text chat.
McBacon said:
What do you mean? Server limit is 24 players period.
McBacon said:
People are on it, playing all the time. But generally the evening after 6pm local time in the various US time zones is the hot time.
Last night had some really good games, I was one of the MVPs 4-5 consecutive times. Puyo, sorry for stabbing you in the back so many times .. getting you is like taking out 1/4 of your team
About the class limits, I hope Icy moves it upto 3-4 atleast. In some maps (granary, gravelpit) the chances of 3+ sentries (in one area) are very common. You either need more than 2-3 demomen or spies to take them out. Conversely 3-4 engineers behind those sentries would be an even playing field.
Puyo, sorry for stabbing you in the back so many times .. getting you is like taking out 1/4 of your team About the class limits, I hope Icy moves it upto 3-4 atleast. In some maps (granary, gravelpit) the chances of 3+ sentries (in one area) are very common. You either need more than 2-3 demomen or spies to take them out. Conversely 3-4 engineers behind those sentries would be an even playing field.
omgimaninja
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What! You just had to pick the weekend I was going out of town to have thisIcy said:
Scout is the worst possible disguise, your slowish speed gives you away. Medic is the next worst disguise, people will get suspicious when they dont see you healing anyone. Medic's healing capability is unlimited and most medics heal or overheal all the time so you'll be the odd one out.Xrenity said:Love playing as a spy lately and I'm having pretty good scores (top 3
I usually disguise as a scout, go cloaking, uncloak behind some rocks, and pretend I'm on their team. Just walk behind someone defending the base (snipers) et voila. Stabbed in the back.
Confidence Man
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Finally got all the Hammer issues worked out. Here's a pic of the map I'm making, blue base:
Hitokage said:
Man Hito. Stop owning so hard with the soldier.
Only time I ever did almost as good as that was when I was a heavy with a good medic playing against some sucky guys on the neogaf servers. I had about 60 something kills, 12 deaths, and a bunch of capture and destructions. It was awesome.
also I see someone who posts at the OCR forums in that screenshot.
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