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Team Fortress 2 Official PC Thread. SO. WORTH. IT.
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Teknopathetic
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"Maybe, just maybe... demomen WERE overpowered to begin with. 
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THEY WERE JUST RIGHT.
"THEY WERE JUST RIGHT.
PillowKnight
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No they weren't, they're just right now. They were ridiculously overpowered before the nerf. Demomen are still extremely powerful and versatile, they're my favorite class at the moment.Teknopathetic said:"Maybe, just maybe... demomen WERE overpowered to begin with.
THEY WERE JUST RIGHT.
Teknopathetic
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"No they weren't, they're just right now. They were ridiculously overpowered before the nerf. Demomen are still extremely powerful and versatile, they're my favorite class at the moment."
How much did you play as demo pre-nerfing? Getting used to them after the fact is uh...
How much did you play as demo pre-nerfing? Getting used to them after the fact is uh...
rollingstart
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what were they like before they got changed? I only got in durring retail.
Teknopathetic
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Balanced.
The only change was that grenades used to detonate whenever they came into contact with someone. Whether that was before they bounced, rolled around on the ground, etc. etc. Now they only detonate on contact before the first bounce. Doesn't sound particularly huge, but in practice it's pretty massive.
The only change was that grenades used to detonate whenever they came into contact with someone. Whether that was before they bounced, rolled around on the ground, etc. etc. Now they only detonate on contact before the first bounce. Doesn't sound particularly huge, but in practice it's pretty massive.
CrookedRain
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I think they should have just made it so they stop exploding on contact after more than one bounce. It was pretty neat coming up with ricochet strategies. They should have at least increased the clip size after the nerf. Now I use stickies most of the time.
Blue Geezer
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meh demo is balanced for me i use the stickies a lot more but the pipe has a fantastic ability. they are the defensive class they were supposed to be.
PillowKnight
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I didn't play demo at all, that has little bearing on this though. If demos were truly weak I would've never picked them up, let alone being successful with them. Also, if demos were truly too weak , you'd see players shunning them in the same way pyros were treated early on.Teknopathetic said:
Then again, maybe you just got used to them pre-nerfing and have'nt learned to play them with this new style, one good strategy is to trap enemies between pipe bombs. Fact is, im having no trouble getting kills and being successful at playing demo , and this is likewise true for other players. Actually, I find myself often having a 2+ K : D ratio whenever I play demo, because of the pipe bomb's arc, which allows a demo to play offense while staying away from the line of fire. Not only that, but demos are by far the best option when it comes to destroying enemy sentries. They're also invaluable when it comes to defending a certain position, a sticky'd hallway/entrance/exit/ect with a bit of pipe bombs flowing through can hold back entire teams, even if only for a limited ammount of time. Thus, demos are as they should be, a powerful defensive class with good offensive capabilities. Pre-nerf they were closer to walking death machines.
Teknopathetic
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"I didn't play demo at all, that has little bearing on this though. If demos were truly weak I would've never picked them up, let alone being successful with them. Also, if demos were truly too weak , you'd see players shunning them in the same way pyros were treated early on."
Er, they kind of are, just like pyros were.
"Then again, maybe you just got used to them pre-nerfing and have'nt learned to play them with this new style, one good strategy is to trap enemies between pipe bombs. Fact is, im having no trouble getting kills and being successful at playing demo , and this is likewise true for other players. Actually, I find myself often having a 2+ K : D ratio whenever I play demo, because of the pipe bomb's arc, which allows a demo to play offense while staying away from the line of fire. Not only that, but demos are by far the best option when it comes to destroying enemy sentries."
This is not a strategy that was developed post-nerf, you know.
Er, they kind of are, just like pyros were.
"Then again, maybe you just got used to them pre-nerfing and have'nt learned to play them with this new style, one good strategy is to trap enemies between pipe bombs. Fact is, im having no trouble getting kills and being successful at playing demo , and this is likewise true for other players. Actually, I find myself often having a 2+ K : D ratio whenever I play demo, because of the pipe bomb's arc, which allows a demo to play offense while staying away from the line of fire. Not only that, but demos are by far the best option when it comes to destroying enemy sentries."
This is not a strategy that was developed post-nerf, you know.
Teknopathetic
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Fluke experience!
CrookedRain said:
StalkerU
evlcookie said:
I've switched to soldier in the last week and my Achilles is definitely sniper. I can't believe how often it's the smug, hipster doofus who's taunting me.
And it doesn't seem to matter if I'm in a group of four. It's like I'm growing green to this class. It's gotta be my highest percentage of death since I made the switch to soldier.
So I definitely feel you. It seems like everybody has a play style that makes them vulnerable to a certain class.
KimiSan said:
I noticed you a lot too, yesterday. I'm 12-1 against you
In fact, in one of the games we lost, I ran towards a Pyro after we lost just so you couldn't break your domination streak with a cheap kill
omgimaninja
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Demo's were NOT balanced during the beta. They were straight offense and such a pain because they could kill anything in one hit. Before being nerfed, I could uber a demo and he could run in and clear a whole room.
Now demo's can be offense, defense, or a little bit of both. Some stay back with stickies protecting the base, or you can creep up a bit with soldiers and heavy and place some well aimed grenades into rooms full of enemies.
Just like I am able to *barely* dodge soldier rockets, I'm glad I can run away from a demo grenade that is bouncing around. It wasn't fun before when they exploded on contact
Anyway, I think everybody should be forced to own a mic if you play on PC lol. It's so hard communicating with people w/out one.
ANDD I still love Lazytown it's just retarded, crazy fun!
Now demo's can be offense, defense, or a little bit of both. Some stay back with stickies protecting the base, or you can creep up a bit with soldiers and heavy and place some well aimed grenades into rooms full of enemies.
Just like I am able to *barely* dodge soldier rockets, I'm glad I can run away from a demo grenade that is bouncing around. It wasn't fun before when they exploded on contact
Anyway, I think everybody should be forced to own a mic if you play on PC lol. It's so hard communicating with people w/out one.
ANDD I still love Lazytown
it's just retarded, crazy fun!omgimaninja
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Let me guess:
2x pyro
2x sniper
2x spy
2x pyro
2x sniper
2x spy
omgimaninja
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Wow that's pretty strict. Heavy/Soldier/Medics FIGHT!
I've said this before, but I guess it's appropriate to say it again... I don't think the new demoman is really nerfed. However, I think taking away contact explosions after bounces was a little much. I would have halved the damage after each bounce, that way your still the monsterous killing power with direct arc shots, and you can still do skill bounces effectively. As it is now, bouncing grenades around corners only works when someone isn't paying attention at all. Trying to get a grenade to bounce, land, and stay near a turret is basically fruitless 99% of the time.
fallengorn
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Is this because we closed a full round of Hydro in less than 5 minutes? Scout rushes really only work if the server really isn't that full.
Bonesaw McGraw approves.Icy said:
The avantville map was buggy as hell, I kept spawning right in the enemy camp with 3-4 sentries. Icy got some good kills on me that way (you couldnt kill me any other way! ) .. Anyways, I had some good times, killing red snipers, destroying Icy's dispenser (more than twice), and some teleporters .. the rest of my team was stuck on the other side. If only they could push when I would zap the sentries ..
Oh and there was one guy (B-rad), he was either really fast or fishy. He was sniping all the time last night and he got me more than 5-6 times. Every time the death cam would show him standing behind wall(s) or in a completely diff. area .. any one else notice this while playing against him?
) .. Anyways, I had some good times, killing red snipers, destroying Icy's dispenser (more than twice), and some teleporters .. the rest of my team was stuck on the other side. If only they could push when I would zap the sentries .. Oh and there was one guy (B-rad), he was either really fast or fishy. He was sniping all the time last night and he got me more than 5-6 times. Every time the death cam would show him standing behind wall(s) or in a completely diff. area .. any one else notice this while playing against him?
irfan said:The avantville map was buggy as hell, I kept spawning right in the enemy camp with 3-4 sentries. Icy got some good kills on me that way (you couldnt kill me any other way!
Oh and there was one guy (B-rad), he was either really fast or fishy. He was sniping all the time last night and he got me more than 5-6 times. Every time the death cam would show him standing behind wall(s) or in a completely diff. area .. any one else notice this while playing against him?
that was me teleporting you as you spawned
and the death cam isn't the exact moment, It will sometimes show a few seconds after. Good snipers will snipe and run for cover to resetup.GrrIcy said:that was me teleporting you as you spawned
That explains the behind walls bit, by in a completely diff area? The map I am referring to is Granary and he was hs'ing me more than 1 cp away. Anyways, the death cam looked instantaneous to me or its acting weird and looking normal. :lol
Confidence Man
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Icy said:
I think he means during sudden death.
Thx for that teleport the other night btw.
irfan said:Grr
That explains the behind walls bit, by in a completely diff area? The map I am referring to is Granary and he was hs'ing me more than 1 cp away. Anyways, the death cam looked instantaneous to me or its acting weird and looking normal. :lol
PM the players name if you remember. I'll check logs.
Confidence Man said:I think he means during sudden death.
Thx for that teleport the other night btw.
Thats easy. @teleport asnd @slay. Works.
I'm trying to work with some server modders to see if there's a way to restrict classes or force a specific class for the sudden death. Like all scout rounds or something.
I don't mean to complain, since I think the game is exquisitely balanced as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if engineers received a bit of rethinking. In 2fort, an engineer + level 3 turret by the flag seems to always take three people from the other team to take down. And God help you if there are two or three of them holed up in there. I know that uber + heavy is always an option, but I can't think of any other instance for which that is the only counter.
Granted, I play a scout mostly, so this might just be the paper bitching about the scissors.
Granted, I play a scout mostly, so this might just be the paper bitching about the scissors.
I was in the top 5 with only 3 hours clocked in on the servers I leave for a couple of days and my brother discovers my favorites list joins the gaf games and destroys my k:d and drops me into the 30's :lol
I'll hopefully be back into the thick of it tonight and by the way I've changed my Steam ID name from Sharkie to TruLoki
I'll hopefully be back into the thick of it tonight and by the way I've changed my Steam ID name from Sharkie to TruLoki
Foreign Jackass
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I just bought the game. My online name is.. dickastley, I think (haven'T played it yet except yesterday night, and I don't remember).
I'll join later today.
I'll join later today.
Icy said:
Confidence Man nailed it - basically you get engineers hanging back, building sentries, and most of the time a sudden death round with serious engineers will go to stalemate.
May not happen as often on our servers, but I worry if it's capped at 2 spies against 4 engineers, since they're so directly opposed. It's not hard to fathom a team stacking all four L3 Sentries in one area (and dispensers for upgrades), and the spy population will be unable to break the barricade.
Icy said:
But isn't that the point of being an engineer?
I hate people who are afraid to die as much as anyone, but what's the point of an engineer if he's not allowed to attend to his sentry? His offensive firepower is limited. In the open, he's pretty much overwhelmed by every class.
I rarely play engineer and never play them in overtime, but a limit of two is a much better solution than teleporting them out of their fortress. That's the equivalent of stripping the primary weapon from any other class.
Now if you only had two engineers to begin with, a team couldn't build all their sentries at a back CP and have everyone loiter around it while the other team attacks cause they're bored and care more about having fun than losing. A limit of two sentries would solve the real issue. No more havens for the timid.
I'm not so sure I'm a fan of any limits, but if they're gonna be there, I think engineers should be with the rest of the non-offensive specialty classes... 2.
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