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Team Fortress 2 |OT4| Official Halo Thread of Polearms and High Fashion
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killthekampers
Neo Member
Anyone still on?
A new map pack would make me so happy. Those two maps plus a couple of community maps.
I wonder how Badlands would work as a Payload map though, maybe it would be payload race.
Some slick new jump maps coming out.
I'm all for having map voting beforehand for Janklander. Should cut down on the setup time considerably and let people download custom maps in advance. Maybe the page can generate "download the maps" links after voting's done? And some text on the rules (like first to 3 for this map, stopwatch mode for that, etc.)?
It's pretty clear that the current points system hasn't been ideal for balancing... so it'd be good to try player ratings by class instead just to see if the results are any better.
A vote "yea" for limiting Hightower to 1 round. I'm one of those crazies who enjoys the stalematey, DM-focused nature of the map... but I know that the non-fans in TF2-GAF feel very strongly in the opposite direction.
Especially awesome server admin technology-wielding bears!
I'm all for having map voting beforehand for Janklander. Should cut down on the setup time considerably and let people download custom maps in advance. Maybe the page can generate "download the maps" links after voting's done? And some text on the rules (like first to 3 for this map, stopwatch mode for that, etc.)?
It's pretty clear that the current points system hasn't been ideal for balancing... so it'd be good to try player ratings by class instead just to see if the results are any better.
A vote "yea" for limiting Hightower to 1 round. I'm one of those crazies who enjoys the stalematey, DM-focused nature of the map... but I know that the non-fans in TF2-GAF feel very strongly in the opposite direction.
Especially awesome server admin technology-wielding bears!
I have to disagree with you blizzard. Usually I hate Hightower, but the few times it ends up in an extended match, with balanced players I love it! It's very rare that we end up in a game that takes a heroic push or taking advantage of a teams momentary weakness to win.
Code:.Artistdude: nextmap PLR_HIGHTOWER PLR_HIGHTOWER PLR_HIGHTOWER
Yeah i fucked off because of that. I've had enough of Hightower for quite a while.
Looks like UGC is going to change borneo to a newer version (barring any huge bugs) that the map author made to address some complaints.
http://www.ugcleague.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99786#post99786
http://www.2shared.com/file/_B71PLnA/pl_borneo_ugc_b1.html
http://www.ugcleague.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99786#post99786
http://www.2shared.com/file/_B71PLnA/pl_borneo_ugc_b1.html
Of course you disagree, you like barnblitz of all things.
Or we could have a compromise, since you're a reasonable person. Give me 2fort matches with 1-engineer limits and you can have hightower every night.
Wendel Clark
Member
I like hightower. Fun to death match, and promotes jumping. I haven't voted for it in a while though. It's a lot better than steel. :|
nominate cp_meleebarn
nominate cp_meleebarn
SteveWinwood
Member
Steel is the best map ever made.
It's certainly one of my favorites. And there's actually a time limit! And if one team is stomping the other, it can end pretty quick.
Yeah, I enjoy Hightower as well. Its a good map for deathmatch and is designed in such a way it makes every class viable. It's got a mix of nice open areas for jumping and enclosed spaces for holding.
However, we do play it too much and two/three rounds is a bit much. I'd say stick to just one for the future.
Steel starts off pretty bad when you're just fighting on A, but as the map opens up and you gain more flank routes it becomes more enjoyable. It also depends on team composition and just knowing how to play the map, but that's the same with almost every map.
People usually just surge against the wall of spam when pushing A, but I think a split E rush is usually the best way to conquer A. Send an Engie with a level 3, a Demoman (preferably running Pain Train), and two scouts or so to E and the rest of your forces to A. A 6x cap rate with covering fire by the sentry and the Demo preveneting easy access to E and the window from A means they will need to end a large chunk of their team to E to stop, making it much easier to take over A. If red's build up on E not only should you have an easier time capping A anyways, but if they just have a lone Engie there his sentry can be easily destroyed by the Demoman.
Steel is great when people coordinate but pretty droll when people just stream in one by one.
Successfully capping E as your first point like that feels so good.
natethegreat409
Member
I haven't seen Jankyard pop up in awhile.
DJ Crimson
Banned
When's the last time the server had the Pac-Man map on? I'm a bit curious to how that plays out since I've never played on it.
The Power of Teamwork feat. Engineer and Pyro
Haha, I remember the days when we played Pacman every night. :U
Haha, I remember the days when we played Pacman every night. :U
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Why bother with the cart? Just have one giant arena death match. It's pretty much the same damn thing.
I don't mind it, but sheesh pure dm isn't fun when
Sentry in the middle will fuck things up.
Way too easy to defend incline.
People derping around instead of following objective. IMMA LOOK AT YOU CRAPPERMEN!
It's not a good map. It's a map where most people on GAF feel free to do whatever and have relatively little consequence.
Hope you like being hit by the sandman.
DJ Crimson
Banned
The ironic part is wrangled mini-sentry = instant stalemate breaker on Hightower
More like an instant stalemate maker.
Hightower would be much improved without Engineers. Without level threes they can't turtle the ramp room and without Minis they can't turtle the with the Wrangler and block every cap attempt.
I'm pretty sure there's a spy weapon that destroys sentries.
The easiest way to "Fix" hightower is to get people to actually go after the objective. I love Hightower and I don't mind playing it every night, but the fact that it plays well for every class is both its biggest strength and its biggest weakness. Since just going around killing shit is fun on that map, there's little incentive to actually push the cart or defend the cart. On top of that, you tend to get a lot more demoknights, cabermen and other silly builds because of it. It always ends up with like one person actually going for the objective and the other 11 dicking around.
There is only one way for a non jumping class to get atop the Hightower, which is very easy to spycheck by just spamming your shotgun down it. Or even just put a dispenser on the ramp.
The wrangler means it takes four stickies, pipes, or rockets to kill and three direct hit rockets or loch and load pipes to kill. As soon as one is destroyed, he can drop down another. He can regain some metal back from his destroyed sentry and after one kill can build another.
Complaining about stalemates but then advocating Engineer use to cause stalemates seem counterproductive.
There's a little window near the ramp that makes things easier for the Demo, you just need a little teamwork to destroy a sentry.
Not for the medic.
Professor Beef
Banned
GAF hates Medics.
Typical match of Hightower:
Everyone rushes over to the cart to push it and the enemy cart to stall it.
Both carts get to the ramp room.
There's an Engineer turtled up that no one want to deal with.
Everyone ignores and avoids the Engineer for ten minutes until someone gets bored and finally pushes.
Engineer runs over the Hightower to spam Minis and stall the enemy cart.
This goes on for ten more minutes until someone stickies the spawn doors so the Engineer can't drop another mini.
You can't play Engineer and complain about Hightower being stalematey because you ARE the zombies stalemate!
@Bauhus if the Engineer is smart he won't put the sentry in direct line of sight to the window and wrangle it so it can take six to eight direct stickies in a row to destroy.
@Bauhus if the Engineer is smart he won't put the sentry in direct line of sight to the window and wrangle it so it can take six to eight direct stickies in a row to destroy.
That's why you kill the engineer wrangling the gun first.
I've done it with wrangled mini-sentries on the ramp before when I have a Heavy or someone pushing the cart up as a meat shield.
speculawyer
Member
Fixed.
natethegreat409
Member
I don't think Quote is saying that engineers are unstoppable on the map, but they simply are the reason why we end up playing Hightower for so long.
I just say put a time limit on it.
I like your style.
Ewww. 2fort and hightower? That's a lose lose proposition. It's a shame 2fort and well suck so bad with tf2 classes. They were amazing on TFC. I really miss the rock map. Someone remade it but it just wasn't the same.
Here's another thing about Hightower, it's way too flipping free for the jumper classes. This means Medics have a hard time surviving. This means no ubers. This means it's almost impossible to push through a sentry nest in the map room unless a couple people work together to use one of the dearth of map positions that can be used to blow everything up, but they'll need to stick together and support each other for at least a handful of seconds in order to abuse that positioning.
So I go Mini-sentry Engineer or Pyro to counter the Scouts/Soldiers/Demos/Spies that would attack a Medic in the middle, trying to buy enough time for them to get an uber and speed the map along.
Unfortunately, GAF meta-game has evolved to the point where there are a number of players learning how to take out mini-sentries efficiently and with prejudice, while still playing the jumper classes, meaning that Medics are back to being scarce, and it's back to being just another DM map.
The more DM a map is, the less fun it is for Medics. The less Medics you have, the more annoying sentries are for you individually. Do you see what I'm trying to do here, for the good of the server?
So I go Mini-sentry Engineer or Pyro to counter the Scouts/Soldiers/Demos/Spies that would attack a Medic in the middle, trying to buy enough time for them to get an uber and speed the map along.
Unfortunately, GAF meta-game has evolved to the point where there are a number of players learning how to take out mini-sentries efficiently and with prejudice, while still playing the jumper classes, meaning that Medics are back to being scarce, and it's back to being just another DM map.
The more DM a map is, the less fun it is for Medics. The less Medics you have, the more annoying sentries are for you individually. Do you see what I'm trying to do here, for the good of the server?
Professor Beef
Banned
But Proven, that would mean people have to protect Medics on the map. And if they're protecting Medics, then they can't jump all over the place. Won't you please think of the jumpers?
Also, thank you, thefro. I've spent the last three days either sleeping or watching The Dark Knight, catching up after the GW2 binge. I'm guessing it's too late to set up for the intra-team practice game now.
That's a good video, and those were horrible days.
Exactly. Engineers slow down the pace of the map, which is what makes it take so long. Obviously we eventually push through, as there is no time limit and we don't play Hightower for days.
We could try a time limit, but expect stalemates (you're all losers!) if no one still wants to deal with a wrangled nest and have fun dming instead. :U
That smells like an excuse to me. :U
If you really want to help Medics, go Demoman and charge uber in spawn if you can't build outside. Then walk over to the nest and m1 + m2 it. Level 3s aren't as big an issue as Minis on the Hightower preventing caps and grounding jumpers.
Instead, you're slowing down the pace of the game as Engineer by forcing people to stop and deal with your infinite supply of Minis before they try and push.
your avatar is getting weirder
Don't think you've seen my new spray yet, have you?
So, nastynate pushed me into trying to make today work. Unfortunately, today didn't work still. Sorry everyone, and thanks for coming out.
Now, let's all watch Accidante play the Binding of Issac.
www.twitch.tv/dante369
Now, let's all watch Accidante play the Binding of Issac.
www.twitch.tv/dante369