SteveWinwood
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you know the orig weapons are pretty much universally better right
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you know the orig weapons are pretty much universally better right
I was never confused by it. These are full length comics, which usually come out at a pace of one a month. The artist who does these comics doesn't even work for Valve, I doubt these comics are their only job/work. Expecting them to release the comics twice as fast as people who do it for a living is pretty unrealistic.
Not against Superspeed Demomen and 2 shot rockets.
little miss gogo
Member
airblast them losers into the sky and shotgun
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Also Valve time.
SteveWinwood
Member
sword demomen suck
Rickenslacker
Banned
Fully stock Demoman is one of the most powerful classes (if not THE most powerful) in the game. Demoknighting is largely a gimmick.
Don't know what you mean by 2 shot rockets as the stock RL 2 shots most things. Direct Hit? Stock is far more versatile overall.
Airblasting and shotguns are stock features of the Pyro.
Shadow Hog
Member
Same. "I thought it was going to come out bimonthly, and it turns out I was right. CONFUSION!"
little miss gogo
Member
you silly billy as apples said those are the vanilla weapons.
The Artful Dodger
Member
You can still kill them. Become a better player.
Also universally, stock items are generally better.
The only time stock gets beat is with the pyro degreaser/axtinguisher combo, but that does less damage than stock flamethrower.
Weapons that are pragmatically better than stock (assuming no random crits):
Scout:
Atomizer
Wrap Assassin
Soldier:
Market Gardener
Pyro:
Axstinguisher
Third Degree
Heavy:
KGB
GRU
Engineer:
Widowmaker
Jag
Medic:
Ubersaw
Amputator
Solemn Vow
Spy:
Big Kill*
Sharp Dresser*
Enthusiast's Timepiece*
*
Notice how, with the exception of the Widowmaker, they're all melee weapons. It's because melee weapons aren't terrible useful to begin with for most classes, so it's a good place to throw interesting utility items.
Scout:
Atomizer
Wrap Assassin
Soldier:
Market Gardener
Pyro:
Axstinguisher
Third Degree
Heavy:
KGB
GRU
Engineer:
Widowmaker
Jag
Medic:
Ubersaw
Amputator
Solemn Vow
Spy:
Big Kill*
Sharp Dresser*
Enthusiast's Timepiece*
*
Style always wins
Notice how, with the exception of the Widowmaker, they're all melee weapons. It's because melee weapons aren't terrible useful to begin with for most classes, so it's a good place to throw interesting utility items.
Collete
Member
I usually have spare class update items, you can ask me if you want any.
Fixed your list a little.
SteveWinwood
Member
Postal Pummeler > Axetingusher
The Artful Dodger
Member
Agreed.
Collete
Member
Postal Plummer <<<<< Festive Axstinguisher.
Fixed.
I'm on a fixing roll today.
It's more shiny!
little miss gogo
Member
degreaser/axtinguisher is sorta useless against other pyros and players smart enough to pick you off from a distance tho.
vanilla weps be gud stuff excluding a lot of the default melee but besides that you oughta be good to go, son
vanilla weps be gud stuff excluding a lot of the default melee but besides that you oughta be good to go, son
Shadow Hog
Member
Degreaser's something of a straight upgrade even still, though. Besides, it's situations like this that I keep my shotgun around for.
Collete
Member
You gotta kinda improvise with other pyros in that situation.
Strafing and juggling usually help get rid of most pyros.
As for other players that are like X amount of feet away either:
A) Know how to aim your flare or detonator well. (If you have a shotgun, just shoot away.)
B) Know where the health is around you and retreat when appropriate.
or C) Stealth flank them from behind.
I believe that degreaser/axstinguisher reminds me of a spy in some sense because the point of utilizing the combination is to use stealth and swiftness to your advantage and to make flanking another team more efficient if done right.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
The Degreaser does the least damage and is only meant to kill one person at a time. There's no point to be running around flanking with it because it does that worse than any other flamethrower.
If you're both at shotgun range than there's no difference, because the Degreaser only has an advantage when it can airblast.
If you're both at shotgun range than there's no difference, because the Degreaser only has an advantage when it can airblast.
Collete
Member
The point of it being "worst" is to get that speed attribute to switch to your axe and kill your target after lighting them on fire more quickly.
Spies can only kill one person at a time as well but you can still get a chain of kills.
Same is kind of said with degreaser if you got the area lit up, you can just melee away, preferably from behind but also in front of if it comes down to it.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
The quickswitch does much more than cheesy axe kills. That's far from the point of the weapon, and people who rely on it are going to have a lot of trouble against scoots and people who can aim in the air.
Spies don't generally get more than 2 kills in a row anymore unless the other team is stupid, and he can get into a place where he can get kills that actually matter. A pyro is always going to be noticed and still takes longer to kill someone even with the lame axe combo, so again, comes down to how stupid the other team is. Pyro shouldn't just light people on fire and start swinging an axe because then it'll just get killed right away by any team who isn't garbage.
Spies don't generally get more than 2 kills in a row anymore unless the other team is stupid, and he can get into a place where he can get kills that actually matter. A pyro is always going to be noticed and still takes longer to kill someone even with the lame axe combo, so again, comes down to how stupid the other team is. Pyro shouldn't just light people on fire and start swinging an axe because then it'll just get killed right away by any team who isn't garbage.
Collete
Member
Picking off scouts and other players will usually rely on your secondary weapon at the time or depending how close they are to you. It's not exactly advisable to chase a scout with an axstinguisher for obvious reasons.
I know the quickswitch can also help get to your secondary weapon faster as well. It's efficient in juggling and in need of a quick weapon change.
You kind of have to rely on your secondary weapon as well if a situation gets tricky so in a sense it all depends how your load out is really. It's not 100% relying on the axstinguisher/degreaser.
I know of spies that get more than 2 kills in a row, doesn't really mean the other team is stupid.
It just means they took the element of surprise to their advantage combined with other techniques like strafing or air stabbing from behind.
When you do try to light people on fire and melee, you have to use your best judgment.
I'm not saying someone should do that on a row of heavies because even I know that's suicide.
Also pyros aren't always noticeable when they flank and catch you off guard. There were many cases even I got combo'ed by a flanking pyro that seemed to come out of nowhere.
Just like spies use their judgment to go for a kill or not, it's basically the same with pyros.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Strafing and tricky stab stuff is only viable in specific situations and assuming the other players aren't paying attention. It's not going to get a spy out of most situations or somehow let him kill 5 people, because it only even works within melee range.
Pyros can't turn invisible, so they obviously can't do what spies do as far as getting through crowded areas or anywhere with a sentry. They're actually the worst class for flanking because their only special movement property is the Detonator, and they can't do nearly the damage of heavy. The only situation where a Degreaser pyro would be more handy than a flamethrower pyro, where it's trying to kill one specific player, most other classes would already be better at doing so.
Pyros can't turn invisible, so they obviously can't do what spies do as far as getting through crowded areas or anywhere with a sentry. They're actually the worst class for flanking because their only special movement property is the Detonator, and they can't do nearly the damage of heavy. The only situation where a Degreaser pyro would be more handy than a flamethrower pyro, where it's trying to kill one specific player, most other classes would already be better at doing so.
Then I must be missing something here because I only have a flamethrower and no "airblast?"
Which reminds me of that stupid flaregun being able to set you on fire for longer distances than a Pyro normally can. :/
Airblast is right click on every flamethrower other than the Phlogistonator.
No wonder I didn't know that:
It's not in the 360 version and I'm coming from that with console knowledge.
Right click to airblast with the flamethrower. You can juggle opponents, knock them back, and put out teammates on fire.
Landing a shot with the flare gun is pretty challenging if the opponent is strafing or fat enough away.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Look at these dudes, actually talking about the game and it's various mechanics
DJ Crimson
Banned
The new server needs to have a random day where the settings are the same as the 360/PS3's version. Why? Because I'm twisted.
SteveWinwood
Member
This all must be so amazingly overwhelming :O
I play Superspeed Demoman with (half) a 360 controller, so you'll feel right at home!
This is one of the best "Run of the Week"s I've ever seen. Anyone who has even been on this map knows how perfect some of the jumps require you to be. This person does it so smooth and creatively, its a really enjoyable watch.
Also flawless runs are always fun to watch.
ROTW 44
Amazing run, so smooth as you said. :O
This week's Jump of the Week is pretty insane too. Cannonknights unite. <3
"what in the" - torii
2Fort2Furious. Right at 'cha.
Contact Valve's support. Do you know what is missing?
IIRC they'll "recreate" your missing items.
Dreams-Visions
Member
hai gais
I contacted them, I know a few keys are missing and some hats, but the only one I remember being missing is the B.M.O.C.
DJ Crimson
Banned
Check your Item Inventory History. Should be on the Inventory page in the Steam client. Maybe someone logged on your account and traded it to another user.
just a jubilant jump on jump_jurf
I can almost do a full run of this map, using a variety of techniques and Demoknight armaments. :O
I can almost do a full run of this map, using a variety of techniques and Demoknight armaments. :O
Oh my god, I never knew about this, thank you so much!!!!!!!!! I now have a list of all that is missing!
The Artful Dodger
Member
I actually like it. Too many people on pub servers nowadays sticky jump to spawn over everyone and just camp with a lochNLoad or Caber the medic then and there. It's an exploit that needed to go away.
ArtistDude88
Member
I could handle 3. But only 2?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY LIFE IS RUINED!
Cloudius12
Member
2 should be enough to do the same thing, but RIP l33t strats.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
so glad the sticky jumper was nerfed, now if only they would add some more invisible barriers to the skybox in badwater that map wouldn't be a huge pile of shit.