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TEKKEN 7 |OT| How I killed your mother
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DoubleTake
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So I'm coming from Street Fighter and I'm finding it super overwhelming. My movement in general feels super wonky. I think that's my main problem. I'm just not moving around how I want to and it's incredibly frustrating.
This is how I visualize the playing field. someone can correct me if it's wrong. The field is more or less a vertical 2D plane that is parallel to the TV screen. The same plane from any 2D fighter actually. This invisible plane cuts through the 2 characters. On this plane I can think of the game as a sort of regular 2D fighter with back to block, down to crouch, up to jump, backdashing, etc. Now being a 3D fighter, this 2D plane CAN ROTATE about the center of both characters with side stepping/walking and certain fighting moves. After rotating whatever degrees to the right or left, this becomes the new 2D fighting plane until it is rotated again.
All this to just say that this is wildly different than soul Calibur 8 way run which I guess I'd consider to be a "full" 3D fighter. Not better or worse. Just in the sense that movement isn't restricted at all when it comes to rotating the vertical 2D plane in soul Calibur.
So my question is, if I'm starting out, am I wrong or how messed up will I be with learning the game if I think of Tekken as a "mostly" 2D fighter? Is this how I'm supposed to think of it? How far can I get if ignore side stepping for now? I guess it'd also depend on the character right? I'd imagine some characters are better or have really good moves that rotate the plane.
Another thing I'm realizing is that the moves aren't as dial-in as I thought they would be. There's some strict timing involved for those 10 hit combos.
tl;dr: I am bad but I'll keep at it for now.
You are more or less right about the 2d/3d distinction. Starting out dont worry too much about sidestepping attacks. Use it more to reposition yourself in the playing field. Backdashing is more important.
Tip: You can cancel sidesteps/backdashes with moves or different movement directions. You can speed up your backdash by inputting db after each backdash. This is a bit more high level stuff to do consistently but it helps to know if you feel movement is a bit clunky.
Also dont use the 10 hit combos. Theyre generally unsafe if blocked and arent worth the effort really. Better to focus on safe pokes and the launcher sample combos.
MrCookiepants
Member
They said it was gonna be guest characters and a new mode, what in the hell were ya'll expecting?
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Thanks for the help!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Velurian
Member
Same. PC matches were really fast to find and online worked wonderfully.
FeenixRising
Banned
In case it gets buried, I made a thread to share Jukebox recs.
As someone who has no fondness for KOF, yes.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I'm playing fine on PS4. I've been connecting constantly to players. You might be exaggerating there.
you want me to pay 25 dollars for tekken bowl, and two guest charactesr that are probably gonna be useless/boring. lol.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Lots of people are reporting those issues on PS4, it differs from player to player, some are experiencing almost no issues. Same with PC but to a lesser extent.
Please tell me how, i can't seem to connect to anyone at all.
MrCookiepants
Member
I'm saying we knew the content weeks ago and you're acting surprised. But any excuse to be negative from the usual suspects I guess.
Same, I only played online against a friend in a private match.
Regular ranked or player matches always result in connection lost before the game even started. Also, I get kicked by the host in every tournament I join.
The Fatal Englishman
Member
So I'm coming from Street Fighter and I'm finding it super overwhelming. My movement in general feels super wonky. I think that's my main problem. I'm just not moving around how I want to and it's incredibly frustrating.
This is how I visualize the playing field. someone can correct me if it's wrong. The field is more or less a vertical 2D plane that is parallel to the TV screen. The same plane from any 2D fighter actually. This invisible plane cuts through the 2 characters. On this plane I can think of the game as a sort of regular 2D fighter with back to block, down to crouch, up to jump, backdashing, etc. Now being a 3D fighter, this 2D plane CAN ROTATE about the center of both characters with side stepping/walking and certain fighting moves. After rotating whatever degrees to the right or left, this becomes the new 2D fighting plane until it is rotated again.
All this to just say that this is wildly different than soul Calibur 8 way run which I guess I'd consider to be a "full" 3D fighter. Not better or worse. Just in the sense that movement isn't restricted at all when it comes to rotating the vertical 2D plane in soul Calibur.
So my question is, if I'm starting out, am I wrong or how messed up will I be with learning the game if I think of Tekken as a "mostly" 2D fighter? Is this how I'm supposed to think of it? How far can I get if ignore side stepping for now? I guess it'd also depend on the character right? I'd imagine some characters are better or have really good moves that rotate the plane.
Another thing I'm realizing is that the moves aren't as dial-in as I thought they would be. There's some strict timing involved for those 10 hit combos.
tl;dr: I am bad but I'll keep at it for now.
More or less, this is not a bad way to think about it - with a few caveats. The first is that moves in Tekken have tracking. What this means in practice is that they don't always function in a linear manner on a 2D plane and can instead hit you when you sidestep to one or both sides. Part of the knowledge requirement in Tekken is understanding which moves will track to which side (and, hence, you should sidestep in the opposite direction to make them whiff). Furthermore, some characters are very linear and thus susceptible to sidestepping while others have fantastic tracking.
There are, in fact, top tier players who barely sidestep at all and rely almost entirely on backwards and forwards movement. However, they are able to do this because they are very proficient when it comes to Tekken's particular brand of esoteric movement mechanics. In Tekken, simply tapping backwards or forwards, or walking, is extremely slow. On the other hand, you are able to cancel out of forward and backdashes by inputting either a crouch (d/b) or a sidestep. Proper movement in Tekken involves rapidly canceling from a backdash to a crouch to another backdash, etc (inputted as b, b, d/b, N, b, d/b, N). When executed properly, you not only move about 3 times as fast as a normal backdash but you are also blocking throughout the entire animation.
Also, ignore 10 hit combos. They are simply an odd legacy feature still included in the movelists for some reason. They aren't actually real combos and can be blocked, parried or even launched by better players. If you want to know whether your inputs are actually a combo, set the training dummy's first action to 'stand' and the second action to 'guard all' and watch to see if they block your string.
Question about Treasure Battle Mode. Does your rank effect the difficulty of the opponents? Even when you have to start over after losing a match?
I swear they are getting harder and I'm getting bodied more often.
Also, this special match stuff is annoying, had hoped they left that cheap boss AI in story mode, ran into the last boss earlier and Akuma is a bitch.
I swear they are getting harder and I'm getting bodied more often.
Also, this special match stuff is annoying, had hoped they left that cheap boss AI in story mode, ran into the last boss earlier and Akuma is a bitch.
i don't think so.
lucebuce12
Member
Online on PS4 is indeed fucked right now. Even if I get matches, they de-sync like a minute into the match.
It's not my connection, other games work perfectly online.
It's not my connection, other games work perfectly online.
The Fatal Englishman
Member
There isn't much point as far as I can tell but they probably put it in for two reasons:
a) It's a carry-over from the arcade version.
b) People lost their shit over the lack of an arcade mode in SF5. It's a pretty low bar to reach to hold something over one of the other major competitive fighters on the market.
eyeball_kid
Member
Finally beat Akuma's Special Chapter. So much fromage. Then I went online, waited forever for a match to not disconnect, and when I did I got matched with an Akuma player. Fuck that dude. I can't stand playing against him.
I also got matched with another person who supposedly had 4 bars, but was pretty much 1 second lag. Unplayable.
On the plus side, after spending three hours in practice tonight I finally got the hang of doing juggles with Xiaoyu. In all my Tekken years I've never really done much more with juggles than a couple hits after the launcher, but I figured I had to force myself to learn them if I wanted to be at all competitive at a higher level.
I also got matched with another person who supposedly had 4 bars, but was pretty much 1 second lag. Unplayable.
On the plus side, after spending three hours in practice tonight I finally got the hang of doing juggles with Xiaoyu. In all my Tekken years I've never really done much more with juggles than a couple hits after the launcher, but I figured I had to force myself to learn them if I wanted to be at all competitive at a higher level.
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Shadow Ranger
Member
bait his overhead chop and block it and rising 1,2 it. At mid distance bait him to do three Shakunetsus and sidestep them. If you're close enough do (e)wgf or if slightly further the flying kick. Try not to be in sweeping range because he either sweeps or does jumping kick to ex BS. If he does sweep and you're at a little distance just rising 4,4 him. Don't bother sidestepping his super if you're not comfortable with the timing. If he does the two standing punches I just blocked and prayed he didn't do low or high shenanigans. Better to block if he has super as he had a knack for throwing that out regularly after that attack. Anyway, if you're pro then you'll have a better time with movement and consistency.
Worst case air laser spam but it takes ages and will take a few retries as well. Depends if the AI wants you to hit him ha!
Worst case air laser spam but it takes ages and will take a few retries as well. Depends if the AI wants you to hit him ha!
mamoniadas
Member
just practice it slow 2 at a time. and then 3. eventually u can do em faster and start chaining them back and forward and just moving around. really 1-2 is all you need to make something whiff. all the other ones are mobility. put a lil time into learning them/warming up as you do your combos. that shit really adds up. tekken is so rewarding as theres so many aspects you slowly work at improving and its really satisfying to look back at the progress you've made but also knowing theres so much more to learn/utilize.
Thanks, but yeah I'm not that comfortable with
Kazuya.
air laser spam
heals
Marvel
could never
lucebuce12
Member
Unless you also play versus against people, not really.
I'd recommend waiting for a deal before jumping in.
The whole DLC situation kinda reminds me of The Sims 4. Of course they wouldn't put fucking everything in from the get go, they surely gonna milk that mula.
The game is great though, played some VS with my bro and his wife this weekend. Finied the Story mode as well. Looks like I'm stuck with my coldblooded sweetheart Nina as my main again.
The game is great though, played some VS with my bro and his wife this weekend. Finied the Story mode as well. Looks like I'm stuck with my coldblooded sweetheart Nina as my main again.
Does anyone actually know how ranked works?
To be honest, I've lost a bunch of stuff, but somehow manage to still promote to Expert for some reason even though all I've been doing is frauding it out.
(actually, for now, I'm just gonna assume that the actual good players are still climbing and will eventually be out of the area that I'm in once they've played enough)
How about unlockable stuffs?
plasmawave
Banned
You'll be just unlocking customization options for characters. If you enjoy playing dress up in games you'll enjoy it.
Thanks, but yeah I'm not that comfortable withTheKazuya.seems to work sometimes I guess, but yeah heair laser spamtoo on top of everything else. I actually got him almost down 2-3 times now (out of more than a dozen tries) but he just uses his rage art and finishes me off at that point. Frustration levels are rising.heals
Got 'em! Finally. Hardest single player tekken fight ever.
Akiyama_AE
Member
What's bullshit isThanks, but yeah I'm not that comfortable withTheKazuya.seems to work sometimes I guess, but yeah heair laser spamtoo on top of everything else. I actually got him almost down 2-3 times now (out of more than a dozen tries) but he just uses his rage art and finishes me off at that point. Frustration levels are rising.heals
his rage art kills you even at full health
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This Battle Top for Josie is just perfect:
lucebuce12
Member
" I'm Here Now 7's remix" is so damn fitting for the Arena stage!
Can you completely automate this somehow?
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