Then definitely get it replaced.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Then definitely get it replaced.
MomoPufflet
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I saw people in this thread mention watching 3D movies on VR headsets. Does that mean, for example, you can rip an Avatar 3D BluRay and watch it on your goggles in actual 3D with all the intended depth, or are we talking like specific VR-made 3D content only?
Theonik
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In theory, you can do this, I think applications exist for this on PC PSVR is more of a challenge. Sony had a few HMDs in the early '10s for this purpose when 3D was a thing. Simulated 300" 3D display with dual 720p OLED panels iirc, optic design is very different for that though.
Beer Monkey
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Bias lighting is obviously not needed for black level perception with my 2008 Kuro, but it does wonders for eyestrain caused by changes in scene brightness. D65K, of course. I will do the same when I get my OLED set. If I had a 75" screen that took up most of my field of view that might be a different situation.
TheGuardian
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Good to know. Thank you.
grfunkulus
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Have you not experienced an oled yet? I have a black level lowered 9.5 kuro with sub .0004 FtLb blacks and in a pitch black environment, even those could use bias lighting to remove glow.
Oled is truly the first display tech that only benefits from bias lighting in regard to eye strain.
I hate to say this but the b6 picture when watching dish network looks like dog shit. Digital noise all over the place. My LED looked 100 times better. Tons of blocky digital noise everywhere. I've been fucking with the settings for hours.....
Netflix and games and 4K content look amazing. How can there be such a huge difference? I'm not expecting it to look 4K but I sure thought it would beat my LED. Wtf
Netflix and games and 4K content look amazing. How can there be such a huge difference? I'm not expecting it to look 4K but I sure thought it would beat my LED. Wtf
grfunkulus
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Garbage input = garbage output
Applied to kuros more than other plasmas and applies more with oleds than any display yet. Some will say it's bad lg processing but I'm going to laugh my way to the bank (my 1080p 9100 that I've been enjoying for more than a year was <$1,000) when the Sony oleds turn in similar results with cable/dish for far, far more cash.
So which device has Youtube HDR? I'm sure the PS4 Pro version doesn't.
I mean is the Chromecast 4K the only one? or do other TV manufactures like Sony/Samsung have them?
Also now that Sony has done away with the horrible Live Events viewer.... they said you'd have to go to the Video section of the PlayStation Store and pick the Live Event from there and watch it or something.
since Sony has specific 4K apps for live events of the UFC on their TV OS Stores, does anyone think we might get that option from the PlayStation Video Live Events?
You would think they would push 4K Video every which way possible.
There should be 4K channel on PlayStation Vue for live events and movies, like Direct TV has for their Satellite Service.
since Sony has specific 4K apps for live events of the UFC on their TV OS Stores, does anyone think we might get that option from the PlayStation Video Live Events?
You would think they would push 4K Video every which way possible.
There should be 4K channel on PlayStation Vue for live events and movies, like Direct TV has for their Satellite Service.
Chromecast 4K and Samsung SUHD TVs are the only ones right now I believe.
I just ordered a B6, woohoo! My receiver doesn't support HDCP 2.2, but has anyone tried one of those HDCP 2.2 to 1.4 converters? I'm wondering if I can just put one between my Pro and the receiver.
This one is only $30, much cheaper than a new receiver! https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15242
This one is only $30, much cheaper than a new receiver! https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15242
holygeesus
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Sony are going to sprinkle their new OLEDs with fairy dust, which will make them able to produce all the fine detail that OLED is renowned for, and hide the bad stuff. you wait and see!
Not sure if it's been posted yet, but RTINGS put up a viewing angle article: http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/viewing-angle
I wouldn't do that. You will not get HDR support though an interface like that. You'll have to connect the pro directly to the TV to get 4k HDR or you'll need to upgrade your receiver that supports 4K HDR pass-through.
For those that are sitting on the fence between 2016 OLED and the upcoming 2017 OLED from LG, CNET has a good article breaking down the differences, when to buy a 2016 model and prices: https://www.cnet.com/news/should-i-buy-an-oled-tv-now-or-wait-for-2017-models/
There is also some initial price speculation to start for 2017.
There is also some initial price speculation to start for 2017.
Thanks for posting!
DagnastyEp
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Nice to see a breakdown like this. I've always really liked David Katzmaier's analysis. I think at this point, since I'm not in need of a new TV, I'm going to wait for the B7 or C7, but damn it's going to be a tough wait. He speculates on May/June for B7, I was hoping to have it in time to play Mass Effect: Andromeda on it (since the game supports HDR).
If you're going to wait on buying a 2017 model, I would wait to purchase one until October/November of this year. There were huge sales in 2016 around those times for 2016 models, I would expect a similar trend. If you buy at May/June you'll probably pay quite a bit more.
Futurevoid
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MPEG Noise Reduction and Noise Reduction in general can help in this regard. These options have come a long way since back in the day when the purists scoffed at turning on any level of picture enhancement but realistically your dealing with highly compressed feeds here. Give them a try.
...but yes as noted. Garbage in = garbage out.
I think you're definitely right about this -- looks like HDR is something the converters can't support. And with all the handshaking issues I've been reading about, it seems like a converter may just cause more troubles. I can't believe I'm about to drop hundreds of dollars on a new receiver because of a bullshit DRM scheme...
holygeesus
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I have to say a lot of that is just pure guess-work and plain common sense.
What did you upgrade from? I went from a 42" turd of a plasma TV to a 65" E6. It was glorious.
A 46" Samsung (LN46A650) that I bought in 2008 - it was actually a fairly decent TV for the time. But my god, even when knowing pretty much what to expect, the difference is staggering.
KaoticBlaze
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haha thats how I felt when i got my 55" C6 last month. Sometimes I still catch myself saying "holy crap" when I'm watching 4k content.
Funny enough I also had upgraded from a 46" Samsung
holygeesus
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For PC VR, yes. You have free social VR apps that place you in an environment you choose (penthouse, woods, man cave etc) and you simply select your 3D movie to play either on the projector for everyone who's in that party to view, or only on your personal floating window (which is adjustable in size and placement in every way possible)
The effect is literally like how it is in real life.
RadarScope1
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What are some thoughts here about mounting TVs above fireplaces? Conventional wisdom (and any quick Google search) will tell you not to do it. However, I'm still hoping to do this once I get a larger OLED later in the year. One consideration is that I have a gas fireplace. So while heat is an issue, soot or smoke is not. I tend not to run the fireplace for hours at a time, the way you have to with a real wood-burner. It's always on the lowest flame setting but does generate a fair amount of heat.
I also plan to remove the mantle I have now and mount a new one that is deeper (thus deflecting the rising heat around the TV a bit more) and lower (for a better viewing angle). I've had a 46" plasma on a stand at eye level for 8 years now, and I really love having it at that level. However, in order to get a bigger size that I want (aiming for 65") the only other real option is above the fireplace. Currently the smaller TV is off to the side of the fireplace and the TV takes up nearly all the space between the fireplace and the corner of the room - no way to fit a 65er there. (I'll try to post pics later).
tl;dr -- OLEDs above a gas fireplace? Major bad? OK?
I also plan to remove the mantle I have now and mount a new one that is deeper (thus deflecting the rising heat around the TV a bit more) and lower (for a better viewing angle). I've had a 46" plasma on a stand at eye level for 8 years now, and I really love having it at that level. However, in order to get a bigger size that I want (aiming for 65") the only other real option is above the fireplace. Currently the smaller TV is off to the side of the fireplace and the TV takes up nearly all the space between the fireplace and the corner of the room - no way to fit a 65er there. (I'll try to post pics later).
tl;dr -- OLEDs above a gas fireplace? Major bad? OK?
Dave_6
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I know I've posted this a 100 times already, but my current TV is a 60" Pioneer Kuro plasma that I've had since 2008. I'm VERY close to pulling the trigger on a 65" B6. If I do I hope it blows me away the same way it has you all!
I know I've posted this a 100 times already, but my current TV is a 60" Pioneer Kuro plasma that I've had since 2008. I'm VERY close to pulling the trigger on a 65" B6. If I do I hope it blows me away the same way it has you all!
I've seen a lot of Kuro owners upgrade to the OLEDs and felt very satisfied.
holygeesus
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Insane Metal
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lol
I will be doing this when we move into the new house (with my plasma until I get an oled next year). The main reason is because it's a new house that was pretty much designed to have the tv above the fireplace.
As you mentioned, gas fireplaces aren't nearly as hot. Do yourself a favor and tape a thermometer to the wall where the tv will go. If it gets over 100 degrees Fahrenheit consistently, don't hang a tv or replace the mantle first.
RadarScope1
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I should put the thermometer on top of the mantle, out of the direct heat, where the TV will be, right? I'm guessing it easily gets over 100 on the front of the mantle.
Just watched The Martian on my 55XD9305. Looked great and the black bars were as dark as the bezel (2.35:1). There were some moments where there were really bright spots on the edge of the frame but the bars stayed dark (no haloes). It got me wondering about the local dimming configuration. According to reviews, it has 32 discrete dimmable zones. Do you think they would have designed it so that the zones naturally fall on 2.35:1 boundaries?
Overall I'm really happy with this set even though it only has limited local dimming. Blacks are still great for my use (usually watching in a lit room, and have some gentle bias lighting)
Overall I'm really happy with this set even though it only has limited local dimming. Blacks are still great for my use (usually watching in a lit room, and have some gentle bias lighting)
I had a TV above the fireplace and changed it out after a couple of years. It was just too high up for comfortable viewing. Ideally you want your natural eye level to be I think 1/3 from the top of the TV image - anyway much lower than anything above a fireplace. I'm sure it's workable, but it isn't ideal.
So after the suggestions here, I stopped using bias lighting on my OLED.
WOW. In dark scenes, it looks like some voodoo magic where the borders of the tv disappear and you only see parts of the picture floating in midair. Definitely a cool party trick. I just had to lower the OLED light setting in some SDR content to avoid eyestrain. It's perfect otherwise.
WOW. In dark scenes, it looks like some voodoo magic where the borders of the tv disappear and you only see parts of the picture floating in midair. Definitely a cool party trick. I just had to lower the OLED light setting in some SDR content to avoid eyestrain. It's perfect otherwise.
Now you understand my child.
There you go.
On my E6 though, with OLED Light at 100 I don't get any eyestrain. The panel doesn't get all that bright tbh. I guess the B6 is noticeably brighter.
RadarScope1
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Definitely not ideal. Just feel like I don't have any other options for a really large TV.
Personally, if ABL was ever an issue, the 2017 LG OLEDs is a must-have over the 2016 models if the lower end models are closer to $2000-2500.