Herr Schwarz
Banned
Yeah think about them Londoners during the blitz of 1940s!
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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Yeah think about them Londoners during the blitz of 1940s!
THis pretty much what Sam Harris read aloud from the publication I mentioned earlier. There are all sorts of different contexts and ideas through which we understand the world. We apply our thinking to other people's actions, which is how we try to understand them.
But, I heard a quote recently, which apparenlty is from Maya Angelou: "When people show you who they are, believe them".
Toilet paper.
Ether_Snake
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There is no such thing as a "civilian" in wahhabism, or any religions really.
Bobnob
Member
Good for you pal, me personally am worried about letting my child travel to london or any city on a school trip for eg.
Not knowing the threats the randomness of it is disturbing.
Imp the Dimp
Member
hell no
They are fucking awful.
PingPongvonLaserstein
Member
What does that have to do with calling for suspect torture? Do you speak for them?
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Reporting that the victims were fighting back using pint glasses and chairs, fucking hell.
Stead Fast
Banned
Urgh, not really, nor is linking it allowed as far as I know, anyway - even with a very personal vendetta aside I'd wait to see how other news outlets report this before resorting to them.
You're wrong. Regressive leftists do not say they love ISIS. Regressive leftists defend elements of society that actively seek the destruction of Western civilization. An example would be the accolades directed toward Manchester's 'modern, moderate' Didsbury mosque by regressive leftists, which, it turns out, was 'unofficially' distributing pamphlets that roundly denounced Western ethics and integration into British society by immigrant Muslims. The modern, moderate Muslim mosque was actually prepping the soil for the seeds of radical Saudi Wahhabism, which was the ideology of the Manchester bomber.
Regressive leftists are not inherently evil -- they are actually just so stupid and so brainwashed by their own ideology that they believe that defending fundamentalist Muslims (hijabs, long beards, pants above the ankle) is an aspect of multiculturalism and therefore must be upheld at all costs. It's ultimately a self-correcting problem. Their granddaughters will either be wearing the veil, living under the rule of sheikhs and emirs, or they will emigrate to the United States, Australia, and New Zealand.
The Sun and The Times offices are right there no? 1 London Bridge Street or something?
then they are litterally insane and empty of empathy. Nuke them all till they glow. Sick of this shit. Those poor people
They want people to become desensitized to attacks like this so that it is downplayed and/or interpreted in the same way accidents are. Even London's mayor has said something along the lines of terrorism is part and parcel of living in a city. I think it does affect people and you end up really seeing its true effect reflected in voting trends and attitudes towards Muslims and Islam. If these kinds of currently rare attacks become a regular feature of London life, it will only become harder for a normal person to find comfort in the old familiar death by car accidents, bee stings, etc. comparisions.
Police now infoming people to run, hide and tell in an event of a terror attack. As a Londoner I don't think it is irrational to be worried about what is going on despite how "rare" terror attacks may be.
Monty Mole
Member
More people were affected by the terrorism of the IRA. But it's Muslims right, so let's be extra affected?
Except it doesn't work.
TTOOLL
Member
That's a very good post. Something must be done. It won't end by itself. No matter how hard some people want it to.
Don't you dare bring grieving parents into a discussion like this. If you think torture is right, argue for the merits you perceive it has. But don't use the grief of people to twist a political agenda like that.
Considering that you could make that argument for what 90% of >20 year sentences that aren't related to economic crime it's maybe time for you to look for a new country with a different kind of government type.
IRA often actively warned beforehand so civilians could get out of harms way. This is different. You can't just count "number of incidents" and say that the situations are the same.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Pretty much. At best they're a barometer for how bad/tasteless the reporting will get. So far it seems they're just going for the sensationalised drama angle.
Also:
Speaking of, any luck getting through to your friends?
kinda hard to stop people running over people with cars. you can kind of do some things to stop gun violence if your elected officials truly give a crap but not much can be done about cars. they can put up barriers in places with high amounts of foot traffic but there will always be opportunities to strike at other areas. after all you can't put up barriers everywhere in the city. before many of these terrorists tried to obtain explosives and guns and this is how they were caught. now they can radicalize somebody and just tell them to get on a car and gun it for as many people as possible. is it the new normal? maybe.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
human life is still human life ultimately
Oh sod off.
Fuck all of this. London is the greatest city in the world, and nothing these pieces of shit do will change that.
Agreed.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Of course, I knew this was coming (in Europe somewhere), but its very sad and disappointing to see it happen again so soon after Manchester.
RIP to the victims.
RIP to the victims.
What are you talking about? The same mosque that reported the attacker to the authorities as radicalised and ended up excluding him? Or other mosque?
The SUn is notorious for making up stories about the Hillsborough disaster. It was at a football match where 96 people were crushed to death by crowds.
The Sun claimed that one set of football fans were urinating on corpses, stealing their wallets and stopping the police giving aid.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jul/07/pressandpublishing.football1
That's not to say it is always inaccurate, but it doesn't put a premium on the truth.
The Sun claimed that one set of football fans were urinating on corpses, stealing their wallets and stopping the police giving aid.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jul/07/pressandpublishing.football1
That's not to say it is always inaccurate, but it doesn't put a premium on the truth.
Stead Fast
Banned
Pretty much. At best they're a barometer for how bad/tasteless the reporting will get. So far it seems they're just going for the sensationalised drama angle.
Also:
Speaking of, any luck getting through to your friends?
Yes, in a roundabout way. Head Office sent an email out on the attacks, much like they did for the Manchester one, and praised the staff at Borough, pleading them to stay safe. The only way they'd put a message out like that is if they were speaking to a manager in charge at the time. That's one Hell of a relief tonight.
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Indeed, and as JonnyDBrit mentioned, any and all accuracy they have ever reported, like this attack for instance, is spun purely for sensationalism. They are not worth anyone's time.
Don't you remember the secondary bombs set to kill the police and those dealing with fake alerts?
They killed hundreds of civilians mate.
JonnyDBrit
Member
It's something at least. Glad to hear it.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Why are these fucking muppets wearing camo pants? Where are they intending to camouflage?
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IRA was politically motivated, such conflicts always have an end in sight in some way. Not with religiously-motivated conflicts.
I'm not playing terrorism top trumps. I was just suggesting this type of thing is part and parcel of living in London. I don't see it as a reason to change what I'm doing, I'll carry on no matter, I love London far too much.
unpopularblargh
Member
Like? What do you feel are things the authorities aren't doing? Why not give examples instead of just saying "something must be done" and nothing else.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Have we tried a general ceasefire in the mid east yet? Maybe once we take Mosul, we can stop bombing there and it'll stop.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Oh there is an end. The end is when
A - the final kuffar has been eliminated
B - the final violent wahhabist has been eliminated
Take your pick.
No they didn't. The IRA was notorious for not controlling their own people. They would call in false threats to fuck with people, if that's what you mean by "warnings". Random bombings happened all the fucking time. This lie needs to stop.
The Metropolitan police has issued a statement clarifying the timeline of events:
From 22.08hrs [on] 3 June officers responded to reports of a vehicle in collision with pedestrians on London Bridge.
Officers have then responded to reports of stabbings in Borough Market. Armed officers responded and shots have been fired.
Officers subsequently responded to an incident in the Vauxhall area.
At 00.25hrs [on] 4 June the incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market were declared as terrorist incidents.
The incident at Vauxhall is a stabbing and is not believed connected to the other two incidents.
We will release facts when we can our info must be accurate.
We urge the public to remain calm, but be alert and vigilant.
To anyone near an incident our advice is RUN HIDE TELL.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...b0be3ed1922a9f#block-59335ebae4b0be3ed1922a9f
From 22.08hrs [on] 3 June officers responded to reports of a vehicle in collision with pedestrians on London Bridge.
Officers have then responded to reports of stabbings in Borough Market. Armed officers responded and shots have been fired.
Officers subsequently responded to an incident in the Vauxhall area.
At 00.25hrs [on] 4 June the incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market were declared as terrorist incidents.
The incident at Vauxhall is a stabbing and is not believed connected to the other two incidents.
We will release facts when we can our info must be accurate.
We urge the public to remain calm, but be alert and vigilant.
To anyone near an incident our advice is RUN HIDE TELL.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...b0be3ed1922a9f#block-59335ebae4b0be3ed1922a9f
Police shouting at people to run as far away as they could get, running past victims lying on the ground receiving emergency medical treatment. I can't imagine the terror those people must have been feeling.
Yes I am not talking in their behalf, I am talking from my own experiences, I am from Colombia, I lived next to the house of both most important political parties in the 90's during the years of Pablo Escobar and when FARC was getting bigger and bigger, I was six when 3 car bombs exploted around my house. I have lost friends, due to these kinds of attacks.
I've seen how a school m8 had to leave the country by himself because his entire family was killed by the FARC just because they deny to pay them a fee.
I have seen how people in your countries glorified assassins like Escobar or terrorist grups like FARC. I have seen how people who killed thousands now live free with a great life without any repercussion yet their victims are dead or forgotten and poor. If you want me to empathize with a killer like this, I will never do it and I will not treat them or consider them on the same level as regular people. Sorry I will never do it.
And let me be clear, I have no political agenda, at all, if there is something I hate is politicians and parties.
No, that's not how it works with religiously-motivated terrorism. You try that with politically-motivated terrorism, but religiously-motivated terrorism exists within an entirely different context.
Are you actually suggesting a ceasefire with ISIS as a possible solution... really? They want to kill everyone else, you can't have a ceasefire with that.
Bobnob
Member
From what i remember the ira wasn't going into kids concerts and suicide bombing the place or chopping off heads off military soldiers in the street.If they were that conflict would of been stopped a lot sooner but still a life is a life.