front/rear window defrost, I assume
Tesla Model 3 - OT - The cheap one
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front/rear window defrost, I assume
I find this very hard to believe. What small countries out there are people commuting 300 miles for work on a daily basis? And don't have a train they can use? That sounds ridiculous. Ive heard of people commuting from Houston to Austin and that's 170 miles and a 3 hour drive. It's not realistic to expect to have a car you drive over 4 hours one way for work.
no it doesn't.
Hopefully there is side mirror defrost.
Unknown Soldier
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He's #sorrynotsorry
Out of curiosity, what other smaller countries are you referring to, and how are they not considered an extreme edge case, at least as far as Tesla is concerned?
Unknown Soldier
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You should read this article:
http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/13...slas-asymmetric-war-against-the-auto-industry
The reality is that all the Tesla trolling and also the concerted oil and auto industry shill effort to attack them is only helping Tesla. It's actually surprisingly analogous to how the constant media coverage of Donald Trump helped him out so much. The sheer amount of Internet discussion focused on Tesla elevates them and gives them priceless free constant public exposure that you can't possibly pay enough money for.
I encourage the constant shit-posting, anti-Tesla hate, anti-Elon Musk hate, and shilling for oil and auto industries because they are literally digging their own graves by constantly giving Tesla as much attention as it gets.
GAF has such a hilarious hate boner for Elon Musk and I think it's great because anything that GAF hates automatically has a 99% chance of success. It's ironic because no one is doing more to save our species from self-immolation from global warming than that man is but he gets shit on constantly by GAF.
that was a good read, thanks.
I'd say 8 hours at 75 mph (600 miles) would be enough for 99.9% of people.
I can't imagine most people have the stamina to drive for longer than that without a single break for food, bathroom, or sleep.
There's an Nvidia GPU in every car:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...oard-on-my-hw2-ap2-0-model-s-with-pics.91076/
I think it's a 1060? I wonder how they mount the heatsink to handle the vibrations long term.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...oard-on-my-hw2-ap2-0-model-s-with-pics.91076/
I think it's a 1060? I wonder how they mount the heatsink to handle the vibrations long term.
Unknown Soldier
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Where did you get 1060 from? Nvidia's automotive products use Tegra technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_PX-series
Teslas have the Nvidia Drive PX2 but unlike Nvidia's other automotive partners, Tesla programs their own custom AI software.
Unknown Soldier
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Elon remains insistent that LIDAR is not needed for full autonomy. This is his big bet and we'll see if it pays off or not in a few years.
I suspect that if LIDAR ends up being needed, retrofits will be available for free to anyone who prepaid for full autonomy. They promised it when selling it and that's legally enforceable and there would be some pretty nasty lawsuits and bad PR if they tried to go back on it after asking people to pay $3,000 possibly years in advance for it.
I suspect that if LIDAR ends up being needed, retrofits will be available for free to anyone who prepaid for full autonomy. They promised it when selling it and that's legally enforceable and there would be some pretty nasty lawsuits and bad PR if they tried to go back on it after asking people to pay $3,000 possibly years in advance for it.
I mean there is existence proof that LIDAR is not needed to drive a car: humans seem to be able to drive just fine with just 2 cameras and stereo vision.
It's just a matter of the software, right? ;-)
there's no way in hell i can drive a car with an Ipad to my right. That makes no fucking sense. The Audi TT has a virtual dashboard that loosk way better. I hope they can update it as well
The model Y? A 2019/2020 unveil is the word on the street.
I don't hate Elon, I just see him for what he is: A businessman and not some visionary Tech Guru who only wants to help humanity without any ulterior motive. Tesla and SpaceX wouldn't exist if there wasn't any money to be made.
I don't see the problem.
Of course Elon wants his businesses to make money, but I do honestly believe that the guy wants the work he's doing to have a positive impact in the world.
This is one of the reasons why I believe that.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
time to save money
Sony
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No money, no venture. I took a startup class last year at uni and this top tier dude who I can't name from the world of startups, businesses etc. gave a guest lecture. His first question was "what is the goal of your company?". Obviously a lot of the answers were "to improve the world" bla bla but there was only 1 correct answer: to make money. If you don't make money, you can't achieve anything.
there's no way in hell i can drive a car with an Ipad to my right. That makes no fucking sense. The Audi TT has a virtual dashboard that loosk way better. I hope they can update it as well
That's bad.
I think more than 4 hours without a break is advised against because of the threat of clots and embolisms.
Living the Dream
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Try driving a yellow car. I've received a 71 in a 70.
Orange stay winning, only gotten one ticket in 2 years, but I really earned that one.
SteveMeister
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If money were his only motive, Musk would have invested in far less risky endeavors. The theme of his companies is improving the world and expanding humanity's reach into space. Emissions-free cars with a high speed charging network. Solar power and storage solutions for residential, commercial and municipal applications. High speed, clean mass transit. Autonomous cars and car sharing. And of course, reducing the cost of getting to space through reuse, and planning for getting humans to Mars.
All of these are high risk ventures with only potential long-term payoffs. There are far easier, surer and quicker ways Musk could have chosen to invest his money, time and energy.
It takes a special kind of cynic not to see that.
What cars on the market can go 600 miles on a single tank of gas? No car I have ever owned has gotten that. And that includes my diesel Jetta which I got over 500 miles to the tank on.
ICE cars you can fill up in 5 minutes almost anywhere so theyre effectively unlimited range.
I'd expect anyone needing 600 mile range wouldnt be doing that daily - thats not a commute, thats. a holiday or other special journey. In that case youd look out for superchargers along the way and get in top-ups at regular breaks (which you should be doing every 2-3 hours anyway)
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
My 2015 320d will do ~600 miles. I usually fill up at 550 miles without going into the red.
As opposed to a giant iPad off to the side?
Wow, I guess I didn't make my point clear. I'm not saying he's some evil super capitalist. I just hate that people worship him like they did with Steve Jobs. His position on workers rights and unions should give away that in the end he's a business owner.
Why is business owner denotative of bad? Business owners are why people have jobs, business owners are how products are made, business owners are why we aren't peasants or cavemen. I think Elon is amazing because he is a business owner, and a very successful one.
SteveMeister
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That's fair enough. There are definitely people who dismiss what Musk is actually doing and claim that he's only in it for the money.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I don't understand the extreme worship shown to Jobs. With his team he certainly changed many aspects of our lives, but nothing I would call highly significant in terms of long-term benefits to humanity. Which sounds a bit disingenuous, so I want to be clear that I'm not trying to underplay his achievements.
I do understand that about Musk, though, especially among progressives. His estimation of timescales is always too optimistic, but there's no doubt his work is and will change humanity for the better, in the long run.
But the guy is a tyrant, no doubt, that demands a lot from his employees. He needs to get a grip of that before it overruns the good he's doing.
SteveMeister
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In fairness, in October 2016 they reduced work hours and added a third shift, resulting in a better than industry average injury rate. So while the factory hasn't unionized, the company has been taking steps towards improving working conditions.
there's no way in hell i can drive a car with an Ipad to my right. That makes no fucking sense. The Audi TT has a virtual dashboard that loosk way better. I hope they can update it as well
This is not a great UI. The date and time are given as much space as the map, which makes the map way too small for useful navigating.
Maybe they arent navigating and its just showing where you are? If youre navigating Id expect maybe that righ side switching to a contextual display for junction detail etc
there's no way in hell i can drive a car with an Ipad to my right. That makes no fucking sense. The Audi TT has a virtual dashboard that loosk way better. I hope they can update it as well
Yuck.
I'll take a heads up display on my windshield that shows my map navagation ,speed,speed limit, etc.
Along with my iPad on the side anytime.
Picking the Virtual Console over a H.U.D. doesn't sound like a good choice. I almost never take my eyes off the road because of the H.U.D. Making it also a safer choice.
The Audi Virtual Cockpit is configurable with various layout options, including an option where the map takes up most of the display with smaller instruments at the side. There are some youtube videos that show it off such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_G5bEycbLQ
I can't judge long-term use of the virtual cockpit and its controls from that video, but to me the feature seems pretty amazing. There's still another display at the center.
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there's no way in hell i can drive a car with an Ipad to my right. That makes no fucking sense. The Audi TT has a virtual dashboard that loosk way better. I hope they can update it as well
why did they bolt ski goggles into the car
Ah yeah that looks nice when in full nav mode.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
The date/time display portion also shows fuel efficiency, miles to empty etc. That's probably the one part of the cycle that uses the least of the space.
NYR
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No it isn't. It's world class and has gotten amazing reviews in the auto industry, it's considered the best instrument cluster in the world. That picture does it no justice.
That is just one of the options. Theee are many views to choose from, it's customizable, OP picked an awful picture to prove his point.
SteveMeister
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Back on topic.
The Model 3 has a panel in the center for three primary reasons.
- it makes conversion to right-hand drive easier, dramatically reducing costs.
- it reduces and simplifies wiring, dramatically reducing costs
- ultimately the cars will be capable of fully autonomous driving, making a driver-specific panel even less necessary
If you don't like it, but you still want a Tesla, Model S and Model X both have two panels, and there are some great deals on pre-owned models.
If enough people don't like it, don't expect to see it again in Model Y or future cars. The market will have spoken.
The Model 3 has a panel in the center for three primary reasons.
- it makes conversion to right-hand drive easier, dramatically reducing costs.
- it reduces and simplifies wiring, dramatically reducing costs
- ultimately the cars will be capable of fully autonomous driving, making a driver-specific panel even less necessary
If you don't like it, but you still want a Tesla, Model S and Model X both have two panels, and there are some great deals on pre-owned models.
If enough people don't like it, don't expect to see it again in Model Y or future cars. The market will have spoken.
ZeezbruhTV
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Oh come on dude. You can't change entire industries and outperform NASA/ESA/Boeing/GM/VW/Ford FROM SCRATCH paying people $35 an hour to stand there and go "thats not my job" or "I'm grieving". Both companies are 100% upfront about what it takes to work there. Longer than average hours and slightly underpayed will be worth it if you wake up every morning believing what you do (how else have they gotten some of the best workforces in the country?). Not to mention the stock options will make a stupid amount of money.
Those UIs are hideous up above.