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Tesla Model 3 - OT - The cheap one
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AstroNut325
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RWD Model S have generally performed well in the snow with snow tires. The motor can react to slip almost instantly compared to gas cars. Obviously AWD will always be better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-3C772Fuc
Also, here's a good comparison to the other cars in the 3's class.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything
Interesting comparison. Definitely want the 3. Just never bought a car that costed more than $20K!
Unknown Soldier
Member
Man, that base 320i looks like the most awful car ever. Only 180 HP in the base motor?
RustyNails
Member
What if you lose your wallet, your phone and your pants???
What if you lose your car??? Then none of those thing will help! How will you get home then???
Unknown Soldier
Member
Actually, if you somehow lost your car but not your phone, the Tesla app can tell you where your car is.
Psychotext
Member
Can't be that bad with a 7.1s 0-60. Sure, it's not electric car fast, but it's hardly slow.
LordOfChaos
Member
Just want to point out that doesn't mean the average salary ($44,148) could sustain that though - it means that cars can be priced much higher and a bit lower (lower limit ~16K ish new? Practically no upper limit), and those more expensive cars drag the average up, when it's probably much higher salaries going for them.
AstroNut325
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I've wanted to see data back this up. I don't think the average person is spending $35K on a car unless we're including trucks, SUVs and such as well. Oh and fleet sales.
Horsepower: N/A?RWD Model S have generally performed well in the snow with snow tires. The motor can react to slip almost instantly compared to gas cars. Obviously AWD will always be better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-3C772Fuc
Also, here's a good comparison to the other cars in the 3's class.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything
Lol, this was the first movie I rented on DVD, plugged in my PS2 into my VCR and hit record! ZOLTAN!
Anyone know the details on Autonomy? Like I know there are different levels and Level 5 is the holy grail (you don't do ANYTHING), but I feel like that's not possible at this very moment. Are the Model 3's Level 4? Would love to see more footage and that cross country trek Elon promised
Right now: Level 2, but the camera in the rear view mirror preps it for level 3.
ThisIsMyDogKyle
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RWD Model S have generally performed well in the snow with snow tires. The motor can react to slip almost instantly compared to gas cars. Obviously AWD will always be better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-3C772Fuc
Also, here's a good comparison to the other cars in the 3's class.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything
Shouldn't they have the Tesla listed at $40k as they're including the autopilot?
AstroNut325
Member
The hardware is included in all Model 3 units. The software isn't. That's extra. So that comparison is still valid, you can get a Model 3 for $35K, you just have to wait till next year.
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
They just don't know it yet. Tesla hasn't said and the car hasn't been put on a dyno by anyone outside the company.
That row is labeled "Driver Assistance Option".
I drove a 320i as a loaner when my 335i was in the shop.
I...did not enjoy it at all. IMO that car shouldn't exist. The 328i should have remained the base 3 series car.
TheOctodad
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Yes, this was the crux of my question. Generally RWD are great in snow, but from what I'm reading Tesla isn't in the same boat entirely. Just wondering if good snow tires + RWD Tesla will be manageable in Minnesota.
While I'd love AWD it really sucks that waiting out for it might cost me $12,500 ($5,000 more and losing the $7,500 credit).
I believe the way to break down BMW's is Series then Engine size:
320i = 3 Series 2.0L (im guessing 4 cylinder) engine. 180HP from a 2.0L is pretty good i guess...
however I agree that isn't enough for a base model BMW. That's too sluggish for the ultimate driving machine.
cebri.one
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I dont think the company will survice that long.
AstroNut325
Member
Why is that?
Mind providing a reason why? From the looks of things, there will be some challenges but they seem ready for extreme growth with production just starting, gigafactories coming online, and solar roof tiles and wall powerpacks ready to round the package out.
cebri.one
Member
Key people leaving, burning cash like there is no tommorrow, cars being sold at a loss. I really don't see them getting too far.
Don't buy into all the FUD you read. Especially when it says the cars are being sold at a loss. Gross margins for the S and X are still 20%+. The only reason Tesla "burns" so much cash is because all of the revenue is being used for expansion. They survived 2008. This is nothing compared to that.
Are they selling cars at a loss?
Only? Seriously, why do you need small sedans with 200+ hp? Most people I know drive 100 hp diesels.
No. Tesla naysayers like to say they are, but they're calculations are just using the quarterly losses and dividing by the number of cars sold. Tesla makes a profit on each car, but they invest heavily into their supply chain and support networks (superchargers, showrooms, service centres).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...action-price-3-kbb-kelley-blue-book/26690191/
i didn't say "car" to mean literally just a sedan, of course it includes pickups and SUVs. Everyone refers to those as cars. Look at the article above and look at the average cost for the manufacturers listed, those are pretty much your run of the mill working class car manufacturers, no fancy pants HIGH END SALARY manufacturers driving the average price up so high.
You should try the 130hp 318i and 115hp 316d sold in other markets
They are rough performance metrics and haven't meant absolute performance got a while now. 328i uses that same 2.0 block with more boost.
mariachi507
Member
Pirate's are going to put the whole "you wouldn't download a car" slogan to the test.
Yeah but this is an Ultimate Driving Machine(tm). With that being said, it's a far cry from the most awful car ever. I've driven a 55 hp Geo Metro, and even that's a far cry from the most awful car ever.
Hazelhurst
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Going to try and holdout for 500 mile range and solar power charging capability.
Solar power is not even remotely close to happening.
Maybe thats his way of saying he isnt buying one?
No way model 3 ever gets 500 mile range.
The 320i is 3450 pounds. Bmws aren't light. If you really were thinking small sedans then that would the be the 2 series really
See you in 2026.
Solar panels on a car like a Tesla can just about stop vampire drain. It's pointless.
You drive a 335i, of course it'll feel underpowered
I dropped to a 320i last year and it's fine. Even the 330 has a 4 cylinder turbo engine these days with an eye on emissions and fuel economy but they perform plenty well enough for normal day to day use. I do miss the sound and power of the 6-cyl but I appreciate the better mpg and lower cost of the 320
collection of first impressions here
Magic, Im telling you. Magic. And this is the single-motor, rear-wheel-drive starting point. The already boggled mind boggles further at the mention of Dual Motor and Ludicrous, Reynolds continued. Have I ever driven a more startling small sedan? I havent. At speed, it gains a laser-alertness I havent encountered before [ ] [The] 2.0-liter Alfa Romeo Giulia [ ] feels like a wet sponge by comparison.
Ive driven all Teslas vehicles, Matthew Debord of Business Insider wrote, But the Model 3 is something else [ ] [its] going to blow many, many minds. This is easily the most attractive entry-level luxury, all-electric car on the market [ ] I can safely say that the Model 3 has no competition.
Its not so much that Tesla is ushering in the future, Holley argued. After riding in the Model 3, Im more inclined to think that Tesla is single-handedly pulling the automotive industry into the present the way anyone born before the Internet thought 2017 would look like decades earlier.
Lionheart1827
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My Dad just got on the registration list for this yesterday. Was looking for a new side car in the next few years or so and doesn't mind waiting.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Not that I don't agree, but all of this pricing talk is weird if you're just going off of baseline MSRP Tesla included.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
No, the performance models and ludicrous option are hardware-based; it's not software.
Elon is saying the performance model will arrive around the same time as the dual motor version possibly. We'll see.
Ah, boo. Makes sense, but boo.
Yeah I'm not about dat power anymore. I got a 2017 a4 with a 4 pot turbo and it has launch control from 0-60 in about 5.3 - that's sports car speeds, even supercar speeds from my childhood. All I do is potter about from home to work and the odd road trip.
It's nice to have but I don't need it.
Looks like a start to a lot of glowing reviews. I mean it's also Apple like how they describe it. Curious what general public and owners will say too
Nardonicus
Member
wrong thread.
You rarely see dissatisfied tesla owners. They have quite a high satisfaction rate. Although that could be because many people would have a hard time dissin a car they paid nearly 100k for!
RWD Model S have generally performed well in the snow with snow tires. The motor can react to slip almost instantly compared to gas cars. Obviously AWD will always be better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-3C772Fuc
Also, here's a good comparison to the other cars in the 3's class.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything
List needs to add the 2017-18 Audi A4.
brochiller
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Every Tesla currently being sold has the capability of full Level 5 autonomy with a future software update. They're not close to that, maybe a year or two away, but they have the sensor suite and computing power for it in every Tesla since last October.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I'm not going to lie, if Tesla has learned a lot about how to make cars more spry since the S the new Roadster is going to be fucking mind explosion inducing. I should start saving up now. I want a Tesla Roadster 2 so bad.