The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marcs Webb
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Overall I enjoyed the movie. It was good to get the origin story out of the way and love the web slinging in 3D. I've learned to not nit pick at everything like I used to and enjoy a movie for what it is. The only thing that was kind of off putting was the music during the times square Electro scene and the two planes that almost hit each other.
Finaika
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Yeah that was pointless.
BattleMonkey
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Yup the whole Peter's parents thing just was such a huge waste, and could have easily been ignored, with the story not changing at all. So much time devoted to it as if it really was so important, but it just doesn't really go anywhere necessary.
illmatic22
Banned
I was dissapointed by Dehaan's Harry/Green Goblin. Blame the role more than anything, though.
This was quite bad indeed. I liked the scenes with Peter in the spidey suit, web-slinging around, tons of lame jokes, etc. That was great. The rest of the film was terrible. From the opening with the parents, to the cringeworthy and embarrassingly bad Giamatti and Foxx, and the useless plane collision sequence, the only real moments I had fun was when he put on the suit.
KoruptData
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I really liked the movie. I also liked Man of Steel. Maybe I like shit movies according to GAF?
Dont worry, I loved this movie but hated man of steel. Different tastes thats all. This movie is being loved by the public though. And people hating on gwen and peter...seems you guys never had a complicated love life at all.
Finaika
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Maybe according to GAF, but I don't think this & MoS was shit at all.
I'm in general a fan of 500 Days of Spiderman but this movie is kind of a mess. Rhino doesn't serve a purpose other than to awkwardly bookend the movie and everything related to Electro flirts with Joel Schumacher Batman levels of cheese. I groaned at the set where Max turns into Electro, and Dr. Kafka was god damned ridiculous.
That said, I like Marc Webb doing his thing enough I left with a positive opinion, but if you're not into that I'd expect to not like this movie, as the rest of it is poorly structured and paced. It would have benefited greatly from having one or two less plotlines.
That said, I like Marc Webb doing his thing enough I left with a positive opinion, but if you're not into that I'd expect to not like this movie, as the rest of it is poorly structured and paced. It would have benefited greatly from having one or two less plotlines.
roflwaffles
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The movie could have actually done without Electro all-together. In the full scope of things, his inclusion means nothing.
It's easy to point at a movie with multiple villains and say that's the issue, but that is the main problem here. Taking out Electro (and Rhino) would have given the rest of the movie's plot (Peter and Gwen going through a rough patch and Harry Osborn trying to find a cure for his disease) more room to breathe and probably would be better constructed as a result. I actually liked Dane DeHaan (ANDREEEEEEEEEEEEW) and think he could have carried the movie as an antagonist if he had a bigger role.
The only scene I can think of is when Norman Osborne says to Harry "Not everyone has a happy ending" when Harry asks "What about Peter?"
Also, I really liked it. I think ya'll saw a different movie.
smh...
Gwen during the break up, once with Aunt May, then when Gwen dies.
There may have been once more, maybe when he was thinking of his dad?
Yeah, Electro added nothing to them films story. If anything, Rhino had a bigger role by getting Peter to suit up again lol. This becomes pretty evident when he becomes nothing more than a pawn via Harry's manipulation.
Electro ultimately feels like he was added because Sony didn't want to market this as another Goblin film for obvious reasons. The filmmakers have said that Gwen's demise was planned from beginning, and was going to happen in this film no matter what. So I guess Goblin was a go, and the accompanying villains were up in the air.
I saw the film like a week ago so I need to rewatch as some things are leaving my mind lol. But damn I forgot about the boring exposition with his dad on the computer (what an unnecessary seem that felt like it should've been in the first film). Gwen dying makes sense, Maguire Parker would've blew his fucking tear ducts if MJ died. The others are eh, I didn't really notice. Anyone wanna call whether or not we see Peter crying in TASM3?
Electro ultimately feels like he was added because Sony didn't want to market this as another Goblin film for obvious reasons. The filmmakers have said that Gwen's demise was planned from beginning, and was going to happen in this film no matter what. So I guess Goblin was a go, and the accompanying villains were up in the air.
I saw the film like a week ago so I need to rewatch as some things are leaving my mind lol. But damn I forgot about the boring exposition with his dad on the computer (what an unnecessary seem that felt like it should've been in the first film). Gwen dying makes sense, Maguire Parker would've blew his fucking tear ducts if MJ died. The others are eh, I didn't really notice. Anyone wanna call whether or not we see Peter crying in TASM3?
Do you disagree? What part of their relationship was unrealistic? Apart from Peter being a superhero and all.
A shame that between the great action scenes, there's all this character "interaction". We get it these teenagers are socially dumb, we get it, WE GET IT PLS MAKE IT STOP. Better than ASM1, though that's not exactly hard to achieve. Also, i'm probably the only person alive that actually liked the goblin laugh.
Charles Foster Kane
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Sounds like Webb is filling in for Jameson.
Harry's life wasn't in imminent danger. Peter said" I can't give you my blood RIGHT NOW". Harry was only showing very early signs of the disease and never had any serious flare ups that put him in the hospital.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Then Peter returned as Spider-man - again, BEFORE he realised that stupid factoid about his blood, and told Harry tough shit.
Exactly. Nothing changed between when "Peter" told him and when "Spider-man" told him. He still don't know if his blood would do any harm.
SCULLIBUNDO
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As Harry pointed out to Peter over and over: HARRY WAS DYING ANYWAY. He said taking a look at his blood could give him a chance. Only when he became desperate did he go after Spider-Venom crap.
Peter was unwilling to give Harry a chance to procure something to help for no logical reason.
Joe Prodigy
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What in the world? That middle of the credits totally fooled me.
Just got back from the movie and, I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised at how much GAF seems to dislike the movie. Aside from some pacing problems, silly slow-motion destruction porn (which was actually pretty good in 3D despite how unnecessary it was), the awful Dr. Kafka (ugh), and the utterly ridiculous Batman-esque secret lab/rail station bit I really enjoyed the movie. The Death of Gwen Stacy is easily my favorite moment in comics and it helps that it was included in the movie. That probably explains some of my enjoyment but despite it's flaws, which didn't bother me nearly as much as it seems to have bothered many of you, I still found it enjoyable. More enjoyable than the first ASM.
I actually loved that whole last scene and how absurd Giamatti was as Rhino. It was pretty much everything I've always wanted out of a spidey movie and if the whole movie had been more like that it could have been great. As it stands everything else was utter garbage, and I went in wanting to like the movie so bad after how mediocre the first one was. Not even gonna bother going to the theater for anymore sequels or spinoffs, which sucks since Spider-Man is my favorite super hero
yeah, lack of quippage is the only reason some people hate the Raimi movies.
Completely agree. Way better than ASM1, SM3, and better than SM1. They really nailed Gwen and Peter, and her death was handled perfectly.
Harry was dying, but again, nothing was urgent. Reasons he wouldn't want Harry to have his blood:
1. It could kill him, or turn him into something, which was stated multiple times
2. Peter is trying to hide his identity. If Harry/Oscorp gets a hold of it they can discover who he is, which leads to endangerment of himself and his family. Not stated, but fairly simple to connect the dots.
He didn't want to give him his blood because it could have killed him now whereas his disease wasn't going to kill him anytime soon. I was expecting Peter/Spider-Man to make a comment about needing to research a cure (and potentially bringing Gwen in to help since that's her area of expertise) rather than just taking some blood and injecting it immediately into Harry. That, at least, would have given his rejection a bit more clarity.
Err.. you mean the dirty Spider-Man suit he didn't want her to see that you had just been given the heads up about upstairs in the prior scene and is referenced when she refers to the last time he washed laundry he "turned everything red and blue." Yeah, can't imagine why he didn't want her to do that particular load of laundry.
What if the TASM trilogy reverses the 3rd move curse?
Don't the first two movies have to be critically acclaimed for the 3rd movie curse to rear its ugly face?
I just assumed if Oscorp got his blood they could make an army of cross species soldiers or something.
WooHooAlex
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Just got back... and I thought it was great!
Things I loved
* Spider-Man
This was by far the best portrayal of Spider-Man we've seen on the big screen. Spidey was quick, clever, the costume was perfect and Andrew Garfield executed everything perfectly on his end.
* Gwen's death
I knew going in that Gwen dies and my heart will still racing that entire scene. This part in particular was incredible and really made the movie for me. I would go as far as to say this scene is an all-time great for comic book movies. Right up there with the Batman/Joker interrogation scene.
* Green Gobin
Wow. I can talk about Dane Dehaan's Goblin for hours. He was great in this role, better than James Franco in every way. I just wish he was in the movie more as Green Goblin. He is probably in it for a grand total of 6 minutes and that includes the scene where he becomes the Goblin. When we see Goblin for the first time, Spider-Man had just defeated Electro, he thinks Gwen is safe, nope. Goblin comes flying in and is just circling them on his glider, laughing. Its that moment where I felt scared for Spider-Man and Gwen, in a way that I never did when Electro is on-screen. Goblin should have been the main villain in this movie. I actually think I enjoyed that portrayal of Green Goblin more than Dafoe's. Can't wait to see him in TASM3.
My only complaints are that it gets a little long in the middle part of the movie. There are a few notable scenes that they could have cut and it would have been better off. And Max Dillon/Electro is the other problem I had with it. Not a great villain. Jamie Foxx was fine in this role, he did what he could with it but the writing for the character was just not very good.
8.5/10
Coming from a die hard Spidey fan, I'll need to watch it again to confirm this, but for me, this was the best Spider-Man film to date.
Things I loved
* Spider-Man
This was by far the best portrayal of Spider-Man we've seen on the big screen. Spidey was quick, clever, the costume was perfect and Andrew Garfield executed everything perfectly on his end.
* Gwen's death
I knew going in that Gwen dies and my heart will still racing that entire scene. This part in particular was incredible and really made the movie for me. I would go as far as to say this scene is an all-time great for comic book movies. Right up there with the Batman/Joker interrogation scene.
* Green Gobin
Wow. I can talk about Dane Dehaan's Goblin for hours. He was great in this role, better than James Franco in every way. I just wish he was in the movie more as Green Goblin. He is probably in it for a grand total of 6 minutes and that includes the scene where he becomes the Goblin. When we see Goblin for the first time, Spider-Man had just defeated Electro, he thinks Gwen is safe, nope. Goblin comes flying in and is just circling them on his glider, laughing. Its that moment where I felt scared for Spider-Man and Gwen, in a way that I never did when Electro is on-screen. Goblin should have been the main villain in this movie. I actually think I enjoyed that portrayal of Green Goblin more than Dafoe's. Can't wait to see him in TASM3.
My only complaints are that it gets a little long in the middle part of the movie. There are a few notable scenes that they could have cut and it would have been better off. And Max Dillon/Electro is the other problem I had with it. Not a great villain. Jamie Foxx was fine in this role, he did what he could with it but the writing for the character was just not very good.
8.5/10
Coming from a die hard Spidey fan, I'll need to watch it again to confirm this, but for me, this was the best Spider-Man film to date.
KoruptData
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Yay, the 2 Amazing Spiderman movies have been better than any of the Sam Rami films.
Colonel Nasty
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I really liked Harry and this should have been his movie. He won't do it in the next film either because they will add three more villains.
YOU'RE A FRAUD SPIDER-MAN!
This. It's unfortunate because they've done some good stories with electro, but he really just felt tossed in there to try and cover up the Goblin being the real villain. Even though Goblin is only in it for like 10 minutes, I felt like his lead up and actions had much more depth and three dimensionally than the crappy electro, who only served to be a bad guy trying to do bad things just because he suddenly became bad.
It also sucks because I thought Foxx did a pretty good job as Dillion.
Completely agree. Garbage.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Did he say now? Because I'm pretty sure he didn't say now. And AGAIN, Harry asked for it so that it could be use to produce a cure. It could be a lead in the right direction. A chance. It could be analyzed. I don't remember him saying anything other than that. Certainly not revealing plans of injecting it into himself as soon as he got a hold of it. That only happened when he started getting desperate and feeling the effects of his disease.
There was nothing to suggest Harry wasn't trustworthy for Peter either. They even had scenes deliberately showing how disconnected he is from the bullshit they pull at Oscorp and how much of a longstanding broship he has with Peter. Because fuck knows anybody else in modern day NYC who takes time out to skip stones together. Peter really did just turn down a chance to help Harry save his own life.
What makes you think I didn't understand what was happening in the scene? Just because it's an awful, unfunny and perfunctory scene, it doesn't mean I didn't get what was happening.
Colonel Nasty
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CLEAR!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Also gotta love the continued subtle-but-not cribbing from Raimi's films. Itsy Bitsy Spider toward the end there lol.
What about Peter's meta ringtone?
sweetvar26
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Someone please explain me the post credit scene?
Haloid1177
Banned
When Electro played Isty Bitsy Spider with electricity at the power plant I just gave up. Why?
lazybones18
Banned
That thud when Gwen's head hit the ground....damn
And who was Harry talking to in his cell? Pretty sure it was the same guy who confronted Connors in the last movie.
And that kid in the Spider-Man costume trying to confront Rhino...so fucking stupid
Still pretty good movie
And who was Harry talking to in his cell? Pretty sure it was the same guy who confronted Connors in the last movie.
And that kid in the Spider-Man costume trying to confront Rhino...so fucking stupid
Still pretty good movie
Killa Sasa
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Better than I thought it would be and better than the first one, not saying much.
Spider-Man was dead on and Peter was actually enjoyable instead of being a terrible person (see: ASM1). Gwen was good fun too and outside of the drivel-y stuff, their chemistry was great once again. Things that were good in the first movie (like Spidey's animation, and Peter/Gwen) were as good or better here.
It doesn't make up for the mess that is the rest of the movie as far as plot goes. Pacing was better but not perfect, and it didn't completely feel like an editing mess. Dane DeHaan was a lot of fun but Electro was just a huge mess. I don't know how to put my problems with this movie, but it just seems like there were a lot of things within it weren't "earned" or justified or logical, if that makes sense. That said, I tend to be a bit harsher with Spider-Man flicks since he's still the objectively best superhero (yes, I've become one of those people I hate).
Overall, it worked best when he was in the suit. But it's telling that the best I can say about a the majority of it is "it's not as bad as it could have been." Went in with looooooow expectations and it went one notch above 'em. Green Lantern it ain't but it's no Captain.
Goblin was better than I thought he'd be, and Electro a fair bit worse (had only average expectations). Dat justified motive (or lack thereof).
I can deal with melodrama and camp -- it's what Spider-Man is built on in many incarnations -- but only when it's earned. Slightly above average/10. Still enjoyable enough for those just wanting to see Spider-Man do cool shit.
Starts strong, Jamie Foxx birthday shit, 2nd act drags, Goblin battle through to end is pretty fun.
Spider-Man was dead on and Peter was actually enjoyable instead of being a terrible person (see: ASM1). Gwen was good fun too and outside of the drivel-y stuff, their chemistry was great once again. Things that were good in the first movie (like Spidey's animation, and Peter/Gwen) were as good or better here.
It doesn't make up for the mess that is the rest of the movie as far as plot goes. Pacing was better but not perfect, and it didn't completely feel like an editing mess. Dane DeHaan was a lot of fun but Electro was just a huge mess. I don't know how to put my problems with this movie, but it just seems like there were a lot of things within it weren't "earned" or justified or logical, if that makes sense. That said, I tend to be a bit harsher with Spider-Man flicks since he's still the objectively best superhero (yes, I've become one of those people I hate).
Overall, it worked best when he was in the suit. But it's telling that the best I can say about a the majority of it is "it's not as bad as it could have been." Went in with looooooow expectations and it went one notch above 'em. Green Lantern it ain't but it's no Captain.
Goblin was better than I thought he'd be, and Electro a fair bit worse (had only average expectations). Dat justified motive (or lack thereof).
I can deal with melodrama and camp -- it's what Spider-Man is built on in many incarnations -- but only when it's earned. Slightly above average/10. Still enjoyable enough for those just wanting to see Spider-Man do cool shit.
Starts strong, Jamie Foxx birthday shit, 2nd act drags, Goblin battle through to end is pretty fun.
Killa Sasa
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Was just another in the long list of things that sucked about him. I have an idea what they were thinking, but how they landed on it and stuck with it, why?
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