The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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garfield is the better spiderman but my god that movie was beyond terrible, just so much pointless shit to rip to shreds. the action scenes were fine and that doesnt cut it
 
Overall I enjoyed the movie. It was good to get the origin story out of the way and love the web slinging in 3D. I've learned to not nit pick at everything like I used to and enjoy a movie for what it is. The only thing that was kind of off putting was the music during the times square Electro scene and the two planes that almost hit each other.
 
Just got back. Couple of things on my mind:

I'm honestly surprised they killed Gwen. It was one of those things where they hinted at it SO hard that I thought they'd swerve us at the end with a "lol nope". I also figured they'd keep her alive since Emma Stone is a legit star but I guess not. It was well done.

We have a new worst green goblin design. Goodbye Power Rangers Goblin from Spidey 1, hello.... whatever the fuck that was. Awful.

Also, I don't think the Raimi trilogy haters can fault Tobey for his crying anymore... cause god damn did Garfield cry a lot in this film. Way more than Tobey in the original trilogy. Besides the actual ending, it wasn't needed.

I still don't understand exactly why there was so much focus on Peter's parents in the first film and this one.

How the fuck would they have incorporated Mary Jane into this movie? LOL

Overall, I feel like it was better than the first ASM. Still can't hold Spidey 1 and 2s jockstrap. Wasn't terrible, just... average.

Yup the whole Peter's parents thing just was such a huge waste, and could have easily been ignored, with the story not changing at all. So much time devoted to it as if it really was so important, but it just doesn't really go anywhere necessary.
 
This was quite bad indeed. I liked the scenes with Peter in the spidey suit, web-slinging around, tons of lame jokes, etc. That was great. The rest of the film was terrible. From the opening with the parents, to the cringeworthy and embarrassingly bad Giamatti and Foxx, and the useless plane collision sequence, the only real moments I had fun was when he put on the suit.
 
I really liked the movie. I also liked Man of Steel. Maybe I like shit movies according to GAF?

Dont worry, I loved this movie but hated man of steel. Different tastes thats all. This movie is being loved by the public though. And people hating on gwen and peter...seems you guys never had a complicated love life at all.
 
I'm in general a fan of 500 Days of Spiderman but this movie is kind of a mess. Rhino doesn't serve a purpose other than to awkwardly bookend the movie and everything related to Electro flirts with Joel Schumacher Batman levels of cheese. I groaned at the set where Max turns into Electro, and Dr. Kafka was god damned ridiculous.

That said, I like Marc Webb doing his thing enough I left with a positive opinion, but if you're not into that I'd expect to not like this movie, as the rest of it is poorly structured and paced. It would have benefited greatly from having one or two less plotlines.
 
The movie could have actually done without Electro all-together. In the full scope of things, his inclusion means nothing.

It's easy to point at a movie with multiple villains and say that's the issue, but that is the main problem here. Taking out Electro (and Rhino) would have given the rest of the movie's plot (Peter and Gwen going through a rough patch and Harry Osborn trying to find a cure for his disease) more room to breathe and probably would be better constructed as a result. I actually liked Dane DeHaan (ANDREEEEEEEEEEEEW) and think he could have carried the movie as an antagonist if he had a bigger role.
 
Yeah, Electro added nothing to them films story. If anything, Rhino had a bigger role by getting Peter to suit up again lol. This becomes pretty evident when he becomes nothing more than a pawn via Harry's manipulation.

Electro ultimately feels like he was added because Sony didn't want to market this as another Goblin film for obvious reasons. The filmmakers have said that Gwen's demise was planned from beginning, and was going to happen in this film no matter what. So I guess Goblin was a go, and the accompanying villains were up in the air.

Gwen during the break up, once with Aunt May, then when Gwen dies.

There may have been once more, maybe when he was thinking of his dad?

I saw the film like a week ago so I need to rewatch as some things are leaving my mind lol. But damn I forgot about the boring exposition with his dad on the computer (what an unnecessary seem that felt like it should've been in the first film). Gwen dying makes sense, Maguire Parker would've blew his fucking tear ducts if MJ died. The others are eh, I didn't really notice. Anyone wanna call whether or not we see Peter crying in TASM3?
 
A shame that between the great action scenes, there's all this character "interaction". We get it these teenagers are socially dumb, we get it, WE GET IT PLS MAKE IT STOP. Better than ASM1, though that's not exactly hard to achieve. Also, i'm probably the only person alive that actually liked the goblin laugh.
 
If anything, Harry is more sympathetic to me than Peter in this film. And that's when you know your script is fucked. Peter basically left Harry to die for no fucking reason. I understand Harry's resentment. Fuck Peter.

Harry's life wasn't in imminent danger. Peter said" I can't give you my blood RIGHT NOW". Harry was only showing very early signs of the disease and never had any serious flare ups that put him in the hospital.
 
Harry's life wasn't in imminent danger. Peter said" I can't give you my blood RIGHT NOW". Harry was only showing very early signs of the disease and never had any serious flare ups that put him in the hospital.
Then Peter returned as Spider-man - again, BEFORE he realised that stupid factoid about his blood, and told Harry tough shit.
 
Then Peter returned as Spider-man - again, BEFORE he realised that stupid factoid about his blood, and told Harry tough shit.

Exactly. Nothing changed between when "Peter" told him and when "Spider-man" told him. He still don't know if his blood would do any harm.
 
How did Harry transform so quickly though?

It was so sudden that I felt like I missed something.

EDIT: I know there were gradual signs of it, but it happened so fast in the third act.
 
Exactly. Nothing changed between when "Peter" told him and when "Spider-man" told him. He still don't know if his blood would do any harm.
As Harry pointed out to Peter over and over: HARRY WAS DYING ANYWAY. He said taking a look at his blood could give him a chance. Only when he became desperate did he go after Spider-Venom crap.

Peter was unwilling to give Harry a chance to procure something to help for no logical reason.
 
Just got back from the movie and, I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised at how much GAF seems to dislike the movie. Aside from some pacing problems, silly slow-motion destruction porn (which was actually pretty good in 3D despite how unnecessary it was), the awful Dr. Kafka (ugh), and the utterly ridiculous Batman-esque secret lab/rail station bit I really enjoyed the movie. The Death of Gwen Stacy is easily my favorite moment in comics and it helps that it was included in the movie. That probably explains some of my enjoyment but despite it's flaws, which didn't bother me nearly as much as it seems to have bothered many of you, I still found it enjoyable. More enjoyable than the first ASM.
 
I actually loved that whole last scene and how absurd Giamatti was as Rhino. It was pretty much everything I've always wanted out of a spidey movie and if the whole movie had been more like that it could have been great. As it stands everything else was utter garbage, and I went in wanting to like the movie so bad after how mediocre the first one was. Not even gonna bother going to the theater for anymore sequels or spinoffs, which sucks since Spider-Man is my favorite super hero
 
The Death of Gwen Stacy is easily my favorite moment in comics and it helps that it was included in the movie. That probably explains some of my enjoyment but despite it's flaws, which didn't bother me nearly as much as it seems to have bothered many of you, I still found it enjoyable. More enjoyable than the first ASM.

Completely agree. Way better than ASM1, SM3, and better than SM1. They really nailed Gwen and Peter, and her death was handled perfectly.

As Harry pointed out to Peter over and over: HARRY WAS DYING ANYWAY. He said taking a look at his blood could give him a chance. Only when he became desperate did he go after Spider-Venom crap.

Peter was unwilling to give Harry a chance to procure something to help for no logical reason.

Harry was dying, but again, nothing was urgent. Reasons he wouldn't want Harry to have his blood:
1. It could kill him, or turn him into something, which was stated multiple times
2. Peter is trying to hide his identity. If Harry/Oscorp gets a hold of it they can discover who he is, which leads to endangerment of himself and his family. Not stated, but fairly simple to connect the dots.
 
At this point, he's responsible for turning Harry vengeful by telling him 'Good luck with that whole fatal disease thing you got lol seeya'

He didn't want to give him his blood because it could have killed him now whereas his disease wasn't going to kill him anytime soon. I was expecting Peter/Spider-Man to make a comment about needing to research a cure (and potentially bringing Gwen in to help since that's her area of expertise) rather than just taking some blood and injecting it immediately into Harry. That, at least, would have given his rejection a bit more clarity.

I also remember some awful scene where he argues with Aunt May about doing his laundry.

Err.. you mean the dirty Spider-Man suit he didn't want her to see that you had just been given the heads up about upstairs in the prior scene and is referenced when she refers to the last time he washed laundry he "turned everything red and blue." Yeah, can't imagine why he didn't want her to do that particular load of laundry.
 
I actually loved that whole last scene and how absurd Giamatti was as Rhino. It was pretty much everything I've always wanted out of a spidey movie and if the whole movie had been more like that it could have been great. As it stands everything else was utter garbage, and I went in wanting to like the movie so bad after how mediocre the first one was. Not even gonna bother going to the theater for anymore sequels or spinoffs, which sucks since Spider-Man is my favorite super hero

What if the TASM trilogy reverses the 3rd move curse?

Don't the first two movies have to be critically acclaimed for the 3rd movie curse to rear its ugly face?

1. It could kill him, or turn him into something, which was stated multiple times
2. Peter is trying to hide his identity. If Harry/Oscorp gets a hold of it they can discover who he is, which leads to endangerment of himself and his family. Not stated, but fairly simple to connect the dots.

I just assumed if Oscorp got his blood they could make an army of cross species soldiers or something.
 
Just got back... and I thought it was great!

Things I loved
* Spider-Man
This was by far the best portrayal of Spider-Man we've seen on the big screen. Spidey was quick, clever, the costume was perfect and Andrew Garfield executed everything perfectly on his end.

* Gwen's death
I knew going in that Gwen dies and my heart will still racing that entire scene. This part in particular was incredible and really made the movie for me. I would go as far as to say this scene is an all-time great for comic book movies. Right up there with the Batman/Joker interrogation scene.

* Green Gobin
Wow. I can talk about Dane Dehaan's Goblin for hours. He was great in this role, better than James Franco in every way. I just wish he was in the movie more as Green Goblin. He is probably in it for a grand total of 6 minutes and that includes the scene where he becomes the Goblin. When we see Goblin for the first time, Spider-Man had just defeated Electro, he thinks Gwen is safe, nope. Goblin comes flying in and is just circling them on his glider, laughing. Its that moment where I felt scared for Spider-Man and Gwen, in a way that I never did when Electro is on-screen. Goblin should have been the main villain in this movie. I actually think I enjoyed that portrayal of Green Goblin more than Dafoe's. Can't wait to see him in TASM3.

My only complaints are that it gets a little long in the middle part of the movie. There are a few notable scenes that they could have cut and it would have been better off. And Max Dillon/Electro is the other problem I had with it. Not a great villain. Jamie Foxx was fine in this role, he did what he could with it but the writing for the character was just not very good.

8.5/10
Coming from a die hard Spidey fan, I'll need to watch it again to confirm this, but for me, this was the best Spider-Man film to date.
 
This was a fantastic Spider man film, It was up there with Spider man 2, it's has it's issues but Andrew Garfield is a great Spider man and way better than Tobey Macguire was.

Emma Stone was really good as well and the scene of her dieing was well done.
 
Yeah, Electro added nothing to them films story. If anything, Rhino had a bigger role by getting Peter to suit up again lol. This becomes pretty evident when he becomes nothing more than a pawn via Harry's manipulation.

Electro ultimately feels like he was added because Sony didn't want to market this as another Goblin film for obvious reasons. The filmmakers have said that Gwen's demise was planned from beginning, and was going to happen in this film no matter what. So I guess Goblin was a go, and the accompanying villains were up in the air.

This. It's unfortunate because they've done some good stories with electro, but he really just felt tossed in there to try and cover up the Goblin being the real villain. Even though Goblin is only in it for like 10 minutes, I felt like his lead up and actions had much more depth and three dimensionally than the crappy electro, who only served to be a bad guy trying to do bad things just because he suddenly became bad.

It also sucks because I thought Foxx did a pretty good job as Dillion.
 
I was banned just before I saw the film.

But outside of the film's opening action scene with Spidey - which was very fun indeed, the film was complete garbage.

What I found hilarious is that they found a whole new way for Peter to be a cunt in this film. Harry has a legitimate beef. He tells Peter 'I'm dying, you have a chance at saving my life if you give me some of your blood', to which Peter retorts 'Yeah, but I don't know what could happen if I do. It could make you sick.', to which Harry once again reiterates 'I'm dying you fucking idiot. What does it matter? It's a chance to save my life. Doesn't Spider-Man like to save people?' Then Peter has no way to combat this logic and just pisses off.

Only later does he find out about that special desinty-blood of his.

The opening scene with the parents is so pointlessly stupid and unnecessary.

What I especially loved is the filmmakers trying desperately to make it so that Gwen's death isn't his fault. Her running around screaming beforehand 'This is my own decision to be here! FYI! Just remember that in a few minutes time!' The foreshadowing was obnoxious. They once again did everything they could to paint it as thought Peter wasn't responsible for her death.

And oh god, Jamie Foxx... Jamie Foxx. That Dehaan's Goblin shows up in the last 5 minutes to kill Gwen is indicative of just how forced this film was. They had him and Peter skipping stones together for christ sake. :lol

The whole thing with Peter finding his father's underground subway lab really had me thinking if the writers knew what the hell they were doing. How was any of this necessary? This film was such schlock. And Webb continues his trend of cringeworthy angsty teen soundtracks.

Speaking of soudntracks, Zimmer's score was like some early-90s cheesefest shit. Good lord.

But yeah, when Garfield is in the suit making witty quips, it's pretty neat I guess.
Completely agree. Garbage.
 
He didn't want to give him his blood because it could have killed him now whereas his disease wasn't going to kill him anytime soon. I was expecting Peter/Spider-Man to make a comment about needing to research a cure (and potentially bringing Gwen in to help since that's her area of expertise) rather than just taking some blood and injecting it immediately into Harry. That, at least, would have given his rejection a bit more clarity.
Did he say now? Because I'm pretty sure he didn't say now. And AGAIN, Harry asked for it so that it could be use to produce a cure. It could be a lead in the right direction. A chance. It could be analyzed. I don't remember him saying anything other than that. Certainly not revealing plans of injecting it into himself as soon as he got a hold of it. That only happened when he started getting desperate and feeling the effects of his disease.
There was nothing to suggest Harry wasn't trustworthy for Peter either. They even had scenes deliberately showing how disconnected he is from the bullshit they pull at Oscorp and how much of a longstanding broship he has with Peter. Because fuck knows anybody else in modern day NYC who takes time out to skip stones together. Peter really did just turn down a chance to help Harry save his own life.


Err.. you mean the dirty Spider-Man suit he didn't want her to see that you had just been given the heads up about upstairs in the prior scene and is referenced when she refers to the last time he washed laundry he "turned everything red and blue." Yeah, can't imagine why he didn't want her to do that particular load of laundry.
What makes you think I didn't understand what was happening in the scene? Just because it's an awful, unfunny and perfunctory scene, it doesn't mean I didn't get what was happening.
 
Yeah, that was like two movies sloppily crammed together along with some stuff about his dad that belonged in the first one.

Gwen's death was the only really great part. Definitely heart pounding since I was really 50/50 on whether they were gonna pull the swerve.
 
That thud when Gwen's head hit the ground....damn

And who was Harry talking to in his cell? Pretty sure it was the same guy who confronted Connors in the last movie.

And that kid in the Spider-Man costume trying to confront Rhino...so fucking stupid

Still pretty good movie
 
Better than I thought it would be and better than the first one, not saying much.

Spider-Man was dead on and Peter was actually enjoyable instead of being a terrible person (see: ASM1). Gwen was good fun too and outside of the drivel-y stuff, their chemistry was great once again. Things that were good in the first movie (like Spidey's animation, and Peter/Gwen) were as good or better here.

It doesn't make up for the mess that is the rest of the movie as far as plot goes. Pacing was better but not perfect, and it didn't completely feel like an editing mess. Dane DeHaan was a lot of fun but Electro was just a huge mess. I don't know how to put my problems with this movie, but it just seems like there were a lot of things within it weren't "earned" or justified or logical, if that makes sense. That said, I tend to be a bit harsher with Spider-Man flicks since he's still the objectively best superhero (yes, I've become one of those people I hate).

Overall, it worked best when he was in the suit. But it's telling that the best I can say about a the majority of it is "it's not as bad as it could have been." Went in with looooooow expectations and it went one notch above 'em. Green Lantern it ain't but it's no Captain.

Goblin was better than I thought he'd be, and Electro a fair bit worse (had only average expectations). Dat justified motive (or lack thereof).

I can deal with melodrama and camp -- it's what Spider-Man is built on in many incarnations -- but only when it's earned. Slightly above average/10. Still enjoyable enough for those just wanting to see Spider-Man do cool shit.

Starts strong, Jamie Foxx birthday shit, 2nd act drags, Goblin battle through to end is pretty fun.
 
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