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This is something that AMS nails really well. The swinging is just on a whole different level, far more believable and more exhilirating.
I think what worked was a sparse use of him slinging around on webs the whole time. I'd imagine the finale of him web slinging through tight corridors in 3D was spectacular to watch.

Kraven alone would be super lame imo. Him and Chameleon somehow could work.

I think Kraven could work if he was used much like Scarecrow in Batman Begins.
Osborne could hire him as some mercenary to track down Parker. Norman would somehow need Peter's blood to make sure the lizard serum wouldn't make him go crazy. Then somehow it turns out it's genetically embedded in Peter despite Norman getting peters blood and thinking he'd be safe.

Somehow harry could play into all this, too. Maybe use Harry as a pawn to build a relationship of trust between Peter and Norman.
 
I think Sony's idea is to try and copy Marvel with the director thing, moving away from really inspired auteurs like Raimi to people who will make a slick, competent product.
 
I kinda wish they had paid Elfman to use the main theme of the original trilogy. Would have gone a long way...

The new theme was way better IMO and enough people are already bitching about it being a reboot. Re-using an old theme would be a horrible idea. The whole point is that this is a fresh new take.
 
The new theme was way better IMO and enough people are already bitching about it being a reboot. Re-using an old theme would be a horrible idea. The whole point is that this is a fresh new take.

Regardless of whether they should have used an old theme.... I don't think the new one was better.

The tone of the film was rather melancholy, and for a movie about a wisecracking teenager in a bright red outfit, I wanted a tad more "whimsy" and "fun".
 
The tone of the film was rather melancholy, and for a movie about a wisecracking teenager in a bright red outfit, I wanted a tad more "whimsy" and "fun".

See I thought the new theme was a lot more fun and vibrant than Elfman's. The original theme didn't do a whole lot for me in general so clearly that's where the disagreement lies.

I liked Elfman's scores overall but the theme didn't work for me, just like how I felt about the Avengers theme.
 
I'm pretty sure he said "You're the only one who could make it in time" BEFORE he got shot. Y'know, that probably slowed him down just a bit.
I understand that, but how did the police guy get there in time? The roads were completely blocked off with people abandoning cars
 
See I thought the new theme was a lot more fun and vibrant than Elfman's. The original theme didn't do a whole lot for me in general so clearly that's where the disagreement lies.

I liked Elfman's scores overall but the theme didn't work for me, just like how I felt about the Avengers theme.

I actually agree with you on the theme itself. I think TAS has a better theme than the original Spider-Man movies, but I feel the rest of the first Spider-Man trilogy soundtracks are much better than what I heard in TAS movie.
 
See I thought the new theme was a lot more fun and vibrant than Elfman's. The original theme didn't do a whole lot for me in general so clearly that's where the disagreement lies.

Yes. I thought the original theme was pretty "magical", whether that was in the romance scenes, or in the adventure scenes.

Seems like they were going for some sort of Batman Begins-esque "mature drama" with the tone of the score, when I think the character of Spider-man always calls for something boisterous and occasionally whimsical, not unlike a John Williams or... Danny Elfman.
 
When all you can think of is the Elfman score when hearing certain bits of Horner's, I think that's falling short. It wasn't particularly bad either, just not as good in some elements.
 
In the raimi movies it felt like you were watching either cgi spidey or power ranger spidey, this one didnt have that feel at all, the suit scenes were so much better. I think it helped that a lot of the suit stuff took place at night.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't usually notice movie soundtracks? Or at least remember them, unless they're really really notable
 
Am I the only one who doesn't usually notice movie soundtracks? Or at least remember them, unless they're really really notable
Nah, most people don't. Like, at all. Even when it's obvious, that's not what they're training the sense on. It can still (subconsciously) alter your perception of entire scene, of course.

Most of the impressions i'm encountering that have negative opinions are almost exclusively 'the villain was boring' or 'the origins all over again was too long'. Variations of those two points, basically. Generally though I think most people loved it as a whole and felt more attached by the end than they did with the other movies. That's basically what this franchise has going for it.
 
The worst thing about SM3 is simply that we can't see an awesome venom in a SM movie any time soon. Same thing with sandman, so much wasted on him imo. I hated the whole giant monster bullshit.

This is what bothers me the most. The CGI used on the Sandman and Venom was fantastic, and I loved the animation of the symbiote. The story however did not match the skill achieved by the effects team unfortunately.
 
Nah, most people don't. Like, at all. Even when it's obvious, that's not what they're training the sense on. It can still (subconsciously) alter your perception of entire scene, of course.

Most of the impressions i'm encountering that have negative opinions are almost exclusively 'the villain was boring' or 'the origins all over again was too long'. Variations of those two points, basically. Generally though I think most people loved it as a whole and felt more attached by the end than they did with the other movies. That's basically what this franchise has going for it.

I loved the pacing of the origins. I don't think they needed shortened. If I wanted them shortened I'd just watch Raimi's Spider-man 1. I especially like that we got to know Peter, Uncle Ben, and Aunt May before he gets his powers. Then we see how they react before and after. I'm going to see this movie again soon just because of that.
 
Spidey 3 also has the Sandman birth scene, which is goddamn fucking spectacular. Its fascinating, weird and kind of melancholy (due to the score) all at once.

Agreed! This is one of the few moments in Spider-Man 3 which I enjoyed. I really wish Raimi got to do a sandman only movie. The inclusion of Sandman being the uncle ben killer was stupid though.
 
I loved it. There was a bit of a cheese and some things didn't make sense (two seconds to make a webshooter, Flash's arc etc) but it was fucking Spiderman through and through. Garfield did a great job (i actually LIKED Parker in this movie) and Stone was swoon-worthy. Can't wait for the next one!
 
In the raimi movies it felt like you were watching either cgi spidey or power ranger spidey, this one didnt have that feel at all, the suit scenes were so much better. I think it helped that a lot of the suit stuff took place at night.

I got alot of bad cg spidey vibes in this one too. The whole shininess of the new suit seems to be so that it can try and blend better with the shiny cg shots. The day time spidey shots were particularly bad.
 
Just saw it:

+ Emma Stone was the best part in my opinion, she really fit the material well.
+ Uncle Ben was more interesting this time around, I thought Martin Sheen did a great job.
+ The practical swinging effects looked great, and the CGI wasn't too shabby either.
+ I did like that, in the end,
the bad guy wasn't killed off like in Raimi's films. So they can always bring him back if they want to.

- I was sold on Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man when he was cast, but I didn't love his performance. He was almost irritatingly timid at points.
- I thought
Uncle Ben's death
was handled far better in Raimi's version, it felt incredibly rushed here. Sort of like an admittance that the audience has already seen this before and they just wanted to get it out of the way as quickly as possible. Plus, Garfield's "crying" in that scene felt very forced.
- I'll say it: I think The Lizard is a boring villain. There was almost no tension in any of the fights he had with Spider-Man. I really hope we get Venom/Carnage/Hobgoblin/Green Goblin in the sequel.
- Even though "wise-cracking Spidey" was out in full force, I just didn't feel like the movie had the same fun enthusiasm for the universe as Raimi's films.

I'd say the movie was just fine. I doesn't surpass Spider-Man 2 for me, I'd rank it evenly with the first Raimi film. I have hopes they can kick everything up a notch for the sequel.
 
I did not expect to like it after seeing the trailers, and wishing the original cast and director would continue on, but it was a lot of fun. So my Marvel rankings now.

Spider-Man 2> The Avengers> The Amazing Spider-Man> Iron Man> Hulk > Spider-Man 3> Thor >The Incredible Hulk > Iron Man 2 > Captain America

I like all of them to a degree, but the top 4 I would consider great comic book movies.

I think that is all of the big ones minus the X-Men films which just feel like a much different universe.
 
Just got back from seeing it. I love how agile he is while fighting in this movie and how he uses the webs to enhance that.

Also, hey, summer movies,
can we stop showing your climactic action shot in every god damn trailer and commercial? Thanks.
 
Just got back from seeing it. I love how agile he is while fighting in this movie and how he uses the webs to enhance that.

Also, hey, summer movies,
can we stop showing your climactic action shot in every god damn trailer and commercial? Thanks.

This times a fucking thousand. I hope for the sequel Sony really fights the urge to release the entire damn movie in clip-form in the month leading up to it's release.
 
It was.

Not to say that the series' CG was ever amazing, but in S-M2's train sequence, it was damned good and at the very least, passable.

The glider fight/chase early in S-M3 is the stuff of nightmares. Terrible CG, floaty effects, whole thing looks straight out of a videogame. S-M2 train fight had weight and momentum.

That being said, though, when Harry got knocked out and at the end of the fight and crashed into the dumpster, that shit looked so fucking real, it still blows my mind.
 
Just got back from seeing it. I love how agile he is while fighting in this movie and how he uses the webs to enhance that.

Also, hey, summer movies,
can we stop showing your climactic action shot in every god damn trailer and commercial? Thanks.

I actively avoid trailers on the internet and change the channel when they pop up on TV. So bad.
 
Interesting how the trailers kept talking about secrets revealed and made it seem like there was going to be huge background conspiracy, yet movie reveals nothing.
 
I think this film matches the tone and scope of a Silver-age comic well. In particular, anything and everything set in the school is pitch-perfect for Silver Marvel.
 
Just came back from seeing the movie...

God, I don't think a movie has ever managed to bore me to tears SO quickly. Five minutes in and I was checking my phone.

That, and Andrew Garfield was a god-awful Peter Parker. I just never got the impression that he had a handle on how he was going to play him. One minute he's a super-dweeb and speaking in whispers (which was really annoying from an a viewer's perspective). Next scene he's charming and sexy. Next scene he's a badass dripping in Dane Cook-esque humor. It was like watching 5 different actors play the same character at once.

It really made me appreciate Toby Maquire's Peter Parker. He walked that line of the adorkable, emo badass cohesively. He rarely broke my belief in his character.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Garfield is getting so much praise by some posters. His acting seems to change every other scene. Part of it is that the writing is inconsistent, but a lot of it is coming from him too. He's just... off.

Amir0x nailed it with his crying during Uncle Ben's death as well.
 
Interesting how the trailers kept talking about secrets revealed and made it seem like there was going to be huge background conspiracy, yet movie reveals nothing.

There are rumors going around that a few scenes that explored the conspiracy involving his parents were removed from the theatrical cut.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure why Garfield is getting so much praise by some posters. His acting seems to change every other scene. Part of it is that the writing is inconsistent, but a lot of it is coming from him too. He's just... off.

Amir0x nailed it with his crying during Uncle Ben's death as well.

Everyone felt off in this film, it's the script and the terrible 'naturalistic' style dialogue Webb was going for.
 
There are rumors going around that a few scenes that explored the conspiracy involving his parents were removed from the theatrical cut.

No rumors. The trailers and other promotional materials are chock full of scenes and dialogue that aren't in the movie. There is a link on the last page that shows a bunch of cut stuff.

Didn't the first clip shown at comic con forever ago have Uncle Ben in the kitchen with his murderer or something?
 
Eh. Movie was serviceable, but I don't think any part is really gonna stick with me.

The pacing was kinda weird though. Sometimes it felt rushed, sometimes it felt way too slow. And Lizard looked terrible. Who the hell gave that design the okay?
 
Just saw the movie today as it was the 1st day available in my country. I prepared for the movie by watching the entire previous trilogy on saturday.

Movie was awesome. Charming and the action was electric.

Some of the complains here are just nipticking at most and blown way out of proportion.

-No daytime spidy (Bullshit, masked peter using his powers, school scene + more)
-The Score Sucks (Bullshit, the only time when the score feels overdone is when Gwen is hiding from the lizard in the locker, fucking piano was too loud)
-Fucking coldplay (is like 2 minutes and very subtle in the background)
-Andy Garfield is too hot to be spidy (Bullshit, spidy has always been a good looking guy)
-The Origin stuff again ugh boring shit (I liked the "new" Origin stuff, seems more organic than the forced shit in Raimis movies)
-People are gonna hate this movie and is gonna bomb (lol, in my theater people were clapping at the end, girls were charmed by mister garfield and they even cheered at the ending, this movie is gonna make so much bank)
-Movie is a convoluted mess (So the movie covers multiple aspects in the life of a person, that's a good thing, Peter Parker is a multidimensional character struggling to mantain his life in balance)
Movie looks cheap (Fuck no, the visual tone of the movie is great, the only negative visual thing I found was the Car on fire with the kid)

The Amazing Spiderman is better than any movie from Raimi's trilogy.

Things I didn't liked:

The piano music when Gwen is in Oscorp.
Sally Fields Sucks.
Lizard was only competent could had been executed better.


Great Movie. 7.5/10 Better than any of the group of Marvel souless movies, not as good as any of Nolans Batmans.
 
Maybe it was because the whole scene was allowed to be played out, but the piano at least was better than it seemed in that one promo. Still was out of place, should've used a different instrument.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure why Garfield is getting so much praise by some posters. His acting seems to change every other scene. Part of it is that the writing is inconsistent, but a lot of it is coming from him too. He's just... off.

Amir0x nailed it with his crying during Uncle Ben's death as well.

Amirox didn't nailed shit, have you/Amirox lost your father as a teenager? Has it been your fault? If your answer is no to any of the above than you don't know if its wrong or not. You're just reflecting your opinions about something you know nothing about as if it was a fact.

No one is more over dramatic than doofus face tobey.
 
The only thing I see people really complaining about was how fast the change was made, but it was clear they kind of wanted the change to be encompassed in this film.

Besides, given some of the responses here people would've bitched how "it was left unresolved!!!!" if the character change WASN'T complete. I mean, we're already getting people who can't appear to wrap their heads around the concept of "setting up something for the next movie" (read: breaking the promise with Gwen).

Oh come the fuck on. That was completely misrepresenting the point I was making.

... And I doubt anybody would have really bitched about Flash's incomplete character arc. As is, his character makes even less sense than if they had just left him alone after being humiliated.

Amirox didn't nailed shit, have you/Amirox lost your father as a teenager? Has it been your fault? If your answer is no to any of the above than you don't know if its wrong or not. You're just reflecting your opinions about something you know nothing about as if it was a fact.

No one is more over dramatic than doofus face tobey.

You're right; I haven't experienced something like that. I won't ever become a man with spider powers either, so I'll never be able to judge a fictional movie's acting during fictional situations.
 
Oh come the fuck on. That was completely misrepresenting the point I was making.

Maybe you failed to wrap your head around my complaint.

... And I doubt anybody would have really bitched about Flash's incomplete character arc. As is, his character makes even less sense than if they had just left him alone after being humiliated.
I had no difficulty understanding Flash.
 
You're right; I haven't experienced something like that. I won't ever become a man with spider powers either, so I'll never be able to judge a fictional movie's acting during fictional situations.

Way to go on a tangent. You could say that from your POV it was overdramatic, but claiming that is a fact when you know nothing about what it actually feels like, is just bullshit hyperbolic posturing.

That scene made me remember a dream I had that my father had died, Andy/peters cry were way subtle comparing to what I felt then. Almost a year ago my dad was killed by some thiefs while working in his business.....it actually felt worst.

The point is stop talking so authoritative about things you know nothing about.
 
1) Be a douche to Peter and other people in general.
2) Get humiliated by him.
3) ???
4) Profit!

He's a douchebag, but he's not evil.

Dude he's been picking on for years suddenly loses his father figure, he recognizes the seriousness of the situation and decides he should probably back off for a bit, so he goes to extend an olive branch.
 
Saw it, quite liked it, but im bummed cause it has flaws that are so specific that they could have been easily avoided..

Visually I vastly prefer it over Raimi's flicks, down to the casting even. Everything looks and feels great. The colors are awesome, spiderman's personality is much more spot on. From the get go Garfield is much more physically capable of pulling off a better Spiderman, he just looks better and moves better. Uncles were great, Stacy was great, no complaints there.

The main issue for me, was the AWFUL SCORE. Jesus fucking christ, talk about dull, not memorable and badly placed music score. It was just bad and amazingly bland. Major issue.

The other stuff is mainly pet peeves that are so in the style of "why would they do thaaaaaaaat". Mainly:


- fucking mutated rat. Just show the goddamn cage being broken, no need for that god awful CG abomination.

- In the same vein: the cop's lizard tongue bothered me in the same way. It just has some really unnecesary stuff like that to wich I dont see the point of


Another thing would be
the unexistent payoff to Richard's story. They play heavily on the parents thing yet they never drive it even close to home. The after the credits scene was really boring and short

Also there's some stuff that feels like a carbon copy of Raimi's flicks, wich just felt weird. They could have done stuff differently but they decided to do the same exact thing in many occasions.

So anyway yeah, overall I liked it, the visuals stand out as what I enjoyed the most. There's some bad there that could have been so easily fixed that it's kinda ridiculous.

In the end I think Spiderman 2 is still king.
 
Way to go on a tangent. You could say that from your POV it was overdramatic, but claiming that is a fact when you know nothing about what it actually feels like, is just bullshit hyperbolic posturing.

First of all, you don't really know anything about me and my experiences, so I'm not going to get into that. But I'd refrain from making assumptions.

And the point of the tangent was to illustrate that, if your took your comment to me to its logical extent, you'd never be able to criticize anything that you hadn't experienced yourself. Which is something of a fallacy.

That scene made me remember a dream I had that my father had died, Andy/peters cry were way subtle comparing to what I felt then. Almost a year ago my dad was killed by some thiefs while working in his business.....it actually felt worst.

The point is stop talking so authoritative about things you know nothing about.

It's a forum, I'm giving my opinions. I disagree with people; they disagree back. We hopefully have a conversation. I don't claim to be an authority in anything other than what I like. What is your problem exactly?
 
He's a douchebag, but he's not evil.

Dude he's been picking on for years suddenly loses his father figure, he recognizes the seriousness of the situation and decides he should probably back off for a bit, so he goes to extend an olive branch.

Pretty much. Not like he's going to go up to Peter and give him a wet willy after Ben died. I don't see how it's an issue.
 
Also there's some stuff that feels like a carbon copy of Raimi's flicks, wich just felt weird. They could have done stuff differently but they decided to do the same exact thing in many occasions.

I noticed a number of bizarrely specific parallels between this movie and Raimi's, and I couldn't tell if they were intentional or not. For example:

In both Spidey 1 and ASM, the father of Peter's close friend dies by skewering through the gut. As the father lays there dying, he makes Peter promise something regarding his child.

Both movies end with Peter rejecting his love interest.

Both movies end with the same kind of shot of Spidey swinging around New York.

The last lines of Spidey 1: "Who am I? I'm Spider-Man." As Peter walks into class in the last scene of ASM: "There's only one type of story: Who am I?"

I feel like at least some of these things must have been intentional. Especially that last one.
 
First of all, you don't really know anything about me and my experiences, so I'm not going to get into that. But I'd refrain from making assumptions.

And the point of the tangent was to illustrate that, if your took your comment to me to its logical extent, you'd never be able to criticize anything that you hadn't experienced yourself. Which is something of a fallacy.



It's a forum, I'm giving my opinions. I disagree with people; they disagree back. We hopefully have a conversation. I don't claim to be an authority in anything other than what I like. What is your problem exactly?

Me problem? nah I'm cool.
 
It's really starting to irritate me that people will blatantly say "Oh this movie was a great origin, but Spider-man 2 is still the superior movie". Of course it is. It got all of the origin shit out of the way and could actually focus on something other than connect the dots between origin and the main villain in the movie. Can we hold off on the Spider-man 2 comparisons until TASM 2?
 
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